Hello, Apparently this was done for economy, with the clergyman charging less per child for a "job lot". It may also be worth remembering that parents with baptistic beliefs (that is, those who, like Baptists, believe baptism to be a sign which should follow personal belief) would not have had their babies baptised. It is sometimes said that such people believe in "adult baptism", but that is not true; rather, they hold to believers' baptism, which means there is no set minimum age, except inasmuch as the "candidate" has to be old enough to express (and hopefully understand) belief in Jesus Christ. As with multiple baptisms, records of believers' baptism are no guide as to date of birth. Incidentally, going back to the matter of economy, I think I am right in saying that sometimes people chose to be married on Christmas Day because some clergymen would waive their fees on that day. David Lamb (Paignton, Devon, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "getsmart" <getsmart@beeb.net> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: [ERY] Multiple baptisms. > Hi Graham, > > Trawling through parish records, I have found many instances of multiple > baptism. Earlier this evening, at my local LDSFHC, I was going through a > microfilm for Eastry Parish Church, Kent. In the early 1800's there are > several multiple baptisms, as many as four children at once. They all seem > to follow the same pattern: the new baby being baptised along with two or > three older children at the same time. > > One lesson to be learned from this though, is that you cannot assume a year > of birth from a baptism record! > > Dorothy Smart, > > Altrincham, Cheshire. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Varley" <m@mvarley.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:04 PM > Subject: Fw: [ERY] SPINK and HUDSON > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Metcalf" <grahmetc@hotmail.com> > > > > > > I have discovered a connection to my family which has several unusual > features, and > > wonder if there is any other explanation than the obvious. > ............except that > > Margaret and Ann appear to have been Christened on the same day > > in 1798 at North Newbald, along with another sister, Elizabeth. Also, a > few years > > earlier, their two brothers, Thomas and Isaac appear to have also been > christened on the > > same day in 1793! I wonder if the parents, William and Jane Hudson delayed > their > > christenings so they could have several done together?........ > > > > Hi, Graham, > > > > If the family were non-conformists (e.g. Methodists) they may not > > have had their children christened in the Church soon after birth. > However. If the > > family fell on hard times they would probably have had to rely on poor > relief to help > > them out. Poor relief was doled out by the Church and it was often a > requisite that > > recipients had to be C. of E. and their children baptised in the C. > > of E. That could account for the multi-baptisms. > > > > > > Mary > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________

In a message dated 2/14/2003 3:30:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, davidlamb@members.shines.net writes: > people chose to be married on Christmas Day I was under the impression people were married on Christms Day because that was their only day off

Just to follow on that for those that don't know. There is a website for 'late baps' i.e. 4yr olds to adult. http://www.lifeworkpotential.com/genealogy/latebaps/ This happened to me in my research. Three at once, and I still do not know where the family had disappeared to early 1800's. Perhaps decided to save up the offspring until they returned to their home town several years later. Yvonne Leck Teesside getsmart wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Trawling through parish records, I have found many instances of multiple > baptism. Earlier this evening, at my local LDSFHC, I was going through a > microfilm for Eastry Parish Church, Kent. In the early 1800's there are > several multiple baptisms, as many as four children at once. They all seem > to follow the same pattern: the new baby being baptised along with two or > three older children at the same time. > > One lesson to be learned from this though, is that you cannot assume a year > of birth from a baptism record! > > Dorothy Smart, > > Altrincham, Cheshire. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Varley" <m@mvarley.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:04 PM > Subject: Fw: [ERY] SPINK and HUDSON > > > >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Graham Metcalf" <grahmetc@hotmail.com> >> >>>>I have discovered a connection to my family which has several unusual >>> > features, and > >>wonder if there is any other explanation than the obvious. > > ............except that > >>Margaret and Ann appear to have been Christened on the same day >> in 1798 at North Newbald, along with another sister, Elizabeth. Also, a > > few years > >>earlier, their two brothers, Thomas and Isaac appear to have also been > > christened on the > >>same day in 1793! I wonder if the parents, William and Jane Hudson delayed > > their > >>christenings so they could have several done together?........ >> >>Hi, Graham, >> >>If the family were non-conformists (e.g. Methodists) they may not >>have had their children christened in the Church soon after birth. > > However. If the > >>family fell on hard times they would probably have had to rely on poor > > relief to help > >>them out. Poor relief was doled out by the Church and it was often a > > requisite that > >>recipients had to be C. of E. and their children baptised in the C. >>of E. That could account for the multi-baptisms. >> >>>Mary >>> >> >>______________________________ > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Admin send mail to , > ENG-EAST-YORKS-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Graham, Trawling through parish records, I have found many instances of multiple baptism. Earlier this evening, at my local LDSFHC, I was going through a microfilm for Eastry Parish Church, Kent. In the early 1800's there are several multiple baptisms, as many as four children at once. They all seem to follow the same pattern: the new baby being baptised along with two or three older children at the same time. One lesson to be learned from this though, is that you cannot assume a year of birth from a baptism record! Dorothy Smart, Altrincham, Cheshire. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Varley" <m@mvarley.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:04 PM Subject: Fw: [ERY] SPINK and HUDSON > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Metcalf" <grahmetc@hotmail.com> > > > > I have discovered a connection to my family which has several unusual features, and > wonder if there is any other explanation than the obvious. ............except that > Margaret and Ann appear to have been Christened on the same day > in 1798 at North Newbald, along with another sister, Elizabeth. Also, a few years > earlier, their two brothers, Thomas and Isaac appear to have also been christened on the > same day in 1793! I wonder if the parents, William and Jane Hudson delayed their > christenings so they could have several done together?........ > > Hi, Graham, > > If the family were non-conformists (e.g. Methodists) they may not > have had their children christened in the Church soon after birth. However. If the > family fell on hard times they would probably have had to rely on poor relief to help > them out. Poor relief was doled out by the Church and it was often a requisite that > recipients had to be C. of E. and their children baptised in the C. > of E. That could account for the multi-baptisms. > > > > Mary > > > > ______________________________

Hi Has any SKS the census index for Easington? I am looking for the surname HIRD, I am trying to locate where a branch of my family disappeared to missing from the local 1891 census. I know Robert HIRD was b1824 Ashby Lincs and he died before 1896, he was a grocer. I have just come across a possible entry for him on Free BMD Hird Robert aged 71 Easington Dec 1895. His wife had other family members who had moved to Hull/Sculcoates and surrounding areas. Best Wishes Maria Home page URL is: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/o/r/Maria-Borrill/

Hi All I am looking for connections to my KENDALL Clan who ended up in the Hull/ Sculcoates areas. My first one is a bit of a puzzle. George KENDALL b1826 Ashby Lincs a Cab Proprietor is shown on the 1851&1861 census with Elizabeth ?? b1821 Worlaby Lincs and children :- 1851 1 Sylvester Square, 122 Sylvester Street Mary (baptised Mary Elizabeth 1844 Worlaby) George b1848 Hull and 1861 18 Windsor St North Myton Elizabeth (Mary Elizabeth same age as above) George b1848 Hull Fanny b1852 Hull Tom b1849 Hull I haven't been able to locate the family on the 1871 but in the 1871 Trade directory he is listed as being at 50 Walmsley Street. Here's the riddle on the 1881 census Sculcoates RG11/4759/f16 George KENDALL M 55 M Ashby, Lincoln, England Occ: Coach Proprietor Elizabeth KENDALL M 52 F Hull, York, England plus a nephew Elizabeth has aged 8 years and birth place has changed OK an error in recording the details has occurred somewhere. Well that's what I thought until I tried looking for some of the children that are no longer listed found what appears to be my Elizabeth now claiming to be a widow and son George 11 Grange Terrace Grange St Ref RG11/4763/f72 Elizh. KENDALL W 63 F Worlaby, Rel: Head Occ: Laundress George KENDALL U 33 M Hull, York, England Rel: Son Occ: No Occupation Can anyone locate George and family on the 1871 census, or Elizabeth born in Worlaby and son George on the 1891 census? Any ideas as to why/how there appear to be two Elizabeth's, Divorce perhaps?? Or George and first Elizabeth may never of married I am still trying to locate marriage. Best Wishes Maria Home page URL is: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/o/r/Maria-Borrill/

Dorothy wrote:> > One lesson to be learned from this though, is that you cannot assume a year > > of birth from a baptism record! However, it is also true that sometimes records lists birthdates as baptisms - I had a whole list of family members for whom the records listed the dates as baptisms, when in fact it was their birthdates! Only getting the birth certficates may clear this up!! Kerry in rainy Oregon

Thanks to Kerry, Mary and Wendy for your helpful suggestions. Multiple baptisms are obviously more common than I had imagined! Graham. _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk

In message <068401c2d10e$e04cc4b0$0100a8c0@OFFICE>, Brenda Green <brenda@yorkshireancestors.com> writes >S & N Genealogy supplies are also producing all the censuses for the whole >of Yorkshire on CD or DVD. £49.95 pre-release price (but covers the whole >of Yorkshire not just the East Riding) They hope all the Yorkshire ones >will be available by the end of the year and both 1861 and 1901 should be >available by the 'end of spring' One wonders, with so much out there to be scanned and published, why there is this duplication of effort? If Rod Neep has the better equipment, surely he should be left to get on with it, if the other folks have better equipment, surely Rod should get on with something different? John -- John Rouse, searching for PARR and TINDILL in Yorkshire.

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Metcalf" <grahmetc@hotmail.com> > > I have discovered a connection to my family which has several unusual features, and wonder if there is any other explanation than the obvious. ............except that Margaret and Ann appear to have been Christened on the same day in 1798 at North Newbald, along with another sister, Elizabeth. Also, a few years earlier, their two brothers, Thomas and Isaac appear to have also been christened on the same day in 1793! I wonder if the parents, William and Jane Hudson delayed their christenings so they could have several done together?........ Hi, Graham, If the family were non-conformists (e.g. Methodists) they may not have had their children christened in the Church soon after birth. However. If the family fell on hard times they would probably have had to rely on poor relief to help them out. Poor relief was doled out by the Church and it was often a requisite that recipients had to be C. of E. and their children baptised in the C. of E. That could account for the multi-baptisms. > > Mary >

Hi everyone, I have discovered a connection to my family which has several unusual features, and wonder if there is any other explanation than the obvious. It concerns two families in the adjacent villages of Sancton and North Newbald. Thomas Spink married Margaret Hudson in 1826, then a few years later in 1835 appears to have married her sister, Ann Hudson. Nothing too unusual here, except that Margaret and Ann appear to have been Christened on the same day in 1798 at North Newbald, along with another sister, Elizabeth. Also, a few years earlier, their two brothers, Thomas and Isaac appear to have also been christened on the same day in 1793! I wonder if the parents, William and Jane Hudson delayed their christenings so they could have several done together? The information is via the IGI. If anyone has any ideas or indeed any connection to theses families I would love to hear from you. Graham, York. _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059

While a number of people are looking for JOHNSON, I thought it would be timely to throw mine into the pile as well. Elizabeth JOHNSON married Robert DORSEY at Warter ERY in 1709. Elizabeth died in Warter 1729. I know neither Elizabeth's date and place of birth, nor the names of her parents. As it is highly likely Elizabeth is a direct grandparent of our family, there is no going back on her line until I find further details. In order to try and calculate a possible birth date, I do know that Elizabeth had 9 children baptised between the years of 1710 and 1729. If one uses 15 years as a beginning age for childbearing and possibly marriage, then Elizabeth would most likely to have been born between 1680 and 1695. In conclusion if anyone has a spare Elizabeth that fits the above and could possibly be the same one I am looking for, I would be interested to hear from you. Lillian Dorsey Researching DORSEY,DOSSER,DORSE, anywhere in England

He was a wholesale fish merchant on St Andrew's Dock - my father was secretary of the fish merchant's association and knew him well. Conrad Plowman > Amy Johnson's parents lived in Cardigan Rd., Bridlington in the 1930s. As > an errand boy I visited their house regularly. I understand that her dad > had been a fish salesman on St. Andrews dock in Hull before he retired. Now > I have been retired 15 > years. > > Richard Dawson >

Desperately looking for death notices for my two sisters, Joan & Eva Mear, who both died within weeks of each other in the 1920's. Also any info. on my grandmother, Florence Mear, who died in Staddlethorpe in the 1940's.

Dear list, All the recent mail about Johnson has caused me to resurrect my Johnsons in the hope that someone may have a connection. Joseph Robert Johnson, a baker, born 1813 in Hull. His wife Hannah Atkinson born 1836 in Hexham. They had four children, all girls. Kate Johnson born 5 Sep 1865 in Hull Amelia Johnson born 4 Jun 1867 in Sutton Ann Johnson born 19 Mar 1870 in Drypool, Hull Ada Johnson (my grandmother) born 1877 Sculcoates, died 23 Jul 1945, Gainsborough. I had cherished the hope that perhaps Amelia might have been the famous Amy but I guess the age is wrong. Too bad. Best wishes John John Wright Scarborough, Canada

Dear Friends, Both my reference books refer to Kirk Ella. The following has been taken from Arthur Mee's Yorkshire (East Riding with York) publication (6th impression February 1950), pages 186 & 187: "TRANBY CROFT: "KIRK ELLA. Attractive new houses have come to this old place just outside Hull, and its hall is used by golfers, but the ancient church still stands, and between this village and Cottingham is a farmhouse with stones of a 14th century priory in its walls. "The handsome church tower, thought to have been built in 1562, has a curious appearance with light stone walls climbing up to battlements and pinnacles like a black crown. A niche over the west window has a statue of St. Andrew, the patron saint. The chancel and the nave arcades are 13th century, the chancel divided from the nave by an oddly shaped arch, and finding its glory in a lovely array of lancet windows - a row of six in the south wall and a charming group of three in the east wall with curtain arches and slender shafts. "In the modern oak screen across the north aisle is a beautiful entrance arch of the 14th century, reminding us of a church doorway with its rich mouldings, six shafts, and traceried spandrels; and remains of other medieval woodwork are in the screen across the tower. "Joseph SYKES, a Hull merchant who was mayor of his town and died in Trafalgar year, has an ornate white monument showing him emerging from his tomb, a trumpeting angel above, and below him a panel carved with allegorical figures. Round the panel are bales of goods, a ship, an anvil, scales, and the seated figure of a woman with a winged staff round which two serpents are entwined. "In the modern church at Anlaby, near by, is a memorial to Arthur WILSON, brother of the first Lord Nunburnholme, and one of the builders of the fleet of vessels known as the Wilson Line. One of the ablest of the business men who built up the property of Hull last century, he was known far and wide for his hospitality at Tranby Croft, his beautiful home at Anlaby. It was during a visit of the Prince of Wales last century that one of the guests was accused of cheating at cards, the case coming into the courts and creating a national sensation. Arthur WILSON has been sleeping in the cemetery since 1909, and Tranby Croft is now the office of the Wilson Line." From: Yorkshire - The East Riding by Geoffrey N. Wright, published 1976, pages 144 & 145. "...............The road leaving the eastern end of Welton village leads to Melton, where a left turn takes you past a huge quarry to Swanland, continuing into the outer suburbs of Hull at Kirk Ella, where there is an unusually splendid church with an eight-pinnacled tower and an array of excellent monuments. The old house of the village are around the church, with a timber-framed one to its west, and eighteenth-century Wolfreton Hall Hall on the south. Like so many villages close to Hull, the surviving older parts manage to retain some of their former character and dignity against the thrust of new housing estates and fast urban roads, one of which, the A164 leads northwards towards more open countryside." Regards, Barbara, Auckland, New Zealand

From: Yorkshire - The East Riding by Geoffrey N. Wright, published 1976, pages 70, and 73-74: "A road leads south from Patrington towards the flattest landscape in Yorkshire. Sunk Island is a parish created in 1831, the outcome of centuries of reclamation of siltlands from the Humber. Today, no part of Sunk Island is more than 15 feet above sea level; large rectangular fields, flanked by drains, grow fine cereal crops. Hedgerow elms stand sentinel against the low skyline, and the few scattered farms have names as uncompromising as the sombre scenery - East Bank, Stone Creek, Channel, White House, West, Newlands and Outstray - each established over 100 years ago, though some may well have occupied sites used centuries earlier. The next few paragraphs report about how the silt built up in this area, about the great storm in 1256, and how the farmland was developed. It continues.................. "Indeed, in 1695, 13 acres of Sunk Sands were embanked to create the nucleus of Sunk Island, and the havens were beginning to silt up. "By 1742 the sands covered about 2,000 acres, and extended for a length of two miles. William CONSTABLE, of Burton Constable, initiated serious attemps at draining the sands of Cherry Cobb and Sunk Island. The work was completed in 1770. Sunk Island continued to grow westwards so that by 1800 the two islands were joined by sandbanks and mudflats, and in 1831 the new parish of Sunk Island was created as part of the Holderness mainland - 6,000 acres of rich soil, well-drained and full of promise. "Sunk Island is a Crown estate. Some of its 15 farms, as well as many of the cottages, carry a 'V.R.' monogram, and often a crown, on their front walls, together with a date, usually in the 1850s when most of the building was carried out. The familiar red brick of Holderness was used together with slate for the roofs. Some of the houses have strange gables, one pair of cottages near the church seems to be an early 'semi-detached,' and the very plain church was built in 1877. "No road runs eastwards or westwards from Sunk Island. The Winestead Drain and the Keyingham Drain, cut in the late 18th century, are not bridged in their lower sections. So Sunk Island is still, in a way, an island, where the roads go through right-angled bends......................" If anyone would like further info, please let me know. Barbara, Auckland, New Zealand

Hi David et al, There are (were) two types of counties - the counties as we know them now, and the "counties corporate". A county corporate is a place invested with particular priviledges by charter or Royal grant. Hull is (was) one of these, but there were lots of them around the country - to quote from an 1868 gazetteer: EXETER, a city, seaport, municipal, and parliamentary borough, being the county town of the county of Devon, and a shire of itself, but locally situated in the hundred of Wonford, South Devon. HULL, (or Kingston upon Hull) a municipal and parliamentary borough and seaport and a county in itself, in the East Riding of Yorkshire. "Shire" means the same as county (either type). These counties would be described as above or "of its own jurisdiction", but each would be in the relevant county - e.g. Devon or the East Riding of Yorkshire for the two above. There is no Chapman code for any of these corporate counties (incidently, there is no Chapman code for York and the Ainsty wapentake which causes all sorts of problems). David: I don't know how you got to the History of Hull without going through the Hull parish page, but if you have a look at the Hull parish page by going to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ then to "Towns and parishes" then to "East Riding" then to "Hull" you will find the paragraph I was referring to. On the East Riding parishes page you will also find links to Kirk Ella, North Ferriby, Hessle etc. with descriptions for each from the 1823 gazetteer and directories. If you go to "Maps" on the main Genuki Yorkshire page, you will find a link to the map of the wapentakes. This includes all the wapentakes for Yorkshire and also shows Hull. The (much more) detailed map shows nearly all of the places in Yorkshire and identifies each of the parishes (including Sunk Island<g>). If you use Parloc please be sure that you know what you are getting from this, particularly for Yorkshire. The parishes given in Parloc are not from one particular date, and no distinction is made in a lot of cases between ecclesiastical (i.e. those with parish records) and civil parishes (those with no parish records unless they had the same name and were co-extensive with the ecclesiastical parish). If you are not aware of this, you may well start looking for parish records that don't exist. It is for this reason that the Genuki pages are set up in the period before civil parishes came into being and that they deal with the 600+ Ancient parishes. Although I say it myself, you will get much better results from the "nearby places" arrow at the top of each of these parish pages (or the "Where is it in Yorkshire" pages) than you will from Parloc when dealing with places in Yorkshire. Best wishes, Colin Hinson In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K. Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ Rare Books on CD: http://www.blunham.demon.co.uk/CDroms/ Baine's & Bulmers directories, History of Craven, Heywood/Northowram, National gazetteer of G.B & Ireland, Whelan's York & NRY Hunter's Hallamshire (Sheffield), Yorkshire: Past and Present Poulson's Holderness, Turner's Brighouse, etc etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, How confusing our county system can be, even for people who live here in the UK, let alone those who live elsewhere in the world! I must admit that I had never heard of Hullshire, or of Hull being a county. A "Google" search for Hullshire led me to a website about the history of the village of Kirk Ella, at: http://www.homestead.com/kirkellaandwestella/Kirkhistory.html which includes the following: "We find that 'Kirk-Elley' as the village was referred to in 1440, together with other local villages formed the County of Hullshire...." What seems strange is that (as far as I know) there is no Chapman code for Hullshire, and it doesn't appear as a county on the 1881 Census, on the website of the Association of British Counties, on the "ParLoc" program, or indeed on any other source listing UK counties which I have seen. I am certainly not saying that Colin is wrong, but I just wonder if the word "county", when used in phrases like "City and County of" means something different to what it does when used to describe places such as Essex, Worcestershire or Cornwall. Was it perhaps an early version of what we now refer to as unitary authorities? There is a downloadable map at: http://www.budd.karoo.net/Eriding.jpg It is dated 1884, and entitled "Map of the East Riding of Yorkshire. Shewing the Boundaries of Holderness & Hullshire." That title, plus the fact the words "East Riding" on the map itself extend over the parts shown as "Holdernesss" and "Hullshire" would seem to indicate that Hullshire and Holderness were parts (subdivisions?) of the East Riding of Yorkshire. Just a small point, which I only mention hopefully to avoid further confusion - Colin wrote: "The same Genuki page also tells you that Hull (or Hullshire) is a county." If we are both talking about the same page (Part 1 of "A History of Hull") then the words about Hullshire/Hull being a county, are, like the whole page, quoted from "A History of Kingston on Hull" from Bulmer's Gazetteer, dated 1892. I am fairly certain that there is no longer a county called "Hullshire". Thanks, Colin, for pointing out where Sunk Island is - I have now also seen it on the downlowdable map I mentioned above. David Lamb (Paignton, Devon, UK)

Thanx Barbara for posting this great bit of geography on the list. If others have more articles that would help us to understand the lives of our ancestors we would all benefit. Kind of you to take the time! June BC Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA MANSELL" <barbara.mansell@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [ERY] SUNK ISLAND > From: Yorkshire - The East Riding by Geoffrey N. Wright, published 1976, pages 70, and 73-74: > > "A road leads south from Patrington towards the flattest landscape in Yorkshire. Sunk Island is a parish created in 1831, the outcome of centuries of reclamation of siltlands from the Humber. Today, no part of Sunk Island is more than 15 feet above sea level; large rectangular fields, flanked by drains, grow fine cereal crops. Hedgerow elms stand sentinel against the low skyline, and the few scattered farms have names as uncompromising as the sombre scenery - East Bank, Stone Creek, Channel, White House, West, Newlands and Outstray - each established over 100 years ago, though some may well have occupied sites used centuries earlier. <SNIP> > "No road runs eastwards or westwards from Sunk Island. The Winestead Drain and the Keyingham Drain, cut in the late 18th century, are not bridged in their lower sections. So Sunk Island is still, in a way, an island, where the roads go through right-angled bends......................" > > If anyone would like further info, please let me know. > Barbara, Auckland, New Zealand ______________________________

I bought an old photograph at a collectors fair of a Victorian Lady. The dress style looks to date to late Victorian. On the back is the name Annie Clark, 1 De Grey Terrace, Hull. It is so rare to find a name on the back of these sorts of photographs. I wondered if anyone has any idea who she was? I have looked in the 1881 census for Hull and could not find her. Any connections please contact me. I have Clark connections myself, but mine were from Kirby Moorside circa early 19th Century. However their descendants could have moved to Hull, and the dress she is wearing is very similar to one in a photograph I have of my GGGrandmother who was brought up by the Clark family of Kirby Moorside. Andy Sefton Pocklington