On 2 Sep 2005 at 8:04, Robin Wainwright wrote: > Here are two definitions: > > Idiot > A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three > years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard > against > common dangers. > > Imbecile > A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of > from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of > communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. This is a difficult area as these two definitions could apply to those who are simply deaf with speech difficulties. These deaf people cannot in any way be described by either of the two definitions. Unfortunately when people meet deaf people they think they have no intelligence whatsoever. There are deaf people around who have managed to get a good education and even obtain a PhD but are still treated as of low intelligence. Victor

Hi Kathy I believe as late as the 1930s these were commonly used medical definitions in hospitals. In 1974 Mencap published a book "Tongue Tied" by John Joseph Deacon. Following a severe fall as an infant and the death of his mother, his father had to place him in an institution. He was unable to communicate until years later he met another man who could understand him. This was realted to another man who typed the story. Horizon produced a superb film, called I believe "Joey" about his life and at one stage he was being examined by doctors. One said, "Wel he's not an idiot and he's not an imbecile so he must be a cretin" Otherwise he wouldn't be there. (I am not sure exactly which condition was agreed. The book is till available from Amazon but I suspect the Horizon problem has long gone. This programme had a profound effect on me as I worked in adult education and provided courses in a Cheshire Home and later in hospitals for people with learning disabilities. I am very vocal myself and this helped me to see that people I could not understand were not to be seen as incapable. Here are two definitions: Idiot A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. Imbecile A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. Robi Wainwright - Bristol UK

Victor Many thanks for your assistance. I recently managed to obtain a bool called "A Noth-East Coast Town" Ordeal and Triumph. It is the Story of Kingston Upon Hull in the 1939-1945 Great War. The book has many photographs. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of Osborne Street. As well as the place of my mother's birth nearly all my Uncles and Aunties were born there also. Once again many thanks Brian Australia ( As a family we immigrated to Austalia in 1950) > Osbourne Street is where Hull Brewery used to have their brewery. It is also where the > department store Edwin Davis was. The building is still there but empty and will soon be > demolished. > > There are no houses in the street but my guess is they could have been bombed in the > last war. > > That is how I have seen Osbourne Street. > > I have just been looking at a book called 'Forgotten Hull' by Graham Wilkinson so I will > be scanning some pages from this book and will send these off list. it could be that > Osbourne Street as it is now may not be the same one when your mother was born. > > Victor > > On 1 Sep 2005 at 11:43, Brian Westwood wrote: > > > I am trying to obtain information on or about Osbourne Street. Hull. Can anyone assist me. > > This is where my Mother was born in 1922. > > > > Brian > > Australia. > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > To post to the list address message to, > > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I work in a home for service users with a learning disability and on some of their personal files up to the 1950's the terms idiot, lunatic, imbecile were used then and one is an epileptic and one has a speech impairment but both intelligent men. Kathy

Hi Brian You could try this web site, it may assist. Hull is my home town, but my memories of Osbourne St. are very vague. www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk Good luck Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Westwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: [ERY] Information >I am trying to obtain information on or about Osbourne Street. Hull. Can >anyone assist me. > This is where my Mother was born in 1922. > > Brian > Australia. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To post to the list address message to, > [email protected] > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.16/83 - Release Date: 26/08/2005 > >

I am researching the HARRISON family from the area around Catton, Wilberfoss,Kexby, Elvington, Wheldrake and would be pleased to hear from anyone with a similar interest. My family tree can be found at www.mjfh1.demon.co.uk/famtree.htm Michael Harrison

I am trying to obtain information on or about Osbourne Street. Hull. Can anyone assist me. This is where my Mother was born in 1922. Brian Australia.

Brian, Do you have an exact address? The even numbers were on the north side of the street. Behind the shops and houses fronting the street there were also many courts and yards with houses, especially on the north side. I think that many of these were probably cleared before WWII in slum clearances. There was allso bomb damage. I have a photograph from c1940/1941 of the north side taken from the corner of Waterhouse Lane showing destruction of properties (probaably Nos. 2 - 10) and the Methodist Chapel. Beyond this Nos. 12 and 14 are still there, but beyond ths are what look like factory buildings, which makes me think that some of the housing had been cleared and redeveloped before WWII. Regards Chris Watson --- Brian Westwood <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to obtain information on or about > Osbourne Street. Hull. Can anyone assist me. > This is where my Mother was born in 1922. > > Brian > Australia. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To post to the list address message to, > [email protected] > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death > Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Brian Osbourne Street is where Hull Brewery used to have their brewery. It is also where the department store Edwin Davis was. The building is still there but empty and will soon be demolished. There are no houses in the street but my guess is they could have been bombed in the last war. That is how I have seen Osbourne Street. I have just been looking at a book called 'Forgotten Hull' by Graham Wilkinson so I will be scanning some pages from this book and will send these off list. it could be that Osbourne Street as it is now may not be the same one when your mother was born. Victor On 1 Sep 2005 at 11:43, Brian Westwood wrote: > I am trying to obtain information on or about Osbourne Street. Hull. Can anyone assist me. > This is where my Mother was born in 1922. > > Brian > Australia. > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To post to the list address message to, > [email protected] > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

I have found this marriage on the IGI between George Waters and Elizabeth Johnson. 22 JAN 1828 Saint Martin And Saint Gregory, York, Yorkshire, I am desperate to find any details of George. His age place of birth or his Parents. Would it be possible for sks to check the original Parish Register next time they are in the Borthwick institute. I have all the information on Elizabeth and their 3 children Its just George that is causing me a problem. Thanks in advance Jane

Radio York has just mentioned an event tomorrow 1st September at National Railway Museum York,Launch of a book about Railway Women from 1830's. Sounds very interesting . There is a website www.railwaywomen.co.uk Don't think I have any but could be very interesting for anyone with family involved with railways. Valerie N Yorks

Just following the recent thread on census indexes The East Yorkshire FHS now have available Indexes to the 1871 Census Beverley and Patrington registration districts The Beverley one covers a wide area out westwards as far as South Cave and northwards to include Beswick and Kilnwick. See www.eyfhs.org.uk

Hi Les, I think your William Peacock had moved to Kimberworth by 1891. Have found him with his wife Charlotte A and son William M . regards Janet

Could SKS help lookup 1891 Derby William peacock age abt 30 born goole thanks in advance Regards Les

Hello listers Thanks to lots of assistance from you the Brown side of my ancestry is now clearly established. I have one problem - where was John Brown in 1851? I can't find him anywhere. He would have been about 30. He was a seaman, and possibly at sea, but an old family tale related that he was at one time in prison, and that is the reason why two of his sons were packed off to Sheffield to be apprenticed. I would have discounted this but for the fact that a recently discovered 3rd cousin who I have never met, also knows this story. Is there a grain of truth in this?. He changes his place of birth to Hull instead of Bridlington Quay in all later censuses. The two boy were certainly apprenticed in the early 1850s, and the link with Sheffield goes back 2 generations previously to an earlier wandering Brown who finished up there and married a Sheffield woman. But I am baffled by John's disappearance and reappearance. HAs anyone got any suggestions? Chris Roderick

Image sent directly from Ancestry.co.uk Victor On 28 Aug 2005 at 22:16, Phil Walton wrote: > Hi Bill > > The image is a jpeg file which you can manipulate with a photo viewer > programme like adobe photoshop. If you dont have such a programme you > should have Paint bundled with your Windows programme. To find Paint if > you've necer used it before, click on the Start button, then All Programmes, > then Accessories, then Paint. Open the file in Paint and click on File, > then Page Set Up. Choose Landscape Orientation, then Fit To 1 by 1 pages, > then click on OK. If you now choose Print, you should get a hard copy. > > Hope this helps. > > Phil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill & Ellen Harrison" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:47 PM > Subject: [ERY] HARRISON 1871 image - not printable > > > > Phil~ > > Thanks for sending the image of Benjamin HARRISON, and wife Harriett, > > Wilberfoss Township. > > Unfortunately, we have been trying to print the image that you sent, > > but without success. > > We have tried different ways too. > > Sorry, is there another way to send it, or, if someone else has a way, > > I would surely appreciate it. > > > > > > Subject: Re: [ERY] 1871 Census for Benjamin HARRISON (brother to John) > > > > > > > Image sent off list > > > > > > Phil Walton > > > Leeds, UK > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > If your stuck ask for help but remember lookups are hard work on > un-indexed census > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > If your stuck ask for help but remember lookups are hard work on un-indexed census > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Bill The image is a jpeg file which you can manipulate with a photo viewer programme like adobe photoshop. If you dont have such a programme you should have Paint bundled with your Windows programme. To find Paint if you've necer used it before, click on the Start button, then All Programmes, then Accessories, then Paint. Open the file in Paint and click on File, then Page Set Up. Choose Landscape Orientation, then Fit To 1 by 1 pages, then click on OK. If you now choose Print, you should get a hard copy. Hope this helps. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Ellen Harrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [ERY] HARRISON 1871 image - not printable > Phil~ > Thanks for sending the image of Benjamin HARRISON, and wife Harriett, > Wilberfoss Township. > Unfortunately, we have been trying to print the image that you sent, > but without success. > We have tried different ways too. > Sorry, is there another way to send it, or, if someone else has a way, > I would surely appreciate it. > > > Subject: Re: [ERY] 1871 Census for Benjamin HARRISON (brother to John) > > > > Image sent off list > > > > Phil Walton > > Leeds, UK > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > If your stuck ask for help but remember lookups are hard work on un-indexed census > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Image sent off list Phil Walton Leeds, UK ===>===>===>===>===>==="===<===<===<===<===<=== Looking for the parents of Robert WATSON born c1802 in Kirton in Holland LIN died before 8 April 1883 ===>===>===>===>===>==="===<===<===<===<===<=== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Ellen Harrison" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [ERY] 1871 Census for Benjamin HARRISON (brother to John) > I would be exceptionally pleased if I could possible > receive an image of : > > 1871 Census of Wilberfoss area for my Grt.Uncle:- > > Benjamin HARRISON abt. 38 born in Elvington, E.Yorkshire > Harriet (wife) abt. 38 born in Howsham, E.Yorkshire > > I have the 1851 census showing one child John HARRISON age 1. > > Many thanks, > Bill Harrison, > Canada. > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > If your stuck ask for help but remember lookups are hard work on un-indexed census > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you to everyone who replied to my request. What a great lot you are on this Rootsweb !! Ken.

Image sent off list Victor On 28 Aug 2005 at 13:41, Bill & Ellen Harrison wrote: > > > Could some kind person do a look-up for me please, > for my Grt. Uncle:- > > Township of Wilberfoss 1861 Census:- > > John HARRISON 42 born in Elvington, E.Yorkshire > Mary DUGGLEBY 28 born in Bishop Wilton > > I am interested in the children within this marriage, as > John was previously married to Jane who was born in > Barmby Moor and is on the 1851 census with 2 children; > George Norton HARRISON age 9 & William HARRISON > age 7. > > Thanks, Bill Harrison > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >