Jan Sorry, forgot to say Gemin/Gemlin would be more or less how it would sound when spoken in local dialect. Graham > From: jangmc@bigpond.com> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:52:03 +0930> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Gemin/Gemlin, in parish of Foston on the Wolds> > I have some parish references to ancestors (READ), in the early 1700s coming> from the above place. The closest I can get now is Gembling, which is> described as an "odd" village, in the Wold Wide Web site.> > Would this be the same place?> > Thank you> > Jan (another one)> South Australia> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan Check out http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Fostononthewolds/index.html This should answer your question. Graham > From: jangmc@bigpond.com> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:52:03 +0930> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Gemin/Gemlin, in parish of Foston on the Wolds> > I have some parish references to ancestors (READ), in the early 1700s coming> from the above place. The closest I can get now is Gembling, which is> described as an "odd" village, in the Wold Wide Web site.> > Would this be the same place?> > Thank you> > Jan (another one)> South Australia> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trish Thank you for volunteering Trish. Just to make sure I am on the right track, can you check the following please at Cottingham. Deaths Ellen PLAXTON baptised 20 August 1832 died before 7 August 1836 Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:22 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Cottingham BT's Morning everyone, just come in on the end of this and by chance have the Cottingham BT's in at the moment. Film No 919478 Coverage:- Christenings, marriages, and burials, 1598, 1599, 1626, 1628-1641, 1661-1664, 1666-1673, 1675, 1677, 1679, 1685, 1689-1692, 1694-1701, 1706-1738, 1740-1836. Whilst I am happy to double check/confirm anything I can only do this if dates are given - even approx ones. I can even take photos of the film (the print machine isn't working at the moment). ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on the central coast of NSW. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan The marriage of William and Elizabeth can be found at All Saints, Sculcoates. The marriage of George and Ellen is at Holy Trinity, Hull Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:18 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham Hi Lilian, Well this is VERY interesting!! The IGI has George PLAXTON marrying Ellen DOPER. I hadn't been able to find a Doper family anywhere, and I knew when I studied the printout from my visit to Beverley yesterday that there was an 's' in there and had decided even before your email that this was most likely DOSSER or DOSSOR. Apart from Charles, I haven't really taken note of any other siblings of George and hadn't realised that William had married Elizabeth DOSSER, but had I known this I would have assumed that this was Ellen's sister. Do you have access to the Cottingham PRs (or alternatively which parish you managed to find the information)? If so, would it be possible for you to email me with the relevant details, because I think I might need another visit to the archives next week after work!! Yes, I agree that none of us can really have definite proof once you get further than what you actually know as fact, and certainly before 1837 it becomes educated guesswork for most of us to a certain extent. I have several branches which have ground to a halt because of families all naming their children the same names, or finding IGI records of two people with the same name a few miles apart....and with no idea which is the right one, taking a stab in the dark just isn't enough!!! Thank you very much for this, it has opened up a whole new line of research. Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:01:51 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan > > I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for all its worth, this> next information is assumption only. There is a William PLAXTON who married> Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William senior. Elizabeth> had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could be your Ellen DOPER.> (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In other words two> brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females had illeg status as> did their grandmother. I have only the parish records of the various events> to make this assumption but if you can find any further evidence it might> support or discount what I have written.> > Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 200! 8 12:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and> Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I> check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her> listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one> child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3> or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the> case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent.> The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of> so much infant mortality it was probably the norm.> > The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who> have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not> Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and ! as you say both> George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to b e other sons of William> and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time.> Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and> his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to> escape the backlash!!! :-)> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lillian, happy to do that on Thursday and get back to the list - in case someone else in years to come has the same problem. Do you want photos taken for posterity?(vbg) ttfn Trish BTW anyone else getting 2 of every posting?? DORSEY wrote: > Trish > > Thank you for volunteering Trish. Just to make sure I am on the right track, > can you check the following please at Cottingham. > > Deaths > Ellen PLAXTON baptised 20 August 1832 died before 7 August 1836 > > Lillian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trish Michael > Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:22 a.m. > To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Cottingham BT's > > > Morning everyone, just come in on the end of this and by chance have > the Cottingham BT's in at the moment. > > Film No 919478 > > Coverage:- > Christenings, marriages, and burials, 1598, 1599, 1626, 1628-1641, > 1661-1664, 1666-1673, 1675, 1677, 1679, 1685, 1689-1692, 1694-1701, > 1706-1738, 1740-1836. > > > Whilst I am happy to double check/confirm anything I can only do this if > dates are given - even approx ones. I can even take photos of the film > (the print machine isn't working at the moment). > > ttfn > Trish > Ex Hull lass on the central coast of NSW. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Jan I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for all its worth, this next information is assumption only. There is a William PLAXTON who married Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William senior. Elizabeth had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could be your Ellen DOPER. (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In other words two brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females had illeg status as did their grandmother. I have only the parish records of the various events to make this assumption but if you can find any further evidence it might support or discount what I have written. Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 12:18 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham Hi Lilian, Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3 or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent. The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of so much infant mortality it was probably the norm. The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and as you say both George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to be other sons of William and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time. Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to escape the backlash!!! :-) Regards, Jan

Morning everyone, just come in on the end of this and by chance have the Cottingham BT's in at the moment. Film No 919478 Coverage:- Christenings, marriages, and burials, 1598, 1599, 1626, 1628-1641, 1661-1664, 1666-1673, 1675, 1677, 1679, 1685, 1689-1692, 1694-1701, 1706-1738, 1740-1836. Whilst I am happy to double check/confirm anything I can only do this if dates are given - even approx ones. I can even take photos of the film (the print machine isn't working at the moment). ttfn Trish Ex Hull lass on the central coast of NSW.

Hi Lillian I do already have a printout of George and Ellen's marriage at Holy Trinity, and have also found William and Elizabeth's marriage on the IGI now you have pointed out that William married Ellen's mother. The record I was referring to was Ellen's baptism, tying her to Elizabeth DOSSER. From census it seems Ellen DOSSER was born in Cottingham c1810. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:43:36 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan > The marriage of William and Elizabeth can be found at All Saints,> Sculcoates.> > The marriage of George and Ellen is at Holy Trinity, Hull> > Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 11:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Well this is VERY interesting!! The IGI has George PLAXTON marrying Ellen> DOPER. I hadn't been able to find a Doper family anywhere, and I knew when I> studied the printout from my visit to Beverley yesterday that there was an> 's' in there and had decided even before your email that this was most> likely DOSSER or DOSSOR. Apart from Charles, I haven't really taken note of> any other siblings of George and hadn't realised that William had married> Elizabeth DOSSER, but had I known this I would have assumed that this was> Ellen's sister. Do you have access to the Cottingham PRs (or alternatively> which parish you managed to find the information)? If so, would it be> possible for you to email me with the relevant details, because I think I> might need another visit to the archives next week after work!!> > Yes, I agree that none of us can really have definite proof once you get> further than what you actually know as fact, and certainly before 1837 it> becomes educated guesswork for most of us to a certain extent. I have> several branches which have ground to a halt because of families all naming> their children the same names, or finding IGI records of two people with the> same name a few miles apart....and with no idea which is the right one,> taking a stab in the dark just isn't enough!!! > > Thank you very much for this, it has opened up a whole new line of research.> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: > > Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:01:51 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON> Cottingham> > Jan > > I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for> all its worth, this> next information is assumption only. There is a William> PLAXTON who married> Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William> senior. Elizabeth> had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could> be your Ellen DOPER.> (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In> other words two> brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females> had illeg status as> did their grandmother. I have only the parish records> of the various events> to make this assumption but if you can find any> further evidence it might> support or discount what I have written.> >> Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From:> eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com>> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent:> Sunday, 6 April 200!> 8 12:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re:> [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Thanks for this. I> haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and> Ellen in 1832, but I> have thought about it and I think you are right, if I> check the Cottingham> burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her> listed there. I have> often come across this in my research, where when one> child dies, the next> to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3> or 4 children with> the same name born to the same family. This seems the> case even more so> when the child who died was given the name of the parent.> The idea of this> sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of> so much infant> mortality it was probably the norm.> > The more I think about it, and the> more advice I get from those of you who> have replied, the more likely it> seems that Ellen's father was George, not> Charles as stated in the records.> We all make mistakes, and ! as you say both> George and Charles (plus John> and Thomas, likely to b e other sons of William> and Elizabeth) were having> children baptised in Cottingham around that time.> Incidentally I wasn't> serious about an illicit affair between Charles and> his sister-in-law and> the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to> escape the backlash!!!> :-)> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > -------------------------------> To> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap> http://www.bigsnapsearch.com> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Jan Possible scenario for your PLAXTON family. William and Elizabeth married and had their children 1786 thru to 1901 one of which was William b 1792 and another George born 1808 William b 1792 married Elizabeth in 1816 George b 1808 married Ellen/Helen in 1827 Children Fanny 1828 Mary 1830 Ellen 1832 (This Ellen may have died, have you read the burial records for Cottingham) Martha 1834 (died young maybe? Ellen 1836 (Probably Charles as father is an error,it should be George) George 1838 Elizabeth 1840 Charles 1842 Hannah 1848 Charles, (who was the brother of George), married Mary TRAIN in 1819 and both brothers were having children baptised at Cottingham so it is highly likely there was some confusion. Lillian -----Original Message----- From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 7:38 a.m. To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham Hi All, I am trying to unravel a mystery surrounding my husband's GG grandmother Ellen PLAXTON, I have been to the archives at Beverley today to check, and have come back more confused than ever! Ellen's marriage to James MORLEY in 1855 gives her age on the certificate as 19 and her father as George PLAXTON, which points to a birth in 1836. The IGI and the Cottingham microfiche have a baptism for Ellen PLAXTON in 1836, father Charles (!!) mother Ellen, and one in 1832 with a father George and mother Ellen. Ellen's census shows her age matching a birth in 1835/36, and she was buried in Cottingham cemetery in 1900, where the age on her headstone is 65. The IGI has a marriage in 1827 of George PLAXTON and Ellen DOPER (on the microfiche it definitely isn't DOPER, though it is difficult to tell exactly what is does say) and a marriage of Charles PLAXTON and Mary TRAIN (not Ellen!) in 1819. (I think this Charles is the older brother of George). My FTM 2008 software brings up an Ancestry One World Tree match for Charles suggesting he died in Ontario, Canada and I haven't been able to find him on any English census. Ellen is living with George and Ellen in 1851, in 1841 aged 5 she is living with William and Elizabeth KIRMAN.....I haven't even begun to look at their connection with this puzzle yet!! So I have 3 questions. 1. Does anyone have any of these Cottingham PLAXTONS in their tree and can shed any light on any of this? 2. Is it likely the PR could be wrong? 3. Does anyone know where I can find out if and when Charles went to Canada, and who went with him?

Hi Lilian, Well this is VERY interesting!! The IGI has George PLAXTON marrying Ellen DOPER. I hadn't been able to find a Doper family anywhere, and I knew when I studied the printout from my visit to Beverley yesterday that there was an 's' in there and had decided even before your email that this was most likely DOSSER or DOSSOR. Apart from Charles, I haven't really taken note of any other siblings of George and hadn't realised that William had married Elizabeth DOSSER, but had I known this I would have assumed that this was Ellen's sister. Do you have access to the Cottingham PRs (or alternatively which parish you managed to find the information)? If so, would it be possible for you to email me with the relevant details, because I think I might need another visit to the archives next week after work!! Yes, I agree that none of us can really have definite proof once you get further than what you actually know as fact, and certainly before 1837 it becomes educated guesswork for most of us to a certain extent. I have several branches which have ground to a halt because of families all naming their children the same names, or finding IGI records of two people with the same name a few miles apart....and with no idea which is the right one, taking a stab in the dark just isn't enough!!! Thank you very much for this, it has opened up a whole new line of research. Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:01:51 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan > > I am not sure how one can get definite proof but for all its worth, this> next information is assumption only. There is a William PLAXTON who married> Elizabeth DOSSER and I think this could be your William senior. Elizabeth> had a daughter named Helen/Ellen and I think this could be your Ellen DOPER.> (written as long f for double S but looks like P). In other words two> brothers married a mother and daughter. Both the females had illeg status as> did their grandmother. I have only the parish records of the various events> to make this assumption but if you can find any further evidence it might> support or discount what I have written.> > Lillian> > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Sunday, 6 April 2008 12:18 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi Lilian,> > Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and> Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I> check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her> listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one> child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3> or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the> case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent.> The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of> so much infant mortality it was probably the norm.> > The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who> have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not> Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and as you say both> George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to be other sons of William> and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time.> Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and> his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to> escape the backlash!!! :-)> > Regards,> > Jan> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

I was in Beverley archives a few weeks ago and by coincidence I looked up the baptisms for Cottingham. The archives have a file listing these baptisms. The file gave a cross reference to where the details are on micro fiche and this can be taken to the photo copier for printing off printed off a number of baptism copies when I was there. Victor Maria Borrill wrote: > Hi Jan > If the baptism was in Cottingham, you could try getting a photo copy from Beverley Archives. > You *may* find useful information in local papers. This may be of help to you. > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html > > Maria > > > Best Wishes > Maria > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been trying to do that too recently. I have done quite a few in Beverley, and recently when I was in Norwich I didn't get chance to print all I wanted, so I ordered them by email and they did it and sent it to me. Quite a few archives will do this by post. Doncaster is very small though and don't have a printing facility. Jan > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:46:25 +0100> From: victor@markham.me.uk> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] William Benjamin PARSONSON (was PLAXTON Cottingham)> > I was in Beverley archives a few weeks ago and by coincidence I looked > up the baptisms for Cottingham. The archives have a file listing these > baptisms. The file gave a cross reference to where the details are on > micro fiche and this can be taken to the photo copier for printing off > printed off a number of baptism copies when I was there.> > Victor> > Maria Borrill wrote:> > Hi Jan> > If the baptism was in Cottingham, you could try getting a photo copy from Beverley Archives. > > You *may* find useful information in local papers. This may be of help to you.> >> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html> >> > Maria> >> >> > Best Wishes> > Maria> >> > -----------------------------------------> > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email> > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam> >> > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

Hi Gillian, Thank you very much for this. I just re-read what you wrote and had to delete my reply! It was the Charles and Mary who were born in Yorkshire, not George!! Yes, he seems very likely to have been one of the children of the Charles PLAXTON from Cottingham, and Mary Train, not Travis, although I've only got the IGI to go on for this. Either way I think it's the right Charles. It doesn't say that George was born in Yorkshire, only his parents, so from this I'm guessing that George was born in Canada, otherwise it would surely have said that he too was born in Yorkshire. Not proof as such, but if he was born in Canada in...ummm early 1833? that means that Charles couldn't be the father of Ellen. I think the mystery of Ellen's parentage is proving to be a mistake by the person who entered it into the register as others have said, and as I think I already guessed myself. Thanks to all who have been kind enough to look up entries and offered help and advice. :-) Regards, Jan > From: mtamas@telus.net> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 06:42:29 -0700> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Hi Jan,> > > > This PLAXTON was also listed but whether he is the son of your Charles I > don't know. Maybe wife Mary TRAVIS is a mistranscription???.....> > > > Deaths:> > PLAXTON, George, m, September 15, 1908, 75 years 7 months 8 days, Albion Twp > Peel Co, cause - senile decay & entero colitis, s/o Charles Plaxton & Mary > Travis, both born Yorkshire England, infm - Chas. W. Plaxton, Barrie (Simcoe > Co.) 026390-08> > > > I can't help with the immigration record. I've looked at the ancestry stuff > but I can't see anything that fits.> > > > Gill> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Holmes" <tigerjan775@hotmail.com>> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 11:18 PM> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > > Hi Gillian,> >> > Thanks for the information. These baptisms tie in with what I already > > have, and the death of Charles is certainly very interesting. I had no > > idea before I noticed the ancestry connection that Charles had left > > England, and the information you have given me certainly ties in with > > everything I had known previously about him.> >> > A search on the IGI brings up several children of Charles and Mary, the > > latest being John in 1829. I have never had the need to search anywhere > > other than England, but a further search of the IGI for Ontario, Canada > > has a LDS member submitted baptism of a child of Charles PLAXTON and Mary > > TRAIN in Barrie, Ontario in 1837. My trusty genealogical friend Mapquest > > has a distance of 139 miles between Simcoe where Charles died and Barrie > > where his seemingly last child was born. Several thousand miles closer > > than Charles' own birth in Cottingham, so this seems very feasible.> >> > Do you (or does anyone else) know of a database where I could look up the > > voyage of Charles, Mary and the children to Canada? It seems to have been > > in the years between the baptisms of John in 1829 and Mary Ann in 1837. If > > I could prove that it was before 1835 then I would also be certain that > > Ellen was the daughter of George and Ellen and not the product of an > > illicit affair between George's wife and his brother......!!!! My feeling > > is that the vicar or whoever wrote up the notes made a mistake, but I > > would like to prove this.> >> > Regards,> >> > Jan> >> >> >> >> From: mtamas@telus.net> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr > >> 2008 18:38:18 -0700> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > >> >From the IGI after looking at the Canadian death record....> > Charles > >> PLAXTON, Christening: 13 Apr 1795, Cottingham, Yorks.> Father: Wm. > >> PLAXTON> Mother: Elizabeth> Batch: C106642> > George PLAXTON, > >> Christening: 11 Dec, 1808, Cottingham, Yorks.> Father: William PLAXTON> > >> Mother: Elisabeth> Batch: C106642> > Also in the same batch with same > >> parent's names...> Ann PLAXTON, Christened 14 Apr, 1799> Hannah PLAXTON, > >> Christened 3 Apr 1805> Mary PLAXTON, Christened 3 Mar 1790> Thomas > >> PLAXTON, Christened 15 May 1811> Frances PLAXTON, Christened 2 Apr 1797> > >> John PLAXTON, Christened 19 Apr 1802> Elizabeth PLAXTON, Christened 3 Aug > >> 1787> William PLAXTON, Christened 12 Nov 1792> > Cheers,> Gill> > >> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > >> send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubs!> > cribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > _________________________________________________________________> > The next generation of Windows Live is here> > http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Hi Lilian, Thanks for this. I haven't explored the death of Ellen born to George and Ellen in 1832, but I have thought about it and I think you are right, if I check the Cottingham burials before 1836 I'm pretty sure I will find her listed there. I have often come across this in my research, where when one child dies, the next to be born is given the same name, resulting in maybe 3 or 4 children with the same name born to the same family. This seems the case even more so when the child who died was given the name of the parent. The idea of this sounds awful to me in this day and age, but in the days of so much infant mortality it was probably the norm. The more I think about it, and the more advice I get from those of you who have replied, the more likely it seems that Ellen's father was George, not Charles as stated in the records. We all make mistakes, and as you say both George and Charles (plus John and Thomas, likely to be other sons of William and Elizabeth) were having children baptised in Cottingham around that time. Incidentally I wasn't serious about an illicit affair between Charles and his sister-in-law and the unspoken thought of him absconding to Canada to escape the backlash!!! :-) Regards, Jan > From: DORSEY_CHCH@xtra.co.nz> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:40:55 +1200> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Jan> > Possible scenario for your PLAXTON family. > > William and Elizabeth married and had their children 1786 thru to 1901 one> of which was William b 1792 and another George born 1808> > William b 1792 married Elizabeth in 1816> George b 1808 married Ellen/Helen in 1827> Children> Fanny 1828 > Mary 1830> Ellen 1832 (This Ellen may have died, have you read the burial records for> Cottingham)> Martha 1834 (died young maybe?> Ellen 1836 (Probably Charles as father is an error,it should be George)> George 1838> Elizabeth 1840> Charles 1842> Hannah 1848> > Charles, (who was the brother of George), married Mary TRAIN in 1819 and> both brothers were having children baptised at Cottingham so it is highly> likely there was some confusion.> > > Lillian> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:eng-east-yorks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jan Holmes> Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 7:38 a.m.> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > Hi All,> > I am trying to unravel a mystery surrounding my husband's GG grandmother> Ellen PLAXTON, I have been to the archives at Beverley today to check, and> have come back more confused than ever!> > Ellen's marriage to James MORLEY in 1855 gives her age on the certificate as> 19 and her father as George PLAXTON, which points to a birth in 1836. The> IGI and the Cottingham microfiche have a baptism for Ellen PLAXTON in 1836,> father Charles (!!) mother Ellen, and one in 1832 with a father George and> mother Ellen. Ellen's census shows her age matching a birth in 1835/36, and> she was buried in Cottingham cemetery in 1900, where the age on her> headstone is 65. > > The IGI has a marriage in 1827 of George PLAXTON and Ellen DOPER (on the> microfiche it definitely isn't DOPER, though it is difficult to tell exactly> what is does say) and a marriage of Charles PLAXTON and Mary TRAIN (not> Ellen!) in 1819. (I think this Charles is the older brother of George). My> FTM 2008 software brings up an Ancestry One World Tree match for Charles> suggesting he died in Ontario, Canada and I haven't been able to find him on> any English census. Ellen is living with George and Ellen in 1851, in 1841> aged 5 she is living with William and Elizabeth KIRMAN.....I haven't even> begun to look at their connection with this puzzle yet!!> > So I have 3 questions.> 1. Does anyone have any of these Cottingham PLAXTONS in their tree and can> shed any light on any of this? 2. Is it likely the PR could be wrong? 3.> Does anyone know where I can find out if and when Charles went to Canada,> and who went with him?> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Only four!!! my GGG grandmother had six, all though she did claim to have been married for the last two. However 'hubby' was already married and had a rather large family of his own in a town 15 miles away Best Wishes Maria ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hi Jan If the baptism was in Cottingham, you could try getting a photo copy from Beverley Archives. You *may* find useful information in local papers. This may be of help to you. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html Maria Best Wishes Maria ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Hi Maria, Thanks for that, it made interesting reading. Obviously having a child out of wedlock wasn't as frowned upon in those days as I had imagined. And judging by the gaps in my family tree it seems more like the norm than an isolated incident....!!! William's baptism was in Hatfield near Doncaster not Cottingham, and I mentioned it in passing, but I do have others in the Hull area and I'm hoping for more luck when I can get to the Hull archives. Especially my great grandmother who, although eventually married twice, had 4 sons in the workhouse while still single. Regards, Jan > From: maria.borrill@ntlworld.com> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:56:12 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] William Benjamin PARSONSON (was PLAXTON Cottingham)> > Hi Jan> If the baptism was in Cottingham, you could try getting a photo copy from Beverley Archives. > You *may* find useful information in local papers. This may be of help to you.> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardycases.html> > Maria> > > Best Wishes> Maria> > -----------------------------------------> Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email> Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Win 100’s of Virgin Experience days with BigSnapSearch.com http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Consider getting a copy of the Bishops Transcript - that might be easier to read, and may even have different information, just to confuse the issue. Persis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Holmes" <tigerjan775@hotmail.com> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham > Thanks, I'll check Olive Tree, I might be lucky. > > The microfiche record is extremely difficult to read, I printed it out in > black on white and white on black, but I'm pretty sure it does say Charles > and not George (I have it in front of me now). I maybe should have asked > to see the original, but as both the IGI and I myself thought it was > Charles, I didn't think it worth looking. I did wonder if Charles could > have been godfather and they got the names mixed up, but it's likely that > in trying to prove he was out of the country and couldn't be the father, I > will also be proving he could equally not be godfather, as I'm sure that > George had siblings much closer to home who could fill the role!! > > Regards, > > Jan > > > >> From: persisndavid@talktalk.net> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: >> Sat, 5 Apr 2008 09:20:43 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON >> Cottingham> > You are unlikely to find anything about the trip to Canada. >> As an English > colony, there was no need for records such as were kept >> for entry to the > USA. But have a look at Olive Tree Genealogy website - >> they specialise in > Canadian material of that period. Another >> possibility is that they > travelled through the USA to reach Canada. The >> lakes were used as roads, > with regular services along the coasts.> As >> to the names, have you checked the original record to see what is > >> recorded for the entry above? Sometimes the scribe used the same names > >> twice rather than the actual name, having lost his place copying up from >> > notes. I've done it myself when doing a transcription.> Persis> ----- >> Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Holmes" <tigerjan775@hotmail.com>> >> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, April 05! > , 2008 7:18 AM> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > > Hi > Gillian,> >> > Thanks for the information. These baptisms tie in with what > I already > > have, and the death of Charles is certainly very > interesting. I had no > > idea before I noticed the ancestry connection > that Charles had left > > England, and the information you have given me > certainly ties in with > > everything I had known previously about him.> > >> > A search on the IGI brings up several children of Charles and Mary, > the > > latest being John in 1829. I have never had the need to search > anywhere > > other than England, but a further search of the IGI for > Ontario, Canada > > has a LDS member submitted baptism of a child of > Charles PLAXTON and Mary > > TRAIN in Barrie, Ontario in 1837. My trusty > genealogical friend Mapquest > > has a distance of 139 miles between > Simcoe where Charles died and Barrie > > where his seemingly last child > was born. Several thousand miles closer > > than Charles' own! > birth in Cottingham, so this seems very feasible.> >> > Do you (or do > es anyone else) know of a database where I could look up the > > voyage of > Charles, Mary and the children to Canada? It seems to have been > > in the > years between the baptisms of John in 1829 and Mary Ann in 1837. If > > I > could prove that it was before 1835 then I would also be certain that > > > Ellen was the daughter of George and Ellen and not the product of an > > > illicit affair between George's wife and his brother......!!!! My feeling > > > is that the vicar or whoever wrote up the notes made a mistake, but I > > > would like to prove this.> >> > Regards,> >> > Jan> >> >> >> >> From: > mtamas@telus.net> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 4 Apr > >> > 2008 18:38:18 -0700> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > > > >> >From the IGI after looking at the Canadian death record....> > Charles > > >> PLAXTON, Christening: 13 Apr 1795, Cottingham, Yorks.> Father: Wm. > > >> PLAXTON> Mother: Elizabeth> Batch: C106642> > George PLAXTON, > >> > Christening: 11 Dec, 1808, Co! > ttingham, Yorks.> Father: William PLAXTON> > >> Mother: Elisabeth> Batch: > C106642> > Also in the same batch with same > >> parent's names...> Ann > PLAXTON, Christened 14 Apr, 1799> Hannah PLAXTON, > >> Christened 3 Apr > 1805> Mary PLAXTON, Christened 3 Mar 1790> Thomas > >> PLAXTON, Christened > 15 May 1811> Frances PLAXTON, Christened 2 Apr 1797> > >> John PLAXTON, > Christened 19 Apr 1802> Elizabeth PLAXTON, Christened 3 Aug > >> 1787> > William PLAXTON, Christened 12 Nov 1792> > Cheers,> Gill> > >> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > > >> send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubs!> > cribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message> > > _________________________________________________________________> > The > next generation of Windows Live is here> > > http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to > > ENG! > -EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> >> > -- > > No > > virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: > > 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 > > > > 16:14> >> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > > the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > The next generation of Windows Live is here > http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 > 16:14 > >

Not something I even thought about....but I'll definitely look into it. Thanks a lot. Jan > From: persisndavid@talktalk.net> To: eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:03:08 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] PLAXTON Cottingham> > Consider getting a copy of the Bishops Transcript - that might be easier to > read, and may even have different information, just to confuse the issue.> Persis> _________________________________________________________________ Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap http://www.bigsnapsearch.com

Hi Jan I have just dropped in on the end of this thread, you wrote <quote> ....but the IGI baptism gives his father as Benjamin. Instead of William Benjamin son of Sarah Jane <quote> Not sure from your message, If you had checked the original baptism record rather that the IGI? If only the later could it by a translation error and William's second name having been mistook for his father, just a thought Maria Best Wishes Maria ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam