Hi Marjory, I have at two marriage certificates, one for Holy Trinity, Hull and on for St. Barnabas', Hull which say "in the County of said Town". Is it possible that under closer examination the word may be Town? Why town I have no idea because Hull is a city. Probably a Clerical thing. Maybe the Church has different terminology to the rest of us!! Kind regards. Jean Garforth - HULL

Hi Peter, There's a useful website at http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html which gives WHITE SMITH A tin smith. Regards Anne

----- Original Message ----- From: "PETER ATKINSON" <atkinson@supertrout.fsnet.co.uk> A certificate C. 1870 shows occupation as ''whitesmith''. Does anyone know what that was? > > TIA > Peter > Hi, Peter A "whitesmith" was someone who worked with tin/metalware. Mary

A certificate C. 1870 shows occupation as ''whitesmith''. Does anyone know what that was? TIA Peter

Hello, Hull is in Yorkshire - that is the county, so I cannot imagine what "Said Isle" might be. The top of the certificate should say something such as: (Year) Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of (name of parish) in the District of (Name of Registration District) in the County of (Name of County) If I understand your message correctly, the words at the top of your certificate read: (Year) Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Holy Trinity in the District of Hull in the County of Said Isle I have seen a reply which suggests "Sunk Island" for "Said Isle", but there is no county name anywhere in the UK which is anything like either "Sunk Island" or "Said Isle", and even if there were, Hull is in Yorkshire. I am slightly confused at the fact that you have as your subject "Re: Parish", but it seems from your message that you already know that the parish was Holy Trinity, Hull, and it is the strange-looking county name which is causing you a problem. (I hasten to add that I am neither complaining nor criticising, just making sure that I have understood your question). A seed-crusher was someone who crushed seeds for their oil. Oilseed rape flourished as a lamp oil on the railways until it was replaced by paraffin, when cheap mineral oils became available. I hope this helps a little. David Lamb (Paignton, Devon, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: <MIDGE780@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: [ERY] Re: Parish > Hello Everyone, > > I have a Marriage Certificate that was solemnized at Hull in the Holy Trinity > Church. > > However, I cannot read the County. It looks like 'Said Isle'. Also the Rank > or Profession looks like 'Seed Crusher'. Could some kind person decipher > either of these for me? > > Regards > > Marjorie > > ______________________________

Peter: Many folks are sending the message that "whitesmith" worked in tin. In some areas this may be a transferrable meaning, however, a tinsmith was usually just that a "tinsmith". A whitesmith on the other hand worked in the white metals other than tin (but often including it as the need in his area demanded) and this included steel and often pewter. The "blacksmith" worked with black metal such as iron. Some blacksmiths worked in a mixture of iron and steel in later years, including those in your ancestors time frame. Whitesmiths were also sometimes "gun smiths" as the same type of metals were used in this trade, and it proved to be a lucrative "sideline" for many whitesmiths who had talent in that area. Hope this helps. Sher at Ontario, Canada At 01:42 PM 2/5/03 +0000, you wrote: >A certificate C. 1870 shows occupation as ''whitesmith''. Does anyone >know what that was? > >TIA > >Peter > > >==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== >LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index >http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html >The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi all-- Can SKS do a look up for me in the 1851 census for East Sculcoates? I am looking for the Thomas WILSON, age 33, and his son Thomas, age 8. I am interested to discover Thomas's occupation, address, birthplace and other people in the household. I believe they can be found on Folio 199v. Thank you so much for any help you can provide. Nancy Shepherdson Researching: SHEPHERDSON, PICKERSGILL, NORMAN, WILSON, LAZENBY, FRANKS, GODSON, CALVERT, READ, BOLTON in Yorkshire

Sunk Island? ----- Original Message ----- From: <MIDGE780@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: [ERY] Re: Parish > > Hello Everyone, > > I have a Marriage Certificate that was solemnized at Hull in the Holy Trinity > Church. > > However, I cannot read the County. It looks like 'Said Isle'. Also the Rank > or Profession looks like 'Seed Crusher'. Could some kind person decipher > either of these for me? > > Regards > > Marjorie > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sue, I have an Ellen SALT, who married Harry LOCKING in Grimsby, Lincs, in 1885, having had a daughter Beatrice SALT in Sheffield, Yorks. in 1882. In 1891 and 1901, Ellen said that she also was born in Sheffield, though living in Grimsby. On her marriage certificate, her father was said to be Robert SALT. Cheers, Liz Davies Looking for LOCKINGs anywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUCECorvettekid@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: [ERY] SALT family > Hi I have been reading with interest everyone's information, but as yet no > one has made any mention of the families I am researching. My intersts are: > - > > Thomas SALT, born Malton ab 1863, married to Fanny PROSSER June 1889. They > had 4 children - Katie ab 1890, Herbet ab 1891 ( my great-grandfather), > Walter ab 1895 and James ab 1898. > > Herbet married Eliza Philp 11/2/1912, and they had 5 children - Edna May b > Scarborough 14/4/1912, Doris ab 1915 Didsbury, Gladys Irene b 11/8/1918 > Didsbury, > Thomas Herbet b Nov 1924 Didsbury and Leslie Arnold b 13/5/1927 Didsbury. > > Edna May SALT (my grandmother) married Frederick Joseph BANNER on 6/8/1932, > Manchester South. > > I am particularly interested in the SALT family and PHILP family in the > Yorkshire area, but any other info on these 2 families elsewhere would be > gratefully recieved. > > Also researching: > > SALT > PHILP > BANNER > BRUCE > EDGECOMBE > > Best wishes > > Sue Bruce (nee BANNER) > > e: BRUCECorvettekid@aol.com > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Good morning to everyone, I am re-subscribing after a break of about a year and would like to take this opportunity to list the families I am researching in the Hull (Leeds and Scarborough) area. OWEN(S) originally from Ireland 1830+ HENIGAN (HINEGAN) originally from Ireland 1830+ FORKIN, Mary "Polly" 1840-1927 HARRISON, George and Jane (Previous name TATE or TAIT, originally from Scotland)1840+ and their two sons Henry HARRISON and William HARRISON. CLARK(E) James and Ann (Ann born in Scotland, James may be Irish) 1860+ CLARK(E) Peter 1876-1942 CLARK(E) Patrick, sometimes known as Frederick WRIGHT 1880-1916, had a son Fredy HILL. CLARK(E) Mary married Charles WRIGHT about 1898 and had three girls: Emily Mary b. 1900 d.1904 Mary and Lily. One of these girls married her cousin Fredy HILL Also associated families HOLMES, CAMPBELL I would be very interested to hear from anyone who recognises these families, as I have great problems in even finding my great grandparents. They mostly lived in Hull but I believe their are some family connections with Leeds, Scarborough and Mexborough. Best regards Pamela Soyer Paris, France

Thank you everyone for all the responses to my query "Salem Chapel". Thanks to the very many suggestions received, I have now located the archives of interest at the LDS. Shona http://www.cave-kids.com

Hello Everyone, I have a Marriage Certificate that was solemnized at Hull in the Holy Trinity Church. However, I cannot read the County. It looks like 'Said Isle'. Also the Rank or Profession looks like 'Seed Crusher'. Could some kind person decipher either of these for me? Regards Marjorie

Hi I have been reading with interest everyone's information, but as yet no one has made any mention of the families I am researching. My intersts are: - Thomas SALT, born Malton ab 1863, married to Fanny PROSSER June 1889. They had 4 children - Katie ab 1890, Herbet ab 1891 ( my great-grandfather), Walter ab 1895 and James ab 1898. Herbet married Eliza Philp 11/2/1912, and they had 5 children - Edna May b Scarborough 14/4/1912, Doris ab 1915 Didsbury, Gladys Irene b 11/8/1918 Didsbury, Thomas Herbet b Nov 1924 Didsbury and Leslie Arnold b 13/5/1927 Didsbury. Edna May SALT (my grandmother) married Frederick Joseph BANNER on 6/8/1932, Manchester South. I am particularly interested in the SALT family and PHILP family in the Yorkshire area, but any other info on these 2 families elsewhere would be gratefully recieved. Also researching: SALT PHILP BANNER BRUCE EDGECOMBE Best wishes Sue Bruce (nee BANNER) e: BRUCECorvettekid@aol.com

Hi Can anybody help ? I have a Thomas Wheatley who married a Harriet Ombler,their children where born in Kingston Upon Hull 1845 William. I think Thomas died and Harriet remarried to a Bryan Foster,in the 1881 census Harriet is living with Bryan as husband&wife ,Thomas Wheatley son W 27 born Hull also granddaughter Harriet Wheatley aged 4 born hull.Can anybody shed any light into this? Thanks Sylvia

Hi Jean, Looks like Catherine was William Priestman's wife. This looks like the family in the 1851 Census Indexes for Hull. depending on the age of Eliza when she married, Catherine could have been a second wife to William. Not conclusive of course but worth keeping a note of. Folio 271 - PRIESTMAN Catherine 32 Brandesburton Emma 5 Hull James 7 Hull John 10 Hull Mary A. 11 Hull Thomas 1 Hull William 48 Weall Hope this helps. Jean G. - HULL HO 107/2362 -HOLY TRINITY ----- Original Message ----- From: <Spanielsminilop@aol.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: [ERY] Priestman-1851 era > <PRE>Please is anyone researching Priestman in Hull 1851?I have a gt gt > grandmother,Eliza-she married William Harram(Haram) at Sculcoates Parish > Church-in 1851.In 1851-her father William was a Baker,she gave her address as > Sykes St,Hull at the time of her marriage,but Church Lane also is an address > I have around that time for William-Ihave no information as to her > mother.When WilliamHarram diedin 1871-their daughter Sara Jane went for the > death certificate-BUT a CATHERINE PRIESTMAN-is on record at Hull archives as > going to the Coroner's(I think that is what it was)whether sister /or neice > of Eliza-I don't have that info-cannot seem to find this.Catherine-gave her > address as Chapel Court,Osborne St,HullWhen Eliza re-married in 1874-William > Priestman was deceased according to her Marriage certificate.Would appreciate > help/info/anyone perhaps having a chance to look please at the Archives?WHEN > the weather improves.TIA Jean(in a COLD dry Evesham,Worcestershire) > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > LOST? please use the "Where is it in Yorkshire?" index > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html > The Maintainer of the Genuki Yorkshire pages is Colin Hinson > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Shona, The East Riding Archives list show they have registers of birth & baptisms 1833-37 & burials 1833-35 which are microfilms and are probably copies of what was sent to the PRO. The Hull Record Office has a lot of Hull nonconformist registers but they don't have Cogan St Independent listed amongst them. It would be worth contacting them to see if they know of their whereabouts as they may still be held by the church. Peter B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cave-kids" <shona@cave-kids.com> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 02 February 2003 14:06 Subject: [ERY] Re: Salem Chapel > Hi Everyone, > > Would any one on the list have knowledge of : > Salem Chapel, Cogan Street-Independent, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, > England. > Built in 1833, turned into a Synagogue in 1914, replaced by West Parade, > Hull in 1940 > and destroyed during the second World War. > > I am trying if possible to locate Archive records of this Chapel. > Regards Shona > > http://www.cave-kids.com > > ______________________________

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JEFFS : Waverton (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), Tynemouth (Northumberland), Hebburn/Chester-le-Street (Northumberland) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LOWE : Pulford (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON : Lymm (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Barthomley (Cheshire), Church Lawton (Cheshire), Crewe (Cheshire) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) TAYLOR : Crewe area (Cheshire) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Tim

On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 14:06:40 -0000, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >Would any one on the list have knowledge of : >Salem Chapel, Cogan Street-Independent, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, >England. >Built in 1833, turned into a Synagogue in 1914, replaced by West Parade, >Hull in 1940 >and destroyed during the second World War. > >I am trying if possible to locate Archive records of this Chapel. >Regards Shona > >http://www.cave-kids.com National Index of Parish Registers Vol 11 Part 2 has the following: Kingston-upon-Hull Independent/Congregationalist Salem Chapel, Cogan Street Original Records of birth (1831-1837) at the PRO - [probably in class RG4 so there may be microfilm copies at the FRC]. Also unauthenticated records of birth (1828-1901), marriage (1837-1883) and burial (1833-1847) are at the PRO. Copies of some of these at: East Riding Archives, Beverley and from LDS family history centres. Regards Steve

Hello All I am looking for information on a DAVID ATKINSON (born c 1861) who according to the 1901 census was born in Raywell nr Cottingham. His fathers name was James. He married a HELEN WINDASS (born in c 1861 in Walkington) on March 10 1884. They are both listed as living in Sculcoates Lane at time of marriage. Alan in Scarborough

Hi Everyone, Would any one on the list have knowledge of : Salem Chapel, Cogan Street-Independent, Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, England. Built in 1833, turned into a Synagogue in 1914, replaced by West Parade, Hull in 1940 and destroyed during the second World War. I am trying if possible to locate Archive records of this Chapel. Regards Shona http://www.cave-kids.com