What a good thing that I posted my message or I would never have found out about the EYFHS transcription! This sounds a much better bet than the ERY 1861 from Archive CD Books. I was at the Pudsey Family History Fair on Saturday and I probably missed this information which was most likely right under my nose on one of the stalls. Thanks Brenda Regards Mary Pendlebury

Hulllshire was never a 'proper' county in the way that inspired other people to be proud of their county. People from Hull were no doubt proud to say tha they came from Hull and I don't blame them, its a fine place. But whatever its political responsibilities were Hull was never(correct me if I'm wrong) administered by the East Riding County Council; it was self administered even before it became a city. Cities were alwayss, up to 1974, self administered. Maybe some local government officer can give us a more precice definition. Richard Dawson

Hello Mary and All Mary wrote>> I don't know how many of you have looked at the Archive CD Project website > recently but advance orders are being taken for the 1861 Census for the ERY. > > There are only 27 orders in so far (one of them is me!) and so the release > of this collection of CDs won't happen for a good long time. > The cost is only ?25 for the set and it will reduce if lots of people order > before publication. 78% of the East Riding census for 1861 is already available on CD, transcribed by the East Yorkshire Family History Society. It is a full transcription with an excellent search facility. I typed in POSTILL and got not only 138 Surname entries, but also one for 'Postill Cottage' which I would never ever have found. Even when the original census images are available on CD this will still be a wonderful finding aid. It's brilliant. It is available in separate piece numbers on fiche or a CD covering all the places. The CD will be updated (free of charge, postage only) as soon as it is completed. The target date for this is later this year. Full details showing which areas are already available are on their website www.eyfhs.org.uk It actually covers more than just the East Riding, it is from the Humber to the Tees. S & N Genealogy supplies are also producing all the censuses for the whole of Yorkshire on CD or DVD. £49.95 pre-release price (but covers the whole of Yorkshire not just the East Riding) They hope all the Yorkshire ones will be available by the end of the year and both 1861 and 1901 should be available by the 'end of spring' Their website for censuses is www.BritishArchiveData.com' click on 'Yorkshire Census' and then 'Census Project' for the details. regards Brenda Ebberston, 6 miles East of Pickering, North Yorkshire Visit the Family History Research Library with accommodation Books for Genealogists on CD, 1901 Census Vouchers retailer. Visit our website: www.yorkshireancestors.com e-mail: brenda@yorkshireancestors.com

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Hello, How confusing our county system can be, even for people who live here in the UK, let alone those who live elsewhere in the world! I must admit that I had never heard of Hullshire, or of Hull being a county. A "Google" search for Hullshire led me to a website about the history of the village of Kirk Ella, at: http://www.homestead.com/kirkellaandwestella/Kirkhistory.html which includes the following: "We find that 'Kirk-Elley' as the village was referred to in 1440, together with other local villages formed the County of Hullshire...." What seems strange is that (as far as I know) there is no Chapman code for Hullshire, and it doesn't appear as a county on the 1881 Census, on the website of the Association of British Counties, on the "ParLoc" program, or indeed on any other source listing UK counties which I have seen. I am certainly not saying that Colin is wrong, but I just wonder if the word "county", when used in phrases like "City and County of" means something different to what it does when used to describe places such as Essex, Worcestershire or Cornwall. Was it perhaps an early version of what we now refer to as unitary authorities? There is a downloadable map at: http://www.budd.karoo.net/Eriding.jpg It is dated 1884, and entitled "Map of the East Riding of Yorkshire. Shewing the Boundaries of Holderness & Hullshire." That title, plus the fact the words "East Riding" on the map itself extend over the parts shown as "Holdernesss" and "Hullshire" would seem to indicate that Hullshire and Holderness were parts (subdivisions?) of the East Riding of Yorkshire. Just a small point, which I only mention hopefully to avoid further confusion - Colin wrote: "The same Genuki page also tells you that Hull (or Hullshire) is a county." If we are both talking about the same page (Part 1 of "A History of Hull") then the words about Hullshire/Hull being a county, are, like the whole page, quoted from "A History of Kingston on Hull" from Bulmer's Gazetteer, dated 1892. I am fairly certain that there is no longer a county called "Hullshire". Thanks, Colin, for pointing out where Sunk Island is - I have now also seen it on the downlowdable map I mentioned above. David Lamb (Paignton, Devon, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Hinson" <Colin@blunham.demon.co.uk> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [ERY] ERY] Re: Parish > Hi Folks, > Sorry to come a bit late in this subject - I've been ill with some awful > viral infection and have been ignoring all but the most urgent emails. > > To try to clarify a few things: > A quick look at the Genuki page for Hull would have told you that until > 1897, Hull was a town and not a city, therefore any records before that > date would refer to a town. The same Genuki page also tells you that > Hull (or Hullshire) is a county. > > There are several expressions used in these circumstances: > In the county of itself. > In the county of its (own) name > In the county of said town > and others. > > It is therefore a reasonable conclusion (as has been suggested by several > people) that the line reads > In the county of said town. > > Dave: Sunk Island is the area of reclaimed land to the south of Patrington > -originally extra-parochial, but later a parish. > > Best wishes, > Colin Hinson > > In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. > Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ > Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ > Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, > National gazetteer of G.B & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY > Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield), Yorkshire: Past and Present > Poulson's Holderness, Turner's Brighouse, etc etc > > ______________________________

Hello Josephine, Thank you for responding. I have the same info on this family also taken from the IGI. However, parish records have not yet been consulted so I am uncertain as to whether Mary Milner (30th June 1792) is a daughter of James Milner and Mary Wardel of Settrington and I am uncertain as to whether James Milner is a son of John Milner and Ann Rider of New Malton. I will see if I can track down more information. At the moment, I only have information on one child born to Robert Milner and Jane Mowman (?) namely a William Milner who is recorded as having been christened on 16 Jan 1832 at Norton. William is provisionally linked to Eliza Young (?) and, at present, I have one child born to that marriage namely Edmond Young William Milner who was christened 14th May 1854. All this info has been taken from the IGI and still has to be verified. Regards, Pat

Thank you, Kevin, for all the work you have done on the East Yorkshire site. We forget about the amount of time such a venture entails. Thanks again, Sharon Crowley Reno, Nevada

Hi Dorothy, I have only one Alice Spink on my family Tree. She was married to John Puckering on Mar 20th 1768 Hovingham father of John was Thos. Puckering. I don't have any more details on Alice, sorry about that. Maybe the families will mesh when I gain more information? Good luck with your trees Regards Josephine. Ontario Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "getsmart" <getsmart@beeb.net> To: "J Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com>; <:ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] New Subscriber: Interest List of names (SPINK) > Hello Josephine, > > I'm new too, but I noticed the name SPINK. > I have a Joseph SPINK who married Ann Clark at Rise in 1809. > They had five children that I know of, all born in Aldbrough: > George Spink bapt 23.03.1810 > Elizabeth Spink bapt 3.051812 > Ann Spink bapt 21.11.1816 > Mary Spink bapt 8.09.1816 > William Spink bapt 30.06.1818 > > Joseph Spink is on the 1851 Census at Tarnstern with George, Ann, Mary and > William, all still unmarried. > > Elizabeth Spink married John CANHAM 1.11.1838 at Aldburgh Parish Church. > > The 1881 Census gives 71 yr old George and sister Mary (64 years), both > unmarried living in Aldbrough Village. George is given as a retired farmer. > > Any good to you? > > Dorothy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> > To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 5:20 AM > Subject: [ERY] New Subscriber: Interest List of names > > > > Hello I am new to your list. > > At present I have name interests in East Yorkshire, as well as West > > Yorkshire. I was born in East Yorkshire and am now living in Canada. I > > belong to the Sheffield mailing list, and I am fascinated that my family > > too are rumoured to have a connection to Amy Johnson. My cousins tell me > > that the connection comes in through Robert Johnson, who was born in > > Kingston upon Hull. He moved to Sheffield and married a Catherine McKay. > > My GGrandfather and GGrandmother. My Grandmother Mary Johnson married a > > Charles Frederick Dixon (Sheffield)I was told that Amy was a cousin of > > some kind. I found a wonderful account of Amy Johnson on the Internet > > and found that although she was born in Hull, she attended the > > University of Sheffield. She was known as the Worlds 1st woman ground > > mechanic, as well an excellent flyer. Tragically she died in an accident > > while flying a plane from Scotland to a Base in England for the R.A.F. > > in the early 40's. Her plane hit some Barrage balloons over the Thames > > River. A man who jumped in to save her also drowned. She had previously > > had premonitions of drowning... > > Areas of interest: > > EAST ACKLAM > > SETTRINGTON > > BULMER > > Name list for East Yorkshire.: > > ELLIOTT > > GASCOYNE > > MILNER > > COULTAS > > MASON > > JACKSON > > PUCKERING > > HAWKINS > > SPINK > > MOORSOM > > BROUGH > > MOWMAN > > WARDEL > > THORP > > Main lines I am following at present Elliott, Jackson, Hawkins, Gascoyne > > and Milner. Do any of these sound familiar to anyone? Thankyou. > > Josephine, Ontario, Canada. > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list send the command "unsubscribe" to > > ENG-EAST-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > > ENG-EAST-YORKS-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

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Rose-Marie and Graham Hello. My taylors are from Hull. I have 2 lines one mine and one my husband's. I have James Henry Taylor born DERBY OR DERBYSHIRE who married Sarah Cullingworth in Holy Trinity church Hull in 1851. They had 2 children Amelia and Frederick. Frederick had 6 daughters and 1 son one of the daughters was my grandmother. My husband has William Henry who's son Albert was my husband's grandfather. Best regards Carol

Hi Trish, Thankyou for your welcome To East Yorkshire Rootsweb. My Elliotts were from East Acklam by Barthorpe (Malton) THOMAS ELLIOT (ELLIOTT) b. 1880 place unknown. Married 15 July 1802 Acklam by Malton. Had about 14 or 15 children. JANE HAWKINS b. 1881 Thorpe Bassett Although they did have a Sarah, she was born in Acklam in 1817, a little late for your Sarah. I'm sorry I don't know any of the Milner line outside Settrington, although I am hoping to go back from James Milner in 1757. My Milners seem to have moved to Settrington around that time. Can't find them there before that. Anyone know where they might have come from ? any help with this would be appreciated. Also am stuck on Thomas Elliot as he seems to have appeared in Acklam just as suddenly in the early 1800's. Can't seem to pinpoint his parents. Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you Trish. I know one thing. The East Riding of Yorkshire did produce a lot of travelers. I intend to pick up the Johnsons of Hull when I have more time, too busy researching other lines at the moment. Regards, Josephine Ontario, Canada. ,

I don't know how many of you have looked at the Archive CD Project website recently but advance orders are being taken for the 1861 Census for the ERY. There are only 27 orders in so far (one of them is me!) and so the release of this collection of CDs won't happen for a good long time. The cost is only ?25 for the set and it will reduce if lots of people order before publication. So, come on folks - have a look and see if you think it might just be the research aid that would revolutionise your life - or perhaps it is just mildly interesting. The more interest that is expressed the more likely the Project is to go ahead with this section of the census. It is only the cost of a few civil registration certificates (and a lot less than the cost of a trip to the area) and you might find loads of info about your families. Regards Mary Pendlebury Oldham, Lancashire ----Original Message----- From: Rod Neep [mailto:rod.neep@archivecdbooks.org] Sent: 08 February 2003 15:39 A lot of people made similar noises about Yorkshire, therefore I put the East Riding and North Riding 1861 censuses on the shopping cart. (Thinking that I may do the same for Cambs.) To date advance orders are: ERY 27 NRY 26 Which is nowhere near enough to even scratch the surface of meeting costs..... Regards Rod -- ARCHIVE CD BOOKS - old books for genealogists reproduced on CD E-mail: enquiries@archivecdbooks.org Web : http://www.archivecdbooks.org The Archive CD Books Project http://www.archivecdbooks.org For the weekly newsletter subscribe to CDBOOKS-NEWS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hello Pat, I looked through the line of Milners. I Have Mary Milner being born 30th June 1792 taken from the IGI. It lists FHL film # 457037 as the source of information. James Milner and Mary Wardel had 10 children altogether, Mary being the 5th child. Robert Milner Mary's brother, was the 2nd youngest child. All the children were born in Settrington. Also from the IGI: A James Milner married Mary Milner in Settrington 17 December 1814. I did find 3 possible children born to this couple in Settrington. MARTHA MILNER b. 13 May 1816 - Settrington MARY MILNER b. 21 November 1818- Settrington JOHN MILNER b. or christened 1821-22- Settrington Maybe they moved after this? Hope this helps, I'm not sure what our relationship would be if this is proved to be true. I shall therefore think of you as a remote cousin for now, until proved otherwise. Regards, Josephine, Ontario Canada. P.s. would like to know if this helps. know if this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Smith [mailto:darkwing@iafrica.com] Sent: February 9, 2003 11:54 AM To: J Laxton Subject: Re: [ERY] Name Interests more info: re Milner Coultas Lines Hello Josephine, I am researching Milners in Malton and have JAMES MILNER 1757-1790 born SETTRINGTON Married1782 SETTRINGTON MARY WARDEL 1761-? bornSETTRINGTON in my tree because of a possible connection that occurs as follows: A James Milner christened 2 June 1795, Saint Leonard, New Malton (son of John Milner and Ann Rider) is thought to have married a Mary Milner who was, possibly, christened 30 January 1792 at Settrington and who is thought to be a daughter of James Milner and Mary Wardel. I am related to James (1795) as he is a nephew of my 2nd gggrandmother Elleanor Milner who married George Medd. Do you have any info on Mary Milner that could shed any light on the above? Regards, Pat Smith Durban, South Africa

When growing up as a boy in the 1950's we lived in Campion Avenue off Hessle High Road in Hull. John Alderton was our newspaper delivery boy and his mother and father had a grocery shop on the corner of nearby St Nicholas Avenue. My company has just finished the complete re-roofing of the Kingston High School (now know as Pickering High School) and whilst visiting the project I noticed that Amy Johnson's name is included on the Roll of Honour in the entrance.

Amy Johnson's parents lived in Cardigan Rd., Bridlington in the 1930s. As an errand boy I visited their house regularly. I understand that her dad had been a fish salesman on St. Andrews dock in Hull before he retired. Now I have been retired 15 years. Richard Dawson

Hi Folks, Please find below the list of updates and additions to the Genuki Yorkshire site over the past couple of months. It has been brought to my attention that information from the Genuki web-site is being plagiarised on mailing lists (not just the Yorkshire ones, but including them). I should like to point out that whilst you are welcome to use information from Genuki site to answer mailing list questions, it is also obligatory on you to quote the URL of the page from where you obtained the information. This should always be done anyway, and not only for the Genuki pages. Many thanks, Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of G.B & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield), Yorkshire: Past and Present Poulson's Holderness, Turner's Brighouse, etc etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Places in brackets are the relevant (ancient) parishes. Unless otherwise specified, the churches are C of E. Don't forget the surnames interest list for Yorkshire: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -------------------------------------- John Ellerton NRY: Burneston parish registers: 1738-9 Baptisms & marriages. 1780 Marriages 1754-5 Baptisms & marriages. 1784-5 Baptisms -------------------------------------- Bill Henderson WRY: Church photographs Hampsthwaite Ainsty: St. Martin's, Micklegate, York. NRY: Thornton le Street Thornton le Beans South Kilvington - another view -------------------------------------- Janice Wood NRY: Hawnby: Transcription of Rectors Transcription of War Memorial Plaque. -------------------------------------- Justine Cornforth: NRY: Hawnby: BT Marriage transcriptions. ------------------------------------ Angela Petyt: WRY: Wakefield: links to transcripts of census and poor law records. ------------------------------------- Susan Johnson: WRY: transcription of 1837 Huddersfield directory. -------------------------------------- Andy Kerridge: NRY: Bossall: Transcription of History of Sand Hutton Hall. -------------------------------------- Pauline Hinson: ERY: Many links made from parish pages into local web-sites -------------------------------------- Colin Hinson: All the above added to data base and formatted for the web. YKS: Updated detailed map of Yorkshire (and added rivers). Ainsty: York Minster Burials 1624 to 1836 WRY: Links added to all known web-sites for churches in the Ripon/Leeds diocese. NRY: Links added to Christine Amsden's Census transcriptions for Wensleydale and Swaledale.

Dear list, The recent exchanges regarding Amy JOHNSON have reminded me that I do have a JOHNSON connection in my tree, though I have no reason to think it may be related to Amy's line, other than being in Hull. Robert JOHNSON, married Eva SANDERS, in 1891, I believe in Hull. Eva was my gt. gt. aunt. Their first child, also Eva, was born in Hull in 1893. I also know that one of their daughter's, Eliza 'Ethel' JOHNSON, married Earnest FOOT, and they lived around Doncaster, as my mother was briefly evacuated there during the war. I have some other details of other children also. If this rings any bells for someone I would be happy to exchange information. Best wishes Martin Cross Brighton

Christina, It's worth remembering that the Roll is by no means a 'census'. There will have been more people living in each township who are NOT in the roll than are included! And yes, a corselet, is a breastplate. Chris Watson Links to: A Muster Roll of the East Riding of Yorkshire (1636) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1123&item=2707220726&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=2707222127&rd=1 > > Subject: [ERY] East Yorks Muster Rolls 1636 > From: christina wadsworth <c_e_wadsworth@yahoo.co.uk> > > Thanks Chris for transcribing and making these available to all of us. > > It's very interesting to see the distribution of names. I was surprised to find only 1 Dry(e), 1 Hope & 2 Ringroses. Perhaps others were living in the Kingston upon Hull area not covered in your transcription or were amongst the ones that got away. I know that Ringrose originates in East Yorkshire. Perhaps the Hope's & Dry's were incomers. Other names like my Hodgson's & Walker's I found in plentiful numbers. > > It really makes one think about their lives to find that a private individual would own a musket or a corselet & that these would be provided for those that couldn't afford them. > > I assume a corselet is a breastplate? > > Cheers > > Christina >

Hi everyone The names I am researching are GLASBY, TAYLOR, HARPER, CULLINGWORTH, CRABTREE. Do these ring any bells with anyone? Regards Carol