I am looking for information on the family of Richard and Anne(West) Dale. Anne was born about 1786 and had a brother William. They had 4 children: Mary, Joseph(b 1813), Elizabeth(b 1816), and David(b1818). Elizabeth and David were born in North Newbald. The family emigrated to Canada abt 1820. I have been unable to find a marriage record or the Chr of either Mary or Joseph in the IGI. Any assistance would be most appreciated.

Speaking of DANIEL in the Hull area, I have a DORSEY married DANIEL in 1845 at Holy Trinity if you are interested. Lillian Dorsey Researching DORSEY,DOSSER,DORSE, anywhere in England -----Original Message----- From: peter daniel [mailto:pjdaniel@iprimus.com.au] Sent: Monday, 30 December 2002 6:33 p.m. To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ERY] Daniel Hi My Ancestors are from the Hull area. Please tell me what it is exactly what your question about the DANIEL Family in the Hull area is. Peter Daniel Perth Western Australia Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti - virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.261 / Virus Database: 131 Release Date: 7/06/02 ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear Lillian, I would be extremely interested in your DANIEL info. and maybe I could help you in some way. Peter Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti - virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.261 / Virus Database: 131 Release Date: 7/06/02

Dear Laura I have KNAGGs connections and am sending you some details as attachments direct. Best wishes Glenys www.bishopdale.demon.co.uk Web site for the Upper Dales Family History Group Seeking CUMPSTONs everywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura McMahan" <abby@lewiscounty.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: [ERY] Walkler, Hick, Knaggs, Postill, Brown - Bridlilngton - 1760->>> > Hello!, > I am new to the list and would like to post my interests. > Joseph Walker b: 1801, Corbridge, Nthmblnd, probably s/o Joseph Walker <1770> and Elizabeth Brown <1775>. He m: Ann Hick, b: 27 July 1813, Kilham, in Bridlington in 1833/34. She was d/o William Hick and Ann Knaggs. Wm b: 1772, Cayton. Ann b: Feb 1780, Garton on Wolds. Wm was servant in husbandry of Wilsthorp, Bridlington, and they were m: 4 Feb 1804 in Kilham. Ann was d/o Thomas Knaggs and Ann Postilll, m: 25 Apr 1765 in Garton on Wolds. .Joseph W. and Ann H. had John 1834, Wm (died) Jabez 1837, Ann 1842, Mary 1844, all in christened in Bridlington and went to Ontario Canada, Huron Co. in 1848. There they had Jane 1852 and Joseph 1854. Joseph had a brother David b: 1803 and he was in Ontario in 1871 census living with John W. and his wife Mary Luxton Chapple Walker. Any of these sound familiar? Thank you for any assistance. Sincerely, Laura - WA state. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear David Good to get your message, sorry not to have replied earlier. You have just raised my favourite non-human research topic - the ship Saffron and the storm on the night of 28th October 1880. My 3 x grandfather Watson CUMPSTON was supposedly the captain of the Saffron that night, when the ship knocked down Withernsea Pier. Initially I heard from a very distant cousin on this list that we were related, and that her side of the family had a painting of the Saffron, together with the oral history involving my CUMPSTON. Next, I received wonderful information about the Saffron from the Mariners-L@rootsweb.com mailing list. There is a contributor there gprovost@webruler.com who is a mine of information about ships and he sent me these details. I suggest you subscribe for a while to see what info he can give you. SAFFRON (1881) Call sign: MTKC Official Number: 54850 Master: J. Morrison Rigging: Snow; sheathed in felt and yellow metal in 1875 Tonnage: 276 tons Dimensions: 107 feet long, 26.1 foot beam and holds 15.7 feet deep Construction: 1866, Denniston in Sunderland; some repairs in 1875 Owners: T. W. Ring Port of registry: Sunderland Next, on this list, Linda Ferguson sent me the following from "A history of Withernsea & other parishes in S. Holderness". "In 1875, a Company known as the Withernsea Improvement Company erected an ornamental iron pier, a quarter of a mile in length, and a concrete sea wall. The pier had but a short existence, as on October 28th, 1880, a coal-laden barge, "the Saffron", was driven through it, and carried away about two hundred feet. This damage was repaired, but in a violent gale on March 25th, 1882, the end of the pier was carried away, and all that now remains are a couple of upright columns and the entrance towers. The sea wall, however, is still in a good state of preservation." MILES, Geo. T.J. & RICHARDSON , William"A history of Withernsea...", Hull: A. Brown & Sons, 1911, p.33 I have a poor photocopy of The Hull News dated 30th October 1880, which start 'Storms and Floods, fearful gale in the North Sea. Shipwrecks and loss of life. Withernsea Pier carried away. Exciting scenes on the coast. Serious inundations.' 'A resident of Withernsea stated that she counted 190 sail of ships pass that place on Thursday afternoon, and none of these vessels, it is thought, would be successful in getting round Flamborough Head'.......There is then a very long narrative by the 'captain of the Saffron' who is unnamed (damn damn damn!) . The article goes on to mention dozens of ships who foundered that night (50 in all), where they had some early evidence of what had happened to them. It goes on to say 'We may state that a life-buoy was washed ashore yesterday afternoon a little to the north of Withernsea, marked ''Jabez, Colchester". On references to the Registrar of Shipping we find that the Jabez of Colchester is a barge of 71 tons, owned by Robert Shead of Hythe". It does not mention more about the ship in that edition though. You might like to look at newspapers throughout the following week, although I regret I don't have them, and Hull is a long journey away or I would go and have a look for you. I am happy to send you what I have, together with a copy of the painting on a postcard of the Saffron having knocked down the pier, if you would let me know your address. If anyone has further information on the Saffron and my CUMPSTON I should be delighted to hear from you! Best wishes Glenys www.bishopdale.demon.co.uk Web site for the Upper Dales Family History Group Seeking CUMPSTONs everywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lamb" <davidlamb@members.shines.net> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [ERY] Storm of 1880 > Hello, > > I have recently discovered, through a message forwarded to the Essex-UK list > from the Yorksgen list, that James John LAMB, (who was in all likelihood > related to me) met his death in a storm on 28 October 1880, which caused two > ships to collide with the pier at Withernsea. The more spectacular of the > two was the "Saffron", which "punched an 80 yard gap" in > the pier. The other, in which James John LAMB was killed, was the "Jabez". > This was a fishing-smack which > struck the end of the pier and sank with all four hands, all of whom came > from Colchester, Essex. 3 of them were buried at > Withernsea, but James John LAMB was buried at Holmpton, where his body was > discovered. I am wondering if (when things get back to normal after > Christmas) someone living in that area might be able to do a look-up in the > archives of the local newspaper(s) to see if there was a report of the loss > of the "Jabez" - I would of course repay the cost of postage and > photocopying the article. If you are able to help, please contact me > off-list, and I will let you have my postal address. Also, if anyone has > access to the parish registers for Holmpton, or to the churchyard there, > could they possibly check for the death/burial of James John LAMB? Thank > you very much. > > Happy Christmas to all! > > Regards, > David Lamb (Paignton, Devon, UK) > Interests (Essex): BAXTER, BERRY, EREY, GOLDSTONE, LAMB, MOTT, PARTRIDGE, > SARGENT, TICHBORNE, WEBB, WILLSHER > (Suffolk): BRYNGLOVE, CRISPE, FINCH, PARTRIDGE, PORTER, PRATT > >

Hi My Ancestors are from the Hull area. Please tell me what it is exactly what your question about the DANIEL Family in the Hull area is. Peter Daniel Perth Western Australia Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti - virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.261 / Virus Database: 131 Release Date: 7/06/02

I'm working on a puzzle which has me stumped. To be VERY brief, I cannot find a death for a wife, yet I find two subsequent marriages of someone of the same name, same place, right time frame. As to the details - where I cannot be quite so brief, I fear: 1 Frederic Thomas ELLERTON married Sarah ACEY in the first quarter of 1867 in Sculcoates Register Office - per Yorkshire BMD. 2 They had two children, born in 1867 and 1869. 3 On the 1871 census, Frederic is listed as a "widower." 4 He remarried in the third quarter of 1872, possibly somewhat hastily. 5 I have looked at the GRO indexes - and also on the FreeBMD and Yorkshire BMD web sites, which I realise are not complete yet - and can find no death for Sarah ELLERTON. The name seems not terribly common, as so far on the two aforementioned web sites, I can find no reference to her birth (although admittedly, I have no date for it). 6 Yet in 1870 and 1874, there are marriages of a "Sarah ACEY", again in the Sculcoates Register Office. 7 Was Frederic really a widower in 1871, or did his wife leave him? Could he have told the census enumerator he was a widower to avoid having to explain the scandal of a wife who left him? 8 Order the certificates, I can hear you saying. . .but my purse is saying "ouch"! as my husband complains about what an expensive hobby this is getting to be. I would need to order one certificate for each of Sarah's 3 marriages, plus Frederic's hasty marriage and the hasty child, to clear up matters, and I have already spent a small fortune on certificates concerning this huge family. Any suggestions or solutions?? Diane

Re [ERY] Names Search: Woodmansey requested by Dave Watts, LDS IGI has an ancestral file of Woodmansey/Woodmancey. Hannah Woodmansey (c Beverley 8 March 1769, married Francis Fugill Marfleet in 1792) is my ancestor - would be happy to provide you with details if any help/interest Sean Fugill

Christmas greetings... A question that someone may be able to help me with. I want to do some research on the census records for Hull. I have checked out the online 1881 and 1901 records so now want to access the other ones starting with the 1891. I am new to this but I gather that one way is to order the appropriate microfilms via my local Latter Day Saints Family History Centre. When I check the Family History Library Catalogue on www.familysearch.org and look for the film number I see that there is more than 1 film for each Hull census. In fact there are 12 separate films for 1891 and 10 of those are labelled the same - Myton Sub District. So, my trouble is that I can't seem to identify which film I would want or, at least which are more or less likely to contain my ancestors so I could order film progressively. There is a charge for ordering each film via the FHC so I was wondering if I've got this right - it may just be the "way it is". Hope you get my drift and this is an OK question. Any comment or suggestions would be great. Neil Lower Hutt New Zealand

Neil asked about which film to order so that he could look up his families in the 1891 Census for Hull. There is a surname index for the 1891 for the Hull area that is available on microfiche from Lincolnshire FHS. I can look up some surnames for him (or anyone else wanting similar info) and give the refs so that he will know which piece numbers to order. Don't all rush ------ !!! Mary Pendlebury Oldham Lancashire

Hi everyone, I am just posting my names for the first time. Any interest, please give me a call. JOHN BUCHANAN - Born 1803. 24 Kingston Street. Hull. Later occupation Builder 1842 HELEN WARDALE - Born 13 October 1801 - Hull. Parents.Robert Wardale - Born 1775? wife; Helen. SON;- FREDERICK BUCHANAN - Born; 11OCTOBER 1842 HULL. Later occupation. 1880 Railway Clerk. MARRIED; Widow JANE BRETTARGH Nee POLLOCK. @ MANCHESTER 1880 DAUGHTER; MARGARET HELEN BUCHANAN born M/c 1880. Many thanks, Keith Bowen - LEEDS - UK

Charles HENNING married in Hull 1859 is my brick wall, and to help track down his birth I would be grateful to receive any references to the HENNING surname in Yorkshire. Cheers, Steve Garton Researching: DUFFIN - South Cave, Nafferton & Hull HENNING - Hull GARTON - Cranford EADY - Burton Latimer, Grafton Underwood Visit my website for my family tree, transcripts of Cranford St Andrew & Cranford St John parish records and Pigots 1834 Commercial Directory of Yorkshire. URL: http://website.lineone.net/~stevejgarton List Administrator for ALLERSTON, DUFFIN, GARTON & HAMPSHIRE surname mailing lists on Rootsweb. Maintainer of Northamptonshire Parish Data Index http://stevejgarton.bravepages.com/NPD.htm

Have'nt posted my names for some time so here they are: ALLERSTON - Bridlington, Sewerby, Ulrome BIELBY - Nafferton BOYNTON - Ulrome CROSBY - Barmston, Nafferton DUFFIN - Hull, Nafferton, South Cave HAMPSHIRE - Horbury, Hull, Leeds, Wakefield HENNING - Hull LEVETT - Hull McLAREN - Filey, Hunmanby, Lebberston, Muston, Pickering, Staxton, Ulrome, Willerby OXLEY - Wakefield PALMER - Hull SMURFOOT - Filey, Lebberston, Muston, Upton STURDY - Hull Would love to share info with any interested listers. Cheers, Steve Garton Researching: DUFFIN - South Cave, Nafferton & Hull HENNING - Hull GARTON - Cranford EADY - Burton Latimer, Grafton Underwood Visit my website for my family tree, transcripts of Cranford St Andrew & Cranford St John parish records and Pigots 1834 Commercial Directory of Yorkshire. URL: http://website.lineone.net/~stevejgarton List Administrator for ALLERSTON, DUFFIN, GARTON & HAMPSHIRE surname mailing lists on Rootsweb. Maintainer of Northamptonshire Parish Data Index http://stevejgarton.bravepages.com/NPD.htm

Hi everyone. As a relatively new member of this list may I wish you all a happy and prosperous new year, and may you all find that the next relative you trace left full and accurate records linking your family directly to William the conqueror or someother such dignitary (we can always hope :-)). Here's my current wish list if anone can help: Watts 1900 and before Sissons Nicholson (Beeford 1840) Robinson (Thwing 1840) Woodmansey (I know an Australian distant relative has done a lot of research on these but I don't know who he/she is to find out the results) Harrison (Kilham 1850's) Abbs (Hull/ East Riding 1850's and Norfolk before that) Dowse (1830's) Clipson (North lincolnshire 1850's) Hoskins (East Yorks/Birmingham 1820's) Briglin (1820's) Major (Flamborough 1840's) Richardson Flamborough again) Robinson (Filey 1870's - I believe they were fishermen) Temple (1870's) If anyone can help on any of these I would be really grateful. Beast wishes David Watts

----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wilkinson" > I found out from censuses 1841, 1851 and 1861 that my GGGrandmother ran a brothel in Leadenhall Street, Hull. I don't think the street exists today, so can anyone tell me where it was... Barbara My 1823 Directory of Hull (no map I'm afraid) lists Leadenhall Square as being at 62 Lowgate (not far from the Town Hall). My 1851 Directory lists it as still in existence, but at 68 Lowgate. (Obviously some renumbering of houses by that time). Sorry I cannot help more than that. Mary>

Hello Everyone, I found out from censuses 1841, 1851 and 1861 that my GGGrandmother ran a brothel in Leadenhall Street, Hull. I gathered from said censuses that there were several such establishments in the same street. I don't think the street exists today, so can anyone tell me where it was, bearing in mind that although I was born in Hull I left at the age of 3. She was a widow in 1841 but married again the following year. However this did not deter her from continuing her business, her 2nd husband was a mariner as was her 1st. Barbara

Hi All, Im looking for anyone with the surname Daniel who can help with some family infomation. Prefrably round the area of Hull.

>Hi Everyone, Thought it about time I posted my surname interests. These >ones are especially pertinent to Hull though some may have originated in >the surrounding villages of the East Riding. >The first bunch are peripherals. The second lot being direct related to me. >BELL - York COLLINGWOOD, Flamborough >BURDON - Hutton Rudby and Whitby >BRISKHAM - North Ferriby >BURGOYNE - Hull but orig. from Devon >CROSS - Hull but orig from Louth Lincolnshire >FENTON, - Hull 1900's >HILL - unknown but could be around Ainderby Steeple >JACOBS - Hull 1900's >JORDAN - Flamborough area >LOWTHER - Hull 1900's >LeGROVE or LEGGROVE - Hull >LANE - Hull >MILNER - Cottingham area >NIGHTINGALE - poss Flamborough area >NORRIS - Beeford, >SPARKES, Hull area 1900's >SCOTT - Nafferton, >SHILLITO - Hull >WALKER - Hull 1900's >WATSON - Beeford >WILDMAN - Brandesburton area >WOODWARD - Hull area 1900's > > >These are my rellies. > >BEARPARK, Hull and Ainderby Steeple, >DOBBS, Hull and Louth >HODGKINSON, Epworth, West Butterwick and Hull >CHADWICK, Flamborough, Hull >MORTON, Hull >STEPHENSON, Hull , Nafferton and KILHAM >FELL, Filey and Flamborough, >KNIGHT, North Duffield or Ainderby Steeple area >ANDERSON, Glasgow (Barony) >WRIGHT, Whitby and Hull >ALEXANDER, Kilham >BIRKITT, Brandesburton and Bridlington >CLOUGH, Ainderby Steeple >DIXON, Elloughton and Bridlington >ELLIOTT, Bridlington >LADLEY, South Reston, Lincs >ROBERTS, Drypool - Hull >ROW(E), Hull >THORNTON, Caistor > >Any bells ringing anywhere?? >Wishing you all a very happy new Year and hopefully 2003 will bring down >some brick walls somewhere. > >ttfn >Trish >Ex Hull lass on Central Coast of NSW,Oz. >(Sorry for cross postings)

Hi Barbara, I suggest that you contact the Hull Maritime Museum. Arthur G. Credland is the leading authority on the Whaling Industry. This could save you hours of fruitless searching. The address is : Hull Maritime Museum, Queen Victoria Square, Hull HU1 3DX Telephone: Museums and Art Galleries General Enquiries - 01482 300300 Good Luck! Jean Garforth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wilkinson" <Charles@cwilkinson.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: [ERY] 'lost at sea' > Dear All, > My GGrandfather, James Edward Stather, was 'lost at sea' in 1866. Does anyone know how to go about finding mention of him or the ship/boat from which he was lost? I think it was a whaling vessel and it would have been based in Hull as that was where his young family was living, he was only 30 years old and left a wife and 4 children. Is there anywhere in Hull that has records of such a nature that I could write to? James' father was also a mariner and I have found no mention of him after James' birth in London. In the 1841 census James' mother was a widow, and James was 5 years old. London is a bit of a red herring as they came from and were married in Beverley, and were in Hull in 1841. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Barbara > Chislehurst, Kent. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear All, My GGrandfather, James Edward Stather, was 'lost at sea' in 1866. Does anyone know how to go about finding mention of him or the ship/boat from which he was lost? I think it was a whaling vessel and it would have been based in Hull as that was where his young family was living, he was only 30 years old and left a wife and 4 children. Is there anywhere in Hull that has records of such a nature that I could write to? James' father was also a mariner and I have found no mention of him after James' birth in London. In the 1841 census James' mother was a widow, and James was 5 years old. London is a bit of a red herring as they came from and were married in Beverley, and were in Hull in 1841. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Barbara Chislehurst, Kent.