Hi All, Please find below the Genuki Yorkshire web-site updates etc. for the past 3 or 4 weeks. I have no doubt missed some out somewhere along the line for which my apologies. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of Great Britain & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield), Yorkshire: Past and Present >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places in brackets are the relevant (ancient) parishes. Unless otherwise specified, the churches are C of E. Don't forget the surnames interest list for Yorkshire: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ ------------------------------------- Angela Petyt: WRY: added links to Bill Henderson's Wakefield area photos ------------------------------------- Jane Lachs WRY: Bolsterston & Midhope (Ecclesfield) Transcription of Bolsterstone Christenings, 1778-1813 -------------------------------------- John Ellerton NRY: Kirklington: Transcription of Incumbents. Burneston: Parish Register Transciption - Burials (part) -------------------------------------- Bill Henderson WRY: Church photographs Pontefract St. Joseph's RC - replacement Ackworth All Saints Ackworth Roman Catholic Hoyland St Peter (Wath upon Dearne) NRY: Church Photograph Bilsdale Priory at Chop Gate (Helmsley) --------------------------------------- John Hall WRY: Church photographs: East Ardsley (2 views) -------------------------------------- Andy Sefton: NRY: Transcription of 1862 Malton Messenger BMDs. -------------------------------------- Justine Cornforth NRY: Transcription of BTs for Births/Christenings for Hawnby -------------------------------------- Duncan Herd NRY Rosedale Additional 4 MIs supplied from previously unreadable gravestones -------------------------------------- Colin Hinson: All the above added to data base and formatted for the web. Various corrections made from data supplied by users. Church Photographs WRY: Selby St. Richard's Chapel Links: WRY: Links added to FreeCen: YKS, Darfield, Rotherham and Wath upon Dearne Link and name change: Hartshead One Place Study changed to Kirkless OPS, and web-site URL amended. (Dewsbury parish)

Anyone with connections in the NE of England, try looking at the web site www.thenortheast.com/northlib/default.asp There are hundreds of old photos covering a wide area and listed under the different parts of the region. Peter (N/C upon Tyne)

Hi List, I have a Charles PICKARD (b. Carlton, North Yorks abt. 1799) who married Hannah (unknown surname, b. Cottingham abt. 1798) before 1820 (when their first child was born in Beverley, as were all subsequent children). I did look through the Beverley BT's and didn't find their marriage there. My question is: perhaps they married in Hull or Cottingham - is there anyone on the list who has access to resources that might have the answer? So again it's a marriage just before 1820 of Charles PICKARD and Hannah (?) in the Cottingham/Hull/Beverley area. I would love to know Hannah's surname. Thanks in advance for any help or advice, Sandy Alexander Toronto, Canada

G'Day All I haven't posted my ERY interests for a while, so it seems like a good time to repeat them: WEBSTER: Barmby Moor-early 1800s, Shipton(thorpe)-mid 1800s, Hotham-1881, Hull 1900s HAYWARD: Hull-mid1800s LOUIS: Hull-late 1800s onwards HOPPER: Hull-early to mid 1800s MAUDE: Hull-early to late 1800s DIX: Hull-mid to late 1800s WALKER: Hutton Cranswick-late 1700s to mid 1800s BURGESS: Hutton Cranswick-mid to late 1700s LION: Hutton Cranswick-mid to late 1700s If anyone is searching for the same names, or has any info, I'd be very pleased to hear from them Janet Far North QLD Australia

This article in the HDM was written by John Markham who is one of the most knowledge local historians in the area today, so anyone interested in TLOGG has here the best information available at this moment in time. Peter B ----- Original Message ----- From: <victor.markham@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19 November 2002 17:47 Subject: [ERY] Land of Green Ginger > People on the either the Hull or the East Riding list have been asking about the 'Land of > Green Ginger' in Hull > > On the HDM web site is the following comment. Makes good reading > > Victor > > FINDING THE REASON BEHIND ODD NAME > > > 09:30 - 18 November 2002 > {PRIVATE} > > Bbc Look North gave me all of 30 seconds to explain the meaning of Hull's most > famous street name, Land of Green Ginger, a subject on which thousands of > words have been spilt. All I could do was mention one of the dafter explanations > and one which seemed more likely to be true. > > There's no shortage of bizarre suggestions for the origin of the unusual name, > including one spurious modern one which has gained some currency but is too > absurd to be repeated. The fact is that the name came into use without any > definitive reason ever being recorded, and all we can do now is apply common- > sense and go for the most reasonable explanation. > > Most obvious of all the answers and the one I favour is that it means what it says > - that this was the place where ginger (green because it was undried) was grown. > > Former Hull Museum Curator Tom Sheppard thought this was where the truth > lay. Spices were highly valued in pre-refrigeration days to disguise the taste of > meat which had gone off and nearby were the gardens of the Suffolk Palace, the > manor house of the De la Poles (commemorated in Manor Street). Such wealthy > people would not be slow to avail themselves of every aid to digestion that money > could buy. > > Sheahan's history of Hull gives a slight variation on this theme. Medieval people > apparently had a fancy for green ginger as an appetiser. In this context it means > ginger cured with lemon juice. > > Through the long period which has elapsed since the name first appeared in print - > getting on for three centuries - a rich collection of alternative suggestions has > been offered. One ingenious theory (without evidence) is that it was the address > of a Dutch firm, Lindergroen Junger, a name which, inaccurately pronounced in a > Yorkshire accent, was eventually transformed into Land of Green Ginger. > > A mythical Moses Greenhinger was also invented as a former inhabitant. So was a > German Landgrave (a prince) who, it was claimed, had for some unknown reason > a mansion situated there approached by a "granger" (a walk): hence Landgrave > Granger, and yet another garbled name. > Although it's the name which naturally arouses so much curiosity, it is a pity that > it detracts from other interesting aspects of the street's history. Before it became > Land of Green Ginger it was a section of one of the two main thoroughfares of > medieval Hull, Beverley Street, which ran south to north across the walled town > and then curved towards the Beverley Gate. > > It is still an atmospheric part of the Old Town, a network of alleys and narrow > streets, with Bowlalley Lane nearby and enough lawyers' offices to give it a > Dickensian air, particularly around Christmas time. > > A name with such magical undertones has been copied for other uses, most > notably for the title of a novel by local writer Winifred Holtby. The Internet > shows that a Tynemouth shopping mall also bears the name, and BBC > weatherman Paul Hudson, tells me there's another Land of Green Ginger in > Threshfield, near Skipton. I await further information on this point. > > ______________________________

In message <63.1528cabf.2b096f81@aol.com>, CharlCoom@aol.com writes >Hello, >Noticed on the last letter,mention of Sunk Island. >My (I think) Great Grandfather-----George Owst was born there in 1862 but is >called Suck!!!! Island. >Where was this,I would be grateful of any replies. If you look at a map of Yorkshire, the coastline looks like a face, with flamborough head as the nose, and the Humber estuary as the mouth. Sunk Island is the roof of the mouth, roughly halfway between Hull and Spurn Point. John -- John Rouse, searching for PARR and TINDILL in Yorkshire.

Sunk Island is a Crown Estate on the banks of the Humber River, Hessle is also on the banks of the Humber but is probably 20 miles further west so perhaps there is a misreading of one of the names in your info. Both places are parishes in their own right. There are some Owsts at Patrington and Winestead which border Sunk Island, in the 1851 census index. Sunk Island was an island in the Humber which through natural silting up and man made embankments eventually became joined to the shore to form a flat bleak landscape of isolated farms. Winifred Holtby described the scene in the early 20th century in her book "South Riding" " The wide Dutch landscape, haunted by larks and seabirds, roofed by immense pavilions of windy cloud; the miles of brownish purple shining mud, pocked and hummocked by water and fringed by heath like herbs; the indented banks where the high tides sucked and gurgled; the great ships gliding up to Kingsport (Hull) seen from low lying windows as though they moved across the fields; the brave infrequent flowers, the reluctant springs, the loneliness, the silence, the slow inevitable rhythm of the tides." Peter B ----- Original Message ----- From: <CharlCoom@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 November 2002 22:17 Subject: [ERY] Re: Sunk Island > Hello, > Noticed on the last letter,mention of Sunk Island. > My (I think) Great Grandfather-----George Owst was born there in 1862 but is > called Suck!!!! Island. > Where was this,I would be grateful of any replies. > It comes under the parish of Hessle. > Many thanks, > J.M.C. > > ______________________________

Hi All, In case anyone is wondering I am trying to write a book for our family over here in Australia about our family from East Yorkshire. That is why the questions on farming. I am wondering if anyone can suggest any other sites that pertain to - APPRENTICESHIPS EDUCATION EMPLOYMENT GENERALLY LIVING CONDITIONS ETC I am not copying directly from any websites but trying to establish what life was like in the 1800's so that I can better explain happenings in my family, something that I have no idea of. Thanks, Regards, Karen Qld Australia

Hello Karen, For village life in the 1880s try 'Lark Rise to Candleford' by Flora Thompson, Penguin ISBN 0-14-011756-3. It is an autobiography in a village in Oxfordshire and is full of detail of the Ag Labs life. My ancestors lived in the same village, but much earlier. Regards. Bob, in E. Yorks.

Hello All North Yorkshire libraries have a new website www.northyorks.gov.uk/libraries/census which takes you to a searchable database of the census holdings of the libraries and record offices in North Yorkshire. You can search for a place name and get a list of which libraries have the returns for that place and for which years. Also, you can select a library and obtain details of the census records of which they hold copies. I found it most useful, and can see it being a site I visit regularly. It includes quite a lot of East Riding places and other useful information. The database is still being tested and I understand comments and suggestions would be welcomed. kind regards Brenda Ebberston, 6 miles East of Pickering, North Yorkshire Visit the Family History Research Library with accommodation Books for Genealogists on CD, 1901 Census Vouchers retailer. Visit our website: www.yorkshireancestors.com e-mail: brenda@yorkshireancestors.com

People on the either the Hull or the East Riding list have been asking about the 'Land of Green Ginger' in Hull On the HDM web site is the following comment. Makes good reading Victor FINDING THE REASON BEHIND ODD NAME 09:30 - 18 November 2002 {PRIVATE} Bbc Look North gave me all of 30 seconds to explain the meaning of Hull's most famous street name, Land of Green Ginger, a subject on which thousands of words have been spilt. All I could do was mention one of the dafter explanations and one which seemed more likely to be true. There's no shortage of bizarre suggestions for the origin of the unusual name, including one spurious modern one which has gained some currency but is too absurd to be repeated. The fact is that the name came into use without any definitive reason ever being recorded, and all we can do now is apply common- sense and go for the most reasonable explanation. Most obvious of all the answers and the one I favour is that it means what it says - that this was the place where ginger (green because it was undried) was grown. Former Hull Museum Curator Tom Sheppard thought this was where the truth lay. Spices were highly valued in pre-refrigeration days to disguise the taste of meat which had gone off and nearby were the gardens of the Suffolk Palace, the manor house of the De la Poles (commemorated in Manor Street). Such wealthy people would not be slow to avail themselves of every aid to digestion that money could buy. Sheahan's history of Hull gives a slight variation on this theme. Medieval people apparently had a fancy for green ginger as an appetiser. In this context it means ginger cured with lemon juice. Through the long period which has elapsed since the name first appeared in print - getting on for three centuries - a rich collection of alternative suggestions has been offered. One ingenious theory (without evidence) is that it was the address of a Dutch firm, Lindergroen Junger, a name which, inaccurately pronounced in a Yorkshire accent, was eventually transformed into Land of Green Ginger. A mythical Moses Greenhinger was also invented as a former inhabitant. So was a German Landgrave (a prince) who, it was claimed, had for some unknown reason a mansion situated there approached by a "granger" (a walk): hence Landgrave Granger, and yet another garbled name. Although it's the name which naturally arouses so much curiosity, it is a pity that it detracts from other interesting aspects of the street's history. Before it became Land of Green Ginger it was a section of one of the two main thoroughfares of medieval Hull, Beverley Street, which ran south to north across the walled town and then curved towards the Beverley Gate. It is still an atmospheric part of the Old Town, a network of alleys and narrow streets, with Bowlalley Lane nearby and enough lawyers' offices to give it a Dickensian air, particularly around Christmas time. A name with such magical undertones has been copied for other uses, most notably for the title of a novel by local writer Winifred Holtby. The Internet shows that a Tynemouth shopping mall also bears the name, and BBC weatherman Paul Hudson, tells me there's another Land of Green Ginger in Threshfield, near Skipton. I await further information on this point.

Hello Karen, I read recently that 1840 - 1850 was known as the 'Hungry Forties' because of the poor harvests. Bob, in East Yorks.

Hi all, There is a transcription of the article Peter refers to on the BBC website at http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/history/renderplain.pl?file=/history/lj/how_to_do_historylj/farm_01.shtml Regards, Graham _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Just a note to tell everyone that we are thrilled to have Stephen Caunce as our speaker to the Upper Dales FH Group on May 21st at Hawes museum at 7.30 pm. On this occasion he will be talking about 'Yorkshire Textiles before the factories'. All welcome, Cleveland FHS members free, other visitors £1 at the door. Further details about our programme at www.bishopdale.demon.co.uk Best wishes Glenys www.bishopdale.demon.co.uk Web site for the Upper Dales Family History Group Seeking CUMPSTONs everywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "drofeeb" <drofeeb@supanet.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] Re: Farming again > A very good book which describes the system of working on East > Yorkshire Farms is called "Amongst Farm Horses - The Horselads of > East Yorkshire " by Stephen Caunce ISBN 0 86299 875 1 > There are 243 pages detailing how farms operated in the 19th > century. > > Peter B > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Leigh Doolan" <paradiselandscaping@bigpond.com> > To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 17 November 2002 03:31 > Subject: [ERY] Re: Farming again > > > > Also wondering if someone could recommend a book or the like > which gives the history or farming in Yorkshire including > leasing, types etc etc. > > > > Regards, > > Karen > > Qld > > Australia > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

A very good book which describes the system of working on East Yorkshire Farms is called "Amongst Farm Horses - The Horselads of East Yorkshire " by Stephen Caunce ISBN 0 86299 875 1 There are 243 pages detailing how farms operated in the 19th century. Peter B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Leigh Doolan" <paradiselandscaping@bigpond.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 November 2002 03:31 Subject: [ERY] Re: Farming again > Also wondering if someone could recommend a book or the like which gives the history or farming in Yorkshire including leasing, types etc etc. > > Regards, > Karen > Qld > Australia > > ______________________________

Hello, Noticed on the last letter,mention of Sunk Island. My (I think) Great Grandfather-----George Owst was born there in 1862 but is called Suck!!!! Island. Where was this,I would be grateful of any replies. It comes under the parish of Hessle. Many thanks, J.M.C.

Thought this might be of interest to someone on the list. Went to the Roos Arms at Roos near Withernsea for a meal yesterday and on the wall there is a list of owners and landlords from 1784. The Arms are those of Robert de Ros 1264. 1784 Matthew Patrick, then his wife and son. 1866 Edward Elam 1874 Owner John Webster, landlord Wilkin Medforth. Rebuilt at this time. 1901 Hull Brewery bought it from Smithsons 1906 James Bailey. 1923 Myers, then his wife who married Scott 1927 J W Keelty 1930 Mrs G Scott (previously Myers). 1932 Robert Sproxton. 1937 Herbert Moxon 1949 G J Cook. 1958 Francis Cook. 1960 J T Alexander. 1964 D R Stiggants. 1966 D W Weston. 1967 J Toker. 1970 G T Brocklehurst. 1973 R Gemmell. 1977 B Jackson. 1984 P Sedgwick. 1988 N Wright. 1991 R. Smalley. This is all the information there was. Elizabeth, near Driffield.

Also wondering if someone could recommend a book or the like which gives the history or farming in Yorkshire including leasing, types etc etc. Regards, Karen Qld Australia

Hi All, Wondering if anyone knows what farming was like - ie was there a down turn in farming caused by weather or economy or something else in Yorkshire in 1840/50's. Regards, Karen Qld Australia

Hello Listers, Could SKS help out with a missing relative. I have tried (unsuccessfully) to find the death of Harold Seymour Thomas b. 1865 liverpool m.1893 to Mary Agnes Clayton d. sometime between 1897-1901. Have checked to GRO indexes for the period in question, but no luck. He was a Merchant Seaman working out of Hull so it has occured to me that he may have died at sea. Many thanks Steve Clayton St Leonards on sea