This post may be a little long, but I hope it is of interest. Hilary Town Hall, Hull August 30, 1878 Right Honourable Sir Permit me to call your attention to the mode which appears to be adopted at this port by some owners of fishing smacks for obtaining apprentices, and which, if I am correctly informed, is sanctioned by "Act of Parliament" and the "Board of Trade." I can perhaps best bring the system under your notice by stating a case that I have become acquainted with during the last week. A woman named Ann DAWSON, whose husband left her 10 years ago with a family of four children, which, with a little parochial assistance and very hard work, she has been able to maintain. Her younger son, now 14 years of age, got acquainted with some fisher boys, and by them was introduced to the owner of a smack, named BEEDHAM, living in Hull, who, without the knowledge or consent of his mother, took him to the Shipping Office, and had him bound apprentice for five years. It is not known that the lad had ever before been on board a fishing smack, or had any knowledge of the duties. After the first voyage he was tired of the sea, and wanted to be liberated, but his new master and mistress went with a policeman to his mother's house, and the poor boy was again taken on board and sent to sea. I have seen Mr. CORLASS, the "superintendent of the Shipping Office" who states, "the transaction is a perfectly legal one, the boy could and did bind himself. Sometimes he (Mr CORLASS) inquires of boys if they have the consent of their parents, but this is not at all necessary." This mode of procedure certainly goes far to solve the problem why so many fisherman's apprentices are nearly half their time in prison. I consider it no better than a system of kidnapping, which must end disastrously to the boy. As chairman of the "Sculcoates Board of Guardians" I frequently sign indentures for boys to go to sea, but never until they have made one or two voyages, and within this last year we have passed a resolution "that a boy shall not be bound to sea before he has had three month's trial;" the result of this care on the part of the guardians is that our union boys rarely, if ever, appear before the magistrates for misconduct. The system that I have described is so utterly bad, and in every way un-English, that I have ventured to call your attention to it. I cannot believe that the Board of Trade would legalise English boys being thus entrapped. I should be glad if you would order the indentures in this case to be cancelled, if after inquiry you find my statements are substantiated. I would further most respectfully suggest for the consideration of your honourable bord that in future the consent of the parent or guardian of the boy be obtained, and become a party to the indenture; if this cannot be done, that under no circumstances should a boy be bound until he has made one or two voyages to sea. The case in question is creating a sensation in the neighbourhood. Very few people even in this shipping town had any idea that such a mode of securing apprentices was possible in this country. As the chief magistrate, I have thought it my duty to lay these facts before you. I have, &c. (Signed) Robert WALLER, Mayor To the Right Hon. Sir C. B. Addreley, M.P., K.C.M.G., President of the Board of Trade Whitehall, London, S. W.

In a message dated 9/25/2002 5:26:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, donald.hudson@ntlworld.com writes: > Our navy must have been the best dressed in the world considering the number > tailors who would appear to have gone to sea. > Mightn't these have been sail sewers? Or those who made uniforms? Or am I being silly? Kathryne

The following is a list of names transcribed from 1901 census pages that I have downloaded. Please contact me off list if you would like further details. Regards, David Eves, Adelaide, South Australia Burton Latimer, Northamptonshire * RG13/1446/89/55 PERKINS, EAVES, KNIGHT, EADY, CLOWES, MILLER, SMITH Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire * RG13/3089/14/19 HARRIS, WILSON, RAMSHAW, SMITH, MYERS, BONNER, FOGARTY, WILSON, REVELL, MADDISON, FENWICK, THOMPSON, RANNARD, EVES * RG13/3089/32/16 HOLMES, WOODHOUSE, CLOSE, GREEN, SLATTER, HARRISON, BALDING, EVES, LAWRENCE, ROBINSON, WHARTON, PORTESS * RG13/3089/143/17 ATKINSON, GREEN, GREEN, DRUREY, EVES, GOOD, SCOFFIN, WHITWORTH, WILKINSON, MOORE * RG13/3092/164/35 CHARLTON, WALLIS, SMITH, NIGHTINGALE, KEAY, EVES, HIRST, KENDALL * RG13/3092/183/18 PARKIN, PEACOOKE, MOSS, CHAPMAN, PICKETT, FINCH, CURRY, CRANE, METCALF, HUFTON, EVES, ROBINSON * RG13/3094/18/28 PEARSON, FORD, BOGGAN, TRAYER, MORRIS, ALLINGTON, PHILLIPS, MUMBY * RG13/3094/168/30 CHARLES, ELLIS, ROBERTS, CAMPBELL, BIDDLE, GIBBINS, CHRISP, WILLIAMS, BROGDEN, SNELLING, CHAMBERS, DOVE, LOUTH, DOLAN, BANCROFT, CASS Sculcoates, Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire * RG13/4489/45/37, PICK, FARROW, SCARBOROUGH, SHEPHERD, EVES, HARPER, DALLY, LINDSAY, THORLEY, BROWN, CLAYTON, DRINKALE, WARD, BARTLE, AINLEY, HENDERSON * RG13/4490/150/23 DOUGALL, ALLAN, REEVE, HARRISON, EVES, WARDLE, NOTON, PURVESS, BECKINGHAM, BRANKLING, LIGHTFOOT Burythorpe, Yorkshire East Riding * RG13/4538/32/16 KILSINGTON, STEVENS, PECKITT, HARLAS, CARTER, STRANGEWAY, BOYES, WARD Southampton, Hampshire * RG13/1055/138/16 BAILEY, TOMS, CARTER, KING, EAVES, DARK, JEANS, CALLEN, TRUSSL (?), BONNER, MCMURTRIE

Hope there are some kind people out there who can give me any information about my late fathers family, I have some information and have found a few of them on the new census. Many Thanks J.M.C.

I have found a William Vevers at the Classical and Commercial Academy, 36 Mason St, Hull in 1851. The reference comes from a trades directory. Does anybody have access to the 51 census, or know about this Academy? My ggggf William Vevers lived in Hull in the 1840's and moved to York by 1848, but I wonder if it's possible that the trades directory may be referring to a business address. William had a bookshop in York, and earlier was a travelling periodical bookseller, so I'm thinking that maybe there was more than one branch, and this academy may have been in fact a book shop. My William was definitely at home in York in the 1851 census, but his son John wasn't. Andrew Vevers

Hi List, Many thanks to all the people who forwarded the IGI batch number list to me. One thing I have learnt is not to rely on the computer, but print off or write down everything you want to keep, just in case. Les from Oz

Hi All Les Darley's comments on 72 yr old scholars has prompted me to express my concern about the frequency with which errors occur in the 1901 transcriptions. Placename errors are numerous and many occupations should be just ignored - my favourite is a male relation employed as an "agricultural housemaid" (I am sure he would have been!). Our navy must have been the best dressed in the world considering the number tailors who would appear to have gone to sea. I am not criticising the hapless individuals on the Indian sub-continent who had the job of transcribing a handwritten foreign language but the UK people who gave them the job in the first place. I suppose it just reinforces the message that when it comes to genealogy you really must look at all original documents and treat transcriptions with a huge load of salt. I assume the indexing for the 1901 census has been based on the transcription and that will make searching for some people quite difficult - errors like birthplace "Norwich Birmingham" instead of "Warwicks Birmingham" spring to mind. I shudder to think what my relatives born in Narkspool Durham (should have been Hartlepool) would make of it all. Don Hudson

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Dear List Would you believe it is OLDHAM! I took the page over to mum to show her our family, told her I couldn't read the last names on the page. Took one look and read it off without hesitation <g> Once she said that I could see it. I would never have figured that out and I thought I was getting the hang out of reading hurried hand writing. Rosemarie ----- Original Message ----- From: rosemarie vogado To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: 1901 Census names The census taken in Bridlington - Parish Holy Trinity This name I can not figure out - from Hull GEVHAM BLOHAM BEVHAM

----- Original Message ----- From: Holder To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Census look up please in 1851 Hi All I hope someone can help me with a look up please.I thought i would try once more i am trying desperately to find a FRANCIS WILSON + DINAH in Riccall on the 1851 census as i am hoping they have a daughter Jane who would be aged about 12.She is married by 1861 so only 1851 can help. Thank you so much. M Jarrold

Hi List, While searching for my GGGrandfather on the 1901 census I finally found him, and my GGGrandmother, in York living with their daughter's family. Apart from finding that it was the surname everybody dreads finding, SMITH, I was intrigued to find that parents who were aged in their 50's could have a son who was a 72 year old scholar. Les from Oz

The census taken in Bridlington - Parish Holy Trinity HALSE - born - London wife from Hull BLACKBURN - born Reighton PAYNE - born Hull FARRAR - born Halifax DICKERSON - born Gloucestor THOMPSON - born Sheffield WATSON - born Scarbo SPARIN? - born Thorton Dale CLARK - born ? ROBINSON - born Easton PEACOCK - Hull CAU?OR - Hull DOWLING - Hull This name I can not figure out - from Hull GEVHAM BLOHAM BEVHAM Rosemarie California Researching BLACKBURN, Bridlington Quay, Whitby CASEMENT - Hull, Isle of Man CONROY - Hull, Ireland EGGLESTON - Bridlington Quay GRAY - Hull, Bridlington Quay JENNINGS - Hull KEENAN - Hull, Ireland PATTISON - Bridlington Quay SADLER - Hull TAYLOR- Hull

Hello All Just a reminder about the Family History Fair at The Spa Grand Hall, South Bay, Scarborough this coming Saturday 28th September 10am - 5pm. Parking nearby at the Spa underground park plus park & ride.. I have just received the programme and there seems to be a lot more stands than last year. In addtition to the Yorkshire family history societies (there are ten), there are family history societies from as far afield as South West Scotland, Cheshire and Nottingham, also, , microfiche readers,microfilm supplies, old postcards, old & new books, books on CD, computer drawn trees, genealogical supplies,Family Tree Magazine, maps & literature, Genealogy printers, Leeds Indexers, libraries,Society of Genealogists, Great War research services, computer services and charts for genealogists. 1901 Census vouchers & lots more. 58 exhibitors altogether. Promises to be a good day. Hope to see some of you there and sorry to whet the appetites of those of you who are unable to get there. kind regards Brenda Ebberston, 6 miles East of Pickering, North Yorkshire Visit the Family History Research Library with accommodation Books for Genealogists on CD, 1901 Census Vouchers retailer. Visit our website: www.yorkshireancestors.com e-mail: brenda@yorkshireancestors.com

>Hi Everyone. Hope you are all in fine fettle??? > >Looking for George and/or Mary DIXON in Elloughton with Brough. They >could be in their 60's by 1851. A bit of a long shot but finger's crossed. > >Many tia's > >Trish >Ex Hull lass on Central Coast of NSW, Oz. > > >==== YORKSGEN Mailing List ==== >Yorkshire Parish Register's (YAS) - to join send a SAE to: >Yorkshire Archaeological Society (Parish Register Section) >Claremont. Clarendon Road. Leeds. LS2 9NZ >2002 Membership Fee: £18 UK or £21 Overseas >

The following is a summary of the fishing deaths I posted from my 1883 report. I have also included the summary of the Grimsby deaths from fishing vessels which I have been posting on the Lincs list. I don't know about you, but I find these statistics absolutely shocking. They certainly bring home to you what a dangerous occupation fishing was (and still is, though not to the same extent). HULL Return of fishermen reported to the Hull police as drowned or dying at sea since January 1878 Total 1878, 5 adults and 8 youths ..................... 13 1879, 2 adults and 8 youths ..................... 10 1880, 9 adults and 21 youths .................... 30 1881, 12 adults and 22 youths ................... 34 1882, 6 adults and 16 youths ................... 22 ----- 109 GRIMSBY LOSS of LIFE from FISHING VESSELS reported to the Board of Trade at Grimsby. Men Youths or Apprentices Total over 21 21-18 Under 18 Year ended 1st March 1881 31 15 22 68 Year ended 1st March 1882 44 18 15 77 Since 1st March to 27th Sept 1882 10 7 7 24 Total for 2 1/2 years 85 40 44 169 Hilary

Hi All, Does anyone have any information on Alexander Fyfe and Janet Fyfe (nee Pattison). These are the parents of my Grandfather William Fyfe. William was adopted at a very early age, and never knew his real parents, however I do have his birth certificate. William was born on 15th Aug 1902, and at that time his parents were living at 85 Thomas Street, Drypool, Hull. I can't seem to find any trace of them at all, all I have are the details from the birth certificate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Linda Sign up for Internet Service under $10 dollars a month, at http://isp.BlueLight.com

Dear List, Seeing Angie's list of pages from the 1901 census reminded me to tell the list that if you are looking for people in Flamborough then please save yourself some money and ask me for the details. I have a hard copy of all the households in the village for all the census's from 1841-1901. A list of those living in Flamborough in 1901, but born in other places in Yorkshire, has been posted on the GENUKI site. Best wishes Martin Cross Brighton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Marshall" <elmwood123@ukonline.co.uk> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: [ERY] More 1901 refs > Please find below details of surnames found on 1901 census pages: > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 23 > > RAWSON, MAINPRIZE, CROSS, HEADLEY, RACE, SELLERS, WARCUP, CRAGGS, WOODHOUSE, ATKINSON, LOWTHER, FENBY, DANBY, DOWSON, COATES, GILBANK > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 7 > > WARCUP, POCKLEY, MAINPRIZE, READHEAD, COATES, NORDASS, WARCUP, COWLING, GIBBON, LAMPLOUGH, SAWDON, MAINPRIZE > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 15 > > SMITH, BARKER, WILSON, HENDRICK, PICKERING, COLLINGWOOD, SUNLEY, COATES, BUTTERS, GILBANK, SEDMAN, STONEHOUSE, GOOD, ROBERTS, JEFFRIES > > Goole RG13 / 4424 page 46 > > BRADLEY, SUGDEN, LORD, HILARY, SMITH SHERWOOD, WEBSTER > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 14 > > COLLEY, CHADWICK, ATKINSON, TILBURN, STORK, EMMERSON, NORDASS, DUKE, CRAWFORD > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 5 > > KEMP, BAYES, BOOTH, STORK, BARKLEY, EMMERSON, HARVEY, THURLOW > > Rotsea, Hutton Cranswick RG 13/ 4517 page 4 > > BRANSTON, WEATHERILL, HARPER, HOLGATE, WAINES, ROBINSON, DIXON, CORNELL, RANKSLEY, DEIGHTON, BOWER, FOSTER, BOYNTON, ROE, BOYNTON, ROE > > Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 8 > > JACKSON, MAJOR, STORK, DUKE, BILTON, WOODHOUSE, GARBUTT > > Scarborough RG13/ 4531 page 43 > > THOMPSON, FLETCHER, ROWNTREE, PAINE, STUBBS, SAMSON, GREENALL, DUTTON, ELSTON, CHAPMAN, HOLLAND, LAWS, CAPPLEMAN, SLEIGHOLME, WADDINGTON, MOORE, JONES, DOUGLAS, WEBSTER > > > Angie > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Here's the IGI batch numbers URL Les. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page Regards Anne

Please find below details of surnames found on 1901 census pages: Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 23 RAWSON, MAINPRIZE, CROSS, HEADLEY, RACE, SELLERS, WARCUP, CRAGGS, WOODHOUSE, ATKINSON, LOWTHER, FENBY, DANBY, DOWSON, COATES, GILBANK Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 7 WARCUP, POCKLEY, MAINPRIZE, READHEAD, COATES, NORDASS, WARCUP, COWLING, GIBBON, LAMPLOUGH, SAWDON, MAINPRIZE Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 15 SMITH, BARKER, WILSON, HENDRICK, PICKERING, COLLINGWOOD, SUNLEY, COATES, BUTTERS, GILBANK, SEDMAN, STONEHOUSE, GOOD, ROBERTS, JEFFRIES Goole RG13 / 4424 page 46 BRADLEY, SUGDEN, LORD, HILARY, SMITH SHERWOOD, WEBSTER Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 14 COLLEY, CHADWICK, ATKINSON, TILBURN, STORK, EMMERSON, NORDASS, DUKE, CRAWFORD Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 5 KEMP, BAYES, BOOTH, STORK, BARKLEY, EMMERSON, HARVEY, THURLOW Rotsea, Hutton Cranswick RG 13/ 4517 page 4 BRANSTON, WEATHERILL, HARPER, HOLGATE, WAINES, ROBINSON, DIXON, CORNELL, RANKSLEY, DEIGHTON, BOWER, FOSTER, BOYNTON, ROE, BOYNTON, ROE Flamborough RG13/ 4523 page 8 JACKSON, MAJOR, STORK, DUKE, BILTON, WOODHOUSE, GARBUTT Scarborough RG13/ 4531 page 43 THOMPSON, FLETCHER, ROWNTREE, PAINE, STUBBS, SAMSON, GREENALL, DUTTON, ELSTON, CHAPMAN, HOLLAND, LAWS, CAPPLEMAN, SLEIGHOLME, WADDINGTON, MOORE, JONES, DOUGLAS, WEBSTER Angie

Hi List, Over the weekend I had a fatal computer failure. Although it is back working now I lost a lot of files etc which has set me back, and also lost all of my bookmarks to websites. Could somebody please post me the website on rootsweb that points to the IGI batch numbers which, I believe, contains in the string the name HughWallis. Hopefully I shall soon be up and running again. Les from Oz