To let everyone know that Anne Collier is to release her next book called "Sherburn in Victorian Times" at an informal afternoon in Sherburn Village Hall, near Scarborough between 1 and 4 pm on 15 Feb. Profits if any, are to be shared equally between St Hilda's Church Fabric Fund and Sherburn Surgery for extra equipment. From the sale of "Sherburn -a 20th Century History" Anne was able to donate just over £1000 towards a new School classroom and same amount towards cost of Millennium renovation of village hall. John Clarke "a Sherburn lad" who exhibited dozens of old Sherburn photos at launch of the 1st book, has also agreed to exhibit photos of Sherburn which he's taken over the years showing 'changing village scenes'. In this 2nd book Anne has tried to capture the spirit of the Victorian era and included details of people who lived in Sherburn and interesting events which took place in the village throughout Victoria's reign, as well as a few late 19C photos, sketches and other illustrations. Some events are happy, some sad even tragic, while others are extra-ordinary or amusing. The Book is the same size as her first book "Sherburn - A 20th Century History" and costs £7.50/ copy. She still has copies of her first book available. Please contact Anne direct for any orders. Her email is: derrick@collieruk.freeserve.co.uk Please forgive me for publishing this, but all profits from the project are for good causes, and Anne's books are usually goldmines of names for family history research from the area. Andy Sefton Pocklington

Peter You are probably right in supposing that he was sailing on deepsea ships and was not on trawlers. Richard Dawson

Farms on the wolds had a farmhouse where the farmer and his family lived. There would also be a fairly large house where (usually but not always) the farm foreman lived. He would be known as the Hind(rhymes with wind(as in winding a clock, not as in wind, the wind that blows). The wife of this man, whatever position he held, would run what was,in effect, a lodging house for the unmarried men who worked on the farm. The farmer would give this lady a lodging allowance for each man every week. Wages were paid annually and the total sum thus paid would be deducted from the years wages next Martinmas (23 Nov. was Martinmas day) and the hirings for the next year's work were held during the week following. Men could also 'sub' their wages if they wanted to buy clothes or go down the pub for a drink This covers it pretty well Richard Dawson

Thanks to everyone who replied. The word 'seas' is in someone elses handwriting, therefore I agree it must have been added for the stastical count Best Regards Peter

I recently transcribed and published 'A Muster Roll of the East Riding of Yorkshire (1636)' from an original document deposited in the East Yorkshire Archives. I have taken the title from the from the spine of the bound volume in which the original appears, but it is not a Militia Muster Roll in the strict sense. It's more of a list of those assessed to provide foot arms, privately and for their respective townships, and contains about 3000 names (including some widows and clergy) from every township in the old East Riding except Holy Trinity Hull, St Mary Hull, Hessle, North Ferriby and Kirkella. Anyone interested in purchasing a copy should go to the following links on Ebay for more details: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=29065 34473&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1123&item=2702747511&rd=1 Otherwise mail me offlist for more details: chrw@ndirect.co.uk or chrw12@yahoo.co.uk Chris Watson

Hi Pete, A Hind was farm foreman usually on the larger farms which had another dwelling in addition to the main farm house, often this was a smaller farm that was part of the total holding. A man who was a Hind was usually expected to provide board and food for the men working on the farm under him and his recompense from the farmer he worked for allowed for the cost of this. There are still houses in this area which are known as "Hind House" to the older local inhabitants but which have usually today been sold off as desirable country residences. Best wishes Peter B ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rynanneth@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 21 January 2003 14:57 Subject: [ERY] 19th centuary job definition: 'Hind' > Hello again, > > I have two instances of people being described as 'hinds' and have found two > very different definitions in two dictionaries. Both relative to the farming > industry. > > 1st - Farm hind as in farm hand. > > 2nd - "They are hinds at Thorn Marsh under Mr John Leonard of Ryhill." > Definition given = Bailiffs. > > Any more definitions out there? > > Is it Holderness/East Riding dialect? > > Help! Please. > > Peter Fewson. > > ______________________________

PETER ATKINSON <atkinson@supertrout.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > In the 1891 census my grgrandfather is shown as a 'marine fireman', > but written above these two words is added 'seas'. There is also another entry like this on the same page. > Is this to indicate they travel 'overseas' instead of being a fisherman or coastal sailor, or possibly sailing that day. > Any ideas please. Hi Peter After the Census books had been filled in they were subject to some kind of statistical analysis, part of which was a count of how many people were engaged in particular types of work. Many of the categories used were broader than the ones which the enumerators had written in, and so for some people you find that a more general term has been inserted later in a different hand. I would guess that this is the case here. Arthur Kennedy

Would be so pleased to hear from anyone researching the following names in the Sculcoates/Kingston upon Hull area. Particular interest is WHITFIELD, found in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 Census, all appeared to be in the trade of Slaters. Other interests - Martha Chapman who married a Richard Whitfield (my grandfather) and Eliza Oscroft who married a Joseph Whitfield (his brother) in the Sculcoates area. Kind regards, Pauline

In the 1891 census my grgrandfather is shown as a 'marine fireman', but written above these two words is added 'seas'. There is also another entry like this on the same page. Is this to indicate they travel 'overseas' instead of being a fisherman or coastal sailor, or possibly sailing that day. Any ideas please. Peter

Chambers Scots Dictionary defines Hind as "a farm servant hired yearly and occupying a farm- cottage" Alistair ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rynanneth@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [ERY] 19th centuary job definition: 'Hind' > Hello again, > > I have two instances of people being described as 'hinds' and have found two > very different definitions in two dictionaries. Both relative to the farming > industry. > > 1st - Farm hind as in farm hand. > > 2nd - "They are hinds at Thorn Marsh under Mr John Leonard of Ryhill." > Definition given = Bailiffs. > > Any more definitions out there? > > Is it Holderness/East Riding dialect? > > Help! Please. > > Peter Fewson. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Peter, I have a very helpful list of Occupations and Trades which I found somewhere on the internet - but unfortunately I can't remember where (must be my age !!!). This has 2 definitions: HIND: 1. A household or domestic servant, 2. In SCT a skilled farm labourer. Hope this helps Sue

Hello again, I have two instances of people being described as 'hinds' and have found two very different definitions in two dictionaries. Both relative to the farming industry. 1st - Farm hind as in farm hand. 2nd - "They are hinds at Thorn Marsh under Mr John Leonard of Ryhill." Definition given = Bailiffs. Any more definitions out there? Is it Holderness/East Riding dialect? Help! Please. Peter Fewson.

Hi everyone, A cousin has asked to to enquire whether anyone on this list is researching the family BRIDGES that originated in Norfolk and moved to Hull. All replies to Janet at <Upnor@btinternet.com> please. Many thanks and a Happy New Year to all, Regards, Peter Fewson.

Hi everyone, I am new to your list. I am researching the name BRODDLE /BRODELL/ BRODDELL/ BRODAL etc. The family origins are in Lincolnshire, but some crossed the border into 'God's country'. I would bemost grateful for any information. Regards KenB Dorset

I am currently researching the surnames Blount, Dibb and Matthews in the Hull area especially 1900-1945. Any helpgreatly appreciated

Does anyone have any connections to the surname DANIEL in the Hull, or east Yorkshire area, or any info on a William or Doris Daniel from around the 1970's. Cheers Jack

Can anyone tell me whether Marfleet has its own registration district for BDM, or whether it would be listed under one of Hull's districts. If so, which one? I haven't seen Marfleet listed yet in the Yorkshire BMD, I do not know whether this is because Marfleet hasn't been added yet or because BMDs from that area are listed under another district. Also, would this then be different from its parish registers, which I assume would be specifically under Marfleet? I get the impression that at some point Marfleet was incorporated into Hull, does anyone know exactly when and how this would affect parish records and registration districts for censuses and BDMs? One more question. Which church would have been called the "parish church" in Marfleet in 1944? Thanks Kerry

Hi Listers, Come someone please do me a favour and look up the 1891 census for Henry and Frances CLARKE of 33 Hotham Street, Hull. I am trying to find out anything about them and any children they had. TIA and cheers from a very dry summer in Australia Debbie :-)

Does anyone have access to the 1891 census? I am looking for WILLIAM JAMES SYMONS who married REBECCA DREWERY on29th April 1894 at Holy Trinity, Hull. He was 23 & a Miller, & she 21 & they both lived at 7 GT PASSAGES STREET. They do not seem to be on the 1901 Census anywhere. Would appreciate any help, thanks, Janet, Florida, USA

Hi everyone Seeking information on a LAVINIA NEWMARCH born March 1845 in Hull and a HELEN WINDASS born c1861 in Walkington nr Beverley Alan