-----Original Message----- William Gray Head Frances (?) ?? Gray Wife Marjorie (?) ?? Gray Daughter (?) ?? ?? Sister Living on her means Dorothy (?) ?? Taylor Sister Emma Jane ?? Servant Domestic Servant Ellen Longstaff Servant General Servant =================== I read them as: William Gray Frances Hope Gray Marjorie Hope Gray Florence Winfd (abbreviation for Winifred) Gray Dorothy Alice Taylor Any use? Mary Pendlebury Oldham

Patricia L wrote: > > Good Evening , > > Thank you very much for all the help with North Cave. > > Unfortunately I have hit yet another brick wall. > > I wonder if any one might have an idea of how I might trace who was the > > Head of Household of *Drewton Manor in 1897?* > > It has been suggested that he might have been the Mayor ..but that might be > > family folk lore. > > Pat In 1901 just four years later:- Walter George REDFERN , 44 grain, seed, ? merchant b. Hull Edith REDFERN 40 wife b. Hull Dorothy REDFERN 15 dau. b. Hessle Marjory REDFERN 12 dau. b.Elloughton John Guilford REDFERN 10 son b.Elloughton Irene Cassandra Elizabeth von NEWMANN 22 visitor b Mitaw, Russia ( I can't read the last column) and 3 house servants Barbara

Good Evening , Thank you very much for all the help with North Cave. Unfortunately I have hit yet another brick wall. I wonder if any one might have an idea of how I might trace who was the Head of Household of Drewton Manor in 1897? It has been suggested that he might have been the Mayor ..but that might be family folk lore. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Coulson" <dcoulson@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] North Cave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> > North Cave > > >> In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at >> Drewton >> Manor in 1897 >> and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. >> Any help will most appreciated. >> Pat > > > Hi Pat, > > The image looks like it was written with a "quill", the writing is so > black > and thick! > > I think it reads as follows:- > Drewton Manor. > > William Gray Head > Frances (?) ?? Gray Wife > Marjorie (?) ?? Gray Daughter > (?) ?? ?? Sister Living on her means > Dorothy (?) ?? Taylor Sister > Emma Jane ?? Servant Domestic Servant > Ellen Longstaff Servant General Servant > > Sorry I can't be more specific. Hope this helps. > > Regards, > > Don. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1526 - Release Date: 30/06/2008 8:43 AM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> North Cave > In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at > Drewton > Manor in 1897 > and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. > Any help will most appreciated. > Pat Hi Pat, The image looks like it was written with a "quill", the writing is so black and thick! I think it reads as follows:- Drewton Manor. William Gray Head Frances (?) ?? Gray Wife Marjorie (?) ?? Gray Daughter (?) ?? ?? Sister Living on her means Dorothy (?) ?? Taylor Sister Emma Jane ?? Servant Domestic Servant Ellen Longstaff Servant General Servant Sorry I can't be more specific. Hope this helps. Regards, Don.

If you put Drewton in the town box in the residence section --- you will get only 52 hits--- not to many to wade through. William Gray was the head of household. Cheers Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] North Cave > Good Morning, > I have just joined this list,hoping that some one might be able to help > me. > Is there away of researching North Cave,just the village, in the 1891 > census? > In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at > Drewton > Manor in 1897 > and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. > Any help will most appreciated. > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If you have access to an Ancestry subscription, put the name of the village only in the residence part of the query form for the 1891 census. Leave everything else blank. Up will come an alphabetical list of the residents by name. By clicking on the Image button (right end of line) you get to see the actual household in the script of the census. Once you have an image, you can navigate through the entire village by clicking on the Previous/Next arrows to be found at the top of the page ( under the tool bar). Otherwise, read through the whole list until you find a name you recognise. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] North Cave > Good Morning, > I have just joined this list,hoping that some one might be able to help > me. > Is there away of researching North Cave,just the village, in the 1891 > census? > In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at > Drewton > Manor in 1897 > and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. > Any help will most appreciated. > Pat > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 6/29/2008 3:09 PM

Hi, I am looking for any information on the following: Edmund SHORT who died in Hull in 11 Jun 1819. I would particularly like to find his burial. He had 2 daughters: Mary who married William PINCHER - marriage/children or burial welcome Elizabeth who married John HICK(S) - marriage/children or burial welcome. I have the children baptised at Holy Trinity between 1792 and 1812. One of them also had a daughter Mary who married ? ROSS before 1819 as she is mentioned in Edmund's will. Any information gratefully received. Thanks Judith Victoria, Australia

Thank you so much for this. Yes I do subscribe to Ancestry so will do as you suggests Thank you again. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] North Cave > If you have access to an Ancestry subscription, put the name of the > village > only in the residence part of the query form for the 1891 census. Leave > everything else blank. Up will come an alphabetical list of the residents > by name. By clicking on the Image button (right end of line) you get to > see > the actual household in the script of the census. Once you have an image, > you can navigate through the entire village by clicking on the > Previous/Next > arrows to be found at the top of the page ( under the tool bar). > Otherwise, > read through the whole list until you find a name you recognise. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia L" <polly2@shaw.ca> > To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:09 PM > Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] North Cave > > >> Good Morning, >> I have just joined this list,hoping that some one might be able to help >> me. >> Is there away of researching North Cave,just the village, in the 1891 >> census? >> In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at >> Drewton >> Manor in 1897 >> and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. >> Any help will most appreciated. >> Pat >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 6/29/2008 > 3:09 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1524 - Release Date: 28/06/2008 7:42 PM

Good Morning, I have just joined this list,hoping that some one might be able to help me. Is there away of researching North Cave,just the village, in the 1891 census? In particular who lived at Drewton Manor.We had relatives living at Drewton Manor in 1897 and I am hoping that the 1891 census might confirm this information. Any help will most appreciated. Pat

Dear Listers. I have extracted from The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Hull, England, most references in articles to Lusby surnames in East Riding of Yorkshire or nearby in Lincolnshire. Best wishes Mark Lusby www.lusbyfamilyhistory.com Friday, January 8, 1886; Issue 5281 Inquest in Louth on Tuesday into the sudden death on Sunday of Thomas LUSBY, cattle dealer. Mrs Richardson of Selby, Daughter. Friday, August 14, 1885; Issue 5262. George LUSBY, horse dealer, Wootton finded for allowing horses to stray. Friday, February 6, 1885; Issue 5235 John Lusby, Foreman at Messrs Tealby and Company, Timber Merchants, Clarence St, Drypool gave evidence in trial. Friday, December 19, 1884; Issue 5228 Mr Lusby of 9 Springbank has an extensive variety of Christmas and New Years cards etc. Friday, September 19, 1884; Issue 5215. Brigg Petty Sessions, George Lusby of Ashby, horse dealer fined for obstructing highway with a wagon. Friday, September 12, 1884; Issue 5214 Hull Police Court on Monday, Martin LUSBY landlord of the Engineers' Arms, Waterhouse Lane was summonsed for selling liquor during prohibited hours. Friday, August 8, 1884; Issue 5209 Brigg Petty Sessions, George LUSBY, Horse dealer of Broughton, was summonsed for allowing a horse to stray. Friday, July 18, 1884; Issue 5206 Hull Police Court Wednesday, Martin LUSBY, landlord of the Engineers' Arms, Waterhouse Lane was charged on remand for assaulting his wife. Friday, July 11, 1884; Issue 5205. Mrs Lusby asks for charges to be withdrawn. Suffering from alcoholic poisoning. Friday, July 4, 1884; Issue 5204. Shameful treatment of a wife. Mrs Lusby asks for separation order. Friday, March 14, 1884; Issue 5188 Barton Police Court, John Lusby of Immingham, waggoner, fined for riding without reins. Friday, February 8, 1884; Issue 5183 Mr H LUSBY of 9 Springbank is showing a novelty which is going to be very popular. Friday, May 20, 1881; Issue 5040 Breach of Licenceing Act in Hull. Parents of Mrs LUSBY  Landlady of the Engineers' Arms beerhouse, Mr and Mrs BRADLEY. Friday, March 25, 1881; Issue 5031 Hull Police Court More Juvenile Offenders. Richard LUSBY and John LUSBY boys were charged with stealing rope and scrap metal from a condemned schooner in the Old Harbour. Friday, September 17, 1880; Issue 5005 Transfer Sessions: No 87 West Street from Martin LUSBY to John Warran, beer on etc. Friday, August 13, 1880; Issue 5000 Market Rasen Police Court August 2nd: George Lusby, of Ashby near Brigg, gypsy, was summonsed for allowing three horses to stray on the highway. Friday, July 30, 1880; Issue 4998 Sudden death of fisherman: George LUSBY, extra hand on fishing smack, Thorneback, died on 20th inst and was conveyed to house of brother on Waterhouse Lane. Friday, June 11, 1880; Issue 4990 Hull Transfer Sessions: Sarah A BOOTH to Martin LUSBY Engineers' Arms 25 Waterhouse Lane Friday, September 26, 1879; Issue 4910 Winterton Petty Sessions: John Lusby of Ashby summonsed for using a carriage without his name thereon Friday, March 14, 1879; Issue 4882 YESTERDAY'S HULL POLICE William Lusby, boy, discharged, accused of stealing rope. Friday, December 20, 1878; Issue 4870 Mary A BERRIMAN housekeeper to John LUSBY, 69 Leonard Street, Beverly Road, Hull Friday, April 26, 1878; Issue 4836 HULL POLICE COURT Margaret LUSBY wife of landlord of Rising Sun West Street Hull Friday, February 1, 1878; Issue 4824 HULL POLICE COURT Henry LUSBY, dockgate keeper, charged with being drunk and disorderly. Friday, January 26, 1877; Issue 4770 Marriages Richard TWIDLE to Elizabeth LUSBY both of Barton in the Barton Primitive Methodist Church on January 11th. Friday, June 16, 1876; Issue 4738 HULL POLICE COURT School Board Prosecutions: William Lusby, Labourer, Gardner's Place, Great Thornton Place Friday, January 8, 1875; Issue 4692 Local Intelligence Fourth East Yorks Artillery Vollunteers: Corporal J LUSBY Friday, November 13, 1874; Issue 4684 Deaths Edward C LUSBY, late of Hull, accidentally shot on board his vessel, Glance, in the  SW  India Docks, London on 6th Nov. Buried London 9th Nov. Friday, May 1, 1874; Issue 4659 Local Intelligence Hull Transfer Sessions: The Jolly Sailor, Grimsby Lane from Robert HUBBARD to Martin LUSBY. Friday, April 10, 1874; Issue 4656. Marriages Richard LUSBY to Ann, daughter of James Donaldson, on Apr 7th at All Saints Parish Church Sculcoates. Friday, March 25, 1870; Issue 4443 CHARGE OF MANSLAUGHTER Witness: Samuel LUSBY, shipwright, 36 High Street, Hull, in the employ of  Messrs. C& W Earle, Iron Shipbuilders, Hull Friday, April 16, 1869; Issue 4394 HULL BANKRUPTCY COURT-WEDNESDAY John LUSBY, ships chandler, Hull, last examination and discharge. Friday, March 12, 1869; Issue 4389 HULL BANKRUPTCY COURT-WEDNESDAY John LUSBY, jun, ship chandler, Grimsby Friday, December 11, 1868; Issue 4376 Deaths Francis Henry, aged 2, son of John LUSBY, 54 Walmsley Street, Hull on Nov 30th April 10, 1868; Issue 4341 HULL BOROUGH SESSIONS-FRIDAY John LUSBY, age 24,  with previous conviction, sentenced to 18 months imprisonment for stealing a purse in the Earl de Grey public house on Waterhouse Lane. January 10, 1868; Issue 4329 DISTRICT INTELLIGENCE Grimsby: Two girls were charged with stealing shirts the property of John LUSBY, Albert Terrace. Friday, November 29, 1867; Issue 4323. HULL POLICE COURT George LUSBY, for assaulting SJ ANSON, at his house on Trundle Street was sent to prison for 14 days. Friday, October 4, 1867; Issue 4315. HULL POLICE COURT John LUSBY for assaulting John JOHNSON in Waterworks Street was sentenced to six weeks. Friday, August 2, 1867; Issue 4306 HULL POLICE COURT John LUSBY sentenced to prison for 14 days for assaulting John TODD, labourer in Marfleet Street. Friday, April 27, 1866; Issue 4240. HULL POLICE COURT George LUSBY was charged with stealing a watch from a man in Grimsby. Was discharged but was taken into custody by a Lincolnshire sergeant for charges there.  Friday, September 1, 1865; Issue 4206. Deaths Isabel Frances, aged 3 years, daughter of Mr LUSBY, Walmsley Street, Hull, on  August 24th Friday, June 2, 1865; Issue 4193 Marriages John LUSBY, jun., master mariner of Hull to  Annie E BAXTER of South Scarle on May 24th at Holy Trinity Church Hull Friday, May 26, 1865; Issue 4192 Deaths Elizabeth, aged 29, second daughter of the late William LUSBY, mast and block maker, on May 18th Friday, April 14, 1865; Issue 4186 HULL BOROUGH SESSIONS Saturday. John LUSBY aged 20 was sentenced to three months hard labour  for shop breaking. Friday, August 7, 1863; Issue 4098 Marriages Mr Thomas LUSBY to Miss Dinah Kirman both of Louth on July 28 at Grimsby Friday, April 24, 1863; Issue 4083 HULL POLICE COURT George LUSBY sentenced for assaulting police who had taken a prositute, Elizabeth Outhwaite, into custody. Friday, October 17, 1862; Issue 4056 Marriages Mr John Woodward BRYAN farmer Ludborough  to Maria Annie, eldest daughter of Mr John LUSBY of Grimsby, at  St Martin's Parish Church Grimsby on Oct 14th Friday May 10 1861 Deaths Mary, 65, wife of Thomas LUSBY, officiated for upwards of 25 years as clerk at the parish services, died at Cuxwold lately. Friday, February 22, 1861; Issue 3971 Deaths Richard LUSBY, 56, mariner and for 19 years storekeeper for the Hull Dock Company, at Hull on February 12th Friday, May 4, 1860; Issue 3929 Marriages Francis Peacock Ray, bricklayer,  to Mary, daughter of William LUSBY, mast and blockmaker, at Sculcoates, Church Hull on April 29th Friday, September 23, 1859; Issue 3898 Marriages Edward C LUSBY, Master Mariner of Hull to Priscilla, youngest daughter of Mr William Pearce of St Hellier Jersey, at St Saviour's Church Jersey on Sept 9th Friday, September 11, 1857; Issue 3792 Marriages Albert LUSBY to Maria CHESTER both of Grimsby in Holy Trinity Church Hull on Aug 29th Friday, August 22, 1856; Issue 3737 HULL POLICE COURT John Lusby, Boilermaker, at Messrs Fowler and McCollins, charged with being disorderly apprentices, being absent from work and absconding to Northamptonshire. Friday, September 22, 1854; Issue 3638 HULL POLICE COURT John LUSBY was charged with making a nuisance by keeping four pigs on his Providence Street premises. Friday, September 8, 1854; Issue 3636 DISTRICT INTELLIGENCE Barton Petty Sessions : George LUSBY and William LUSBY (son), labourers, charged with the manslaughter of William Gilliatt at the Six Bells Barton on Humber. Friday, August 5, 1853; Issue 3579 ELECTION COMMISSION William LUSBY, mast and blockmaker, Jenning Street, Groves, a freeman in 1852 got £1. Friday, June 10, 1853; Issue 3571 Marriages At 4th June at Barrow, Mr William LUSBY to Miss Eliza NOTTINGHAM Friday, April 29, 1853; Issue 3565 LOCAL INTELLIGENCE Alleged Embezzlement in Grimsby: John Morrison LUSBY, cashier, to Mr John Sloman, broker and shipping agent at Hull and Grimsby was a witness. Friday, January 2, 1852; Issue 3496 Deaths December 25th aged 7  years and 8 months, Ann Elizabeth, youngest daughter of the late Edward LUSBY, Marvell St Drypool Friday, May 24, 1850; Issue 3412. Advertisements & Notices To be sold by auction: dwellinghouses in St Mark's Sq, Edgar Street now in the occupation of John LUSBY, Joseph HARPER and Ruth AKERS. Friday, March 8, 1850; Issue 3401 DISTRICT INTELLIGENCE Barton Police Court: Two young men, Charles LUSBY charged with setting snares. Friday, January 11, 1850; Issue 3393 Deaths, January 1st, John the infant son of Mr H Rosindale, Hall Street Deaths January 8th, William youngest son of Mr John LUSBY, sloopmaster, East Street, Drypool, aged 13 months Friday, January 12, 1849; Issue 3342 Deaths Jan 10th aged 7 years, TM LUSBY son of Mrs LUSBY Marvell Street Drypool Friday, April 26, 1844; Issue 3097 Deaths April 24th in London after many years' severe affliction, Sarah wife of James Turpin, and sister of the late Mr Edward Lusby, Shipwright, whose death we lately recorded. Friday, February 23, 1844; Issue 3088. Deaths February 19th aged 11 months, Ann Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Mr Edward LUSBY, whose death we announced last week. Friday, February 16, 1844; Issue 3087 Deaths February 10 in Marvel Street Drypool aged 40 years Mr Edward LUSBY, shipwright Friday, September 16, 1842; Issue 3013. Deaths On Saturday 10th inst. In her 17th year, Ann Elizabeth the eldest daughter of Mr Edward LUSBY of Marvel Street, Drypool. Friday, July 9, 1841; Issue 2951 Deaths On Monday 5th inst, aged 68 Mrs Jane LUSBY, of Hull. Friday, August 11, 1837; Issue 2749. Marriages On Friday last at the Holy Trinity Church, Mr Edward LUSBY to Miss Eliza STROMBERG, both of this place. Friday, August 30, 1833; Issue 2545 Advertisements & Notices Mary's Square, Lower Union Street, Myton, Hull, in the occupation of John LUSBY Tuesday, January 19, 1830; Issue 2357 Advertisements & Notices Duncan Street, Sutton,  in the occupation of William LUSBY

Whatever others have said about IGI I would say it is a good starting point in your searches. Once you have the details from IGI you do know where to look for in the Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts. Just remember that these generally give baptism dates and not birth dates. Baptism can be carried out any time soon after birth or years later I do tend to ignore any information on IGI that are described as patron submissions as these are what are letting the IGI site down. I understand that the IGI is 90% accurate. If that is correct then it is a good start. Only trouble is those names you find may be in that 10% inaccuracy which is why PR and BT are needed to be checked out. Victor Kim wrote: > I am quite interested in this topic also. I realize the limitations of the > IGI. > The challenge does come when one researches back beyond the time of the > census, which is of course another tool. Not all that info is exact either. > I am currently relying mostly on parish records in the 1700's to the early > 1800's, with the occasional will. > What other sources are available to get the three pieces of information? > Thanks so very much, > Kim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > > > >> No. Definitely not. The IGI is not complete; too many possibilities ( >> and >> right connections) are omitted to rely on only this source. You must >> check >> the parish registers of the relevant parish and others round about. And >> check for other materials of the parish which could give clarifying >> detail. >> There were three Lawrence DALEs born between 1769 and 1780, They are >> cousins of varying degrees. Not all of them appear on the IGI and many >> people have put the wrong one into their tree and then posted it on the >> internet. You need to seek three pieces of information that corroborate >> your assumption; you might not find them, but you should look. >> >> Persis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andy Leach" <andyjleach@hotmail.com> >> To: <eng-east-yorks-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:03 PM >> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? >> >> >> >>> It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can cross-check >>> them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. >>> However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain >>> that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which >>> match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume >>> I've >>> found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for >>> fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> All new Live Search at Live.com >>> >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 >> 7:52 AM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Depending on the social position of the family and the actual surviving records, you can find information in poor law records such as overseers accounts, poor rates, bastardy bonds, settlement certificates, removal orders; also land tax assessments, manorial records ( particularly leases), surveys of estates, and others. Look beyond the registers of baptisms, marriages and burials for any scraps of information pertaining to the family of interest. If the marriage was by licence, seek marriage licence bonds and allegations. Some of these sources need care to get the best from them, but any are worth pursuing. Persis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim" <kimquilts@shaw.ca> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? >I am quite interested in this topic also. I realize the limitations of the > IGI. > The challenge does come when one researches back beyond the time of the > census, which is of course another tool. Not all that info is exact > either. > I am currently relying mostly on parish records in the 1700's to the early > 1800's, with the occasional will. > What other sources are available to get the three pieces of information? > Thanks so very much, > Kim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> > To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > > >> No. Definitely not. The IGI is not complete; too many possibilities ( >> and >> right connections) are omitted to rely on only this source. You must >> check >> the parish registers of the relevant parish and others round about. And >> check for other materials of the parish which could give clarifying >> detail. >> There were three Lawrence DALEs born between 1769 and 1780, They are >> cousins of varying degrees. Not all of them appear on the IGI and many >> people have put the wrong one into their tree and then posted it on the >> internet. You need to seek three pieces of information that corroborate >> your assumption; you might not find them, but you should look. >> >> Persis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andy Leach" <andyjleach@hotmail.com> >> To: <eng-east-yorks-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:03 PM >> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? >> >> >>> >>> It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can >>> cross-check >>> them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. >>> However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain >>> that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which >>> match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume >>> I've >>> found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for >>> fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> All new Live Search at Live.com >>> >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 >> 7:52 AM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 6/23/2008 7:16 PM

This is great information. Thanks so much. I'll show my ignorance by asking where to find these records. It sounds like you have way more experience than I do. Thanks for sharing. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > Depending on the social position of the family and the actual surviving > records, you can find information in poor law records such as overseers > accounts, poor rates, bastardy bonds, settlement certificates, removal > orders; also land tax assessments, manorial records ( particularly > leases), > surveys of estates, and others. Look beyond the registers of baptisms, > marriages and burials for any scraps of information pertaining to the > family > of interest. If the marriage was by licence, seek marriage licence bonds > and > allegations. Some of these sources need care to get the best from them, > but > any are worth pursuing. > Persis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim" <kimquilts@shaw.ca> > To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > > >>I am quite interested in this topic also. I realize the limitations of the >> IGI. >> The challenge does come when one researches back beyond the time of the >> census, which is of course another tool. Not all that info is exact >> either. >> I am currently relying mostly on parish records in the 1700's to the >> early >> 1800's, with the occasional will. >> What other sources are available to get the three pieces of information? >> Thanks so very much, >> Kim >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> >> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? >> >> >>> No. Definitely not. The IGI is not complete; too many possibilities ( >>> and >>> right connections) are omitted to rely on only this source. You must >>> check >>> the parish registers of the relevant parish and others round about. And >>> check for other materials of the parish which could give clarifying >>> detail. >>> There were three Lawrence DALEs born between 1769 and 1780, They are >>> cousins of varying degrees. Not all of them appear on the IGI and many >>> people have put the wrong one into their tree and then posted it on the >>> internet. You need to seek three pieces of information that corroborate >>> your assumption; you might not find them, but you should look. >>> >>> Persis >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Andy Leach" <andyjleach@hotmail.com> >>> To: <eng-east-yorks-l@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:03 PM >>> Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can >>>> cross-check >>>> them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. >>>> However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain >>>> that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which >>>> match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume >>>> I've >>>> found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for >>>> fear of it just being a coincidence. 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I am quite interested in this topic also. I realize the limitations of the IGI. The challenge does come when one researches back beyond the time of the census, which is of course another tool. Not all that info is exact either. I am currently relying mostly on parish records in the 1700's to the early 1800's, with the occasional will. What other sources are available to get the three pieces of information? Thanks so very much, Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Persis Wiltshire" <persisndavid@talktalk.net> To: <eng-east-yorks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > No. Definitely not. The IGI is not complete; too many possibilities ( > and > right connections) are omitted to rely on only this source. You must > check > the parish registers of the relevant parish and others round about. And > check for other materials of the parish which could give clarifying > detail. > There were three Lawrence DALEs born between 1769 and 1780, They are > cousins of varying degrees. Not all of them appear on the IGI and many > people have put the wrong one into their tree and then posted it on the > internet. You need to seek three pieces of information that corroborate > your assumption; you might not find them, but you should look. > > Persis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Leach" <andyjleach@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-east-yorks-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:03 PM > Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > > >> >> It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can cross-check >> them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. >> However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain >> that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which >> match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume >> I've >> found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for >> fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> All new Live Search at Live.com >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 > 7:52 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No. Definitely not. The IGI is not complete; too many possibilities ( and right connections) are omitted to rely on only this source. You must check the parish registers of the relevant parish and others round about. And check for other materials of the parish which could give clarifying detail. There were three Lawrence DALEs born between 1769 and 1780, They are cousins of varying degrees. Not all of them appear on the IGI and many people have put the wrong one into their tree and then posted it on the internet. You need to seek three pieces of information that corroborate your assumption; you might not find them, but you should look. Persis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Leach" <andyjleach@hotmail.com> To: <eng-east-yorks-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] How Do I Prove I've Got The Correct Person? > > It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can cross-check > them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. > However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain > that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which > match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume I've > found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for > fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks. > _________________________________________________________________ > > All new Live Search at Live.com > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM

I have just one Stephenson born in Market Weighton. This is James Stephenson b. 3 July 1887 died at North Cave 11 Nov 1965 He married Edith Adamson in 1914 Victor Will Stevenson wrote: > Anyone researching this family ?? > Will Stevenson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-EAST-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can cross-check them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume I've found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/

Anyone researching this family ?? Will Stevenson

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Andy, Do not rely on the IGI as there may be transcription errors. Try to check both the parish register and the bishop's transcripts if they are available. They are not always the same and there may be more information in them. Perhaps there is more than one person baptised with the same name in the same or neighbouring parishes about the same time. Not unusual with with common names.. Check out probate records to see whether there are any family wills that will point to the correct relationships. Also see Roy Stockdill's article http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html as there are many more sources. Frank Andy Leach wrote: > It's easy when the person is listed in the census, as you can cross-check them against age, place of birth, other members of the family, etc. However, when you go back to pre-census times, how do you make certain that you've found the correct person? I can find entries in IGI which match the name, age and place of birth - is this sufficient to assume I've found the correct person? I'm reluctant to jump to this conclusion for fear of it just being a coincidence. Thanks.