Thank you very much Graham Metcalf and Richard Britton for your very helpful guidance which has been fruitful. The 1854 map has given me one of the fields (Dovecote) plus an aerial view and I am working on the others. Thank you, Richard, for the local contacts, which I shall endeavour to take up. I uncovered these field names, by the way, as a result of seeing Thomas Harrison's Will in which the fields were listed.

Michael, Try this link as well, it might give some clues. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=23014 Graham >From: "M. Harrison" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ERY] Wheldrake >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:35:58 -0000 > >Does anyone in the group live in/know about Wheldrake? My ggg grandfather >Thomas HARRISON farmed there around 1820-40. I know the names of the >fields he leased and I wonder if anybody might be able to identify where >the fields are. Some have quaint names! They are > >Dovecoat Orchard >Dovecoat field >First Hipper Pudding >Long Close/Fog Close >Second Hipper Pudding >Little Ing > >Michael Harrison > > >==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== >This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep >it interesting. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Michael, Have a look at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/. Type in Wheldrake and click around the map. Regards, Graham >From: "M. Harrison" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [ERY] Wheldrake >Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:35:58 -0000 > >Does anyone in the group live in/know about Wheldrake? My ggg grandfather >Thomas HARRISON farmed there around 1820-40. I know the names of the >fields he leased and I wonder if anybody might be able to identify where >the fields are. Some have quaint names! They are > >Dovecoat Orchard >Dovecoat field >First Hipper Pudding >Long Close/Fog Close >Second Hipper Pudding >Little Ing > >Michael Harrison > > >==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== >This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep >it interesting. > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Judith Surely it was West Riding up to 1974 and is now in North yorkshihre Richared Dawson (not the Richard who has previously been helpful in your enquiry)

Ooooooooops. So sorry about this, I don't know where I got mixed up. Always thought it was in the East Riding then yesterday someone told me it was in the NORTH Riding. I am a member of both Yorksgen and the West Riding list so will try there. Many thanks for pointing out my mistake. Many thanks Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard W. Harris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:53 AM Subject: RE: [ERY] RE: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D Digest V05 #228 > Judith, > > I suspect the reason you are only getting messages to tell you the > location > of Hillam, without answering your specific question, is because Hillam is > in > the West Riding and not the East Riding. Whilst that does not preclude > members of the ERY list from knowing the answer, you might be better off > posting your enquiry on the YORKSGEN list. > > Regards > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > > It is the house I am interested in. I know where Hillam is but not if the > house is still in existance. > Many thanks for your reply. > Kind regards > Judith > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Other Rootsweb Genealogy Lists > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Judith, What is particularly confusing is that if you go to the GENUKI "Where is it in Yorkshire" site it lists Hillam in the West Riding parish of Monk Fryston (I have ancestors from both villages) but on that site you will find links to the current web-site of both villages which describe them as "A Village in North Yorkshire". You may already have discovered this but if you go to the Hillam web-site and click on the general history tab you will find that Bulmers 1822 directory lists a John Gilliam as a butcher. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: Judith Kettlewell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ERY] RE: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D Digest V05 #228 Ooooooooops. So sorry about this, I don't know where I got mixed up. Always thought it was in the East Riding then yesterday someone told me it was in the NORTH Riding. I am a member of both Yorksgen and the West Riding list so will try there. Many thanks for pointing out my mistake. Many thanks Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard W. Harris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:53 AM Subject: RE: [ERY] RE: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D Digest V05 #228 > Judith, > > I suspect the reason you are only getting messages to tell you the > location > of Hillam, without answering your specific question, is because Hillam is > in > the West Riding and not the East Riding. Whilst that does not preclude > members of the ERY list from knowing the answer, you might be better off > posting your enquiry on the YORKSGEN list. > > Regards > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > > It is the house I am interested in. I know where Hillam is but not if the > house is still in existance. > Many thanks for your reply. > Kind regards > Judith > > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Other Rootsweb Genealogy Lists > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== If your stuck ask for help but remember lookups are hard work on un-indexed census ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005

Judith, I suspect the reason you are only getting messages to tell you the location of Hillam, without answering your specific question, is because Hillam is in the West Riding and not the East Riding. Whilst that does not preclude members of the ERY list from knowing the answer, you might be better off posting your enquiry on the YORKSGEN list. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- It is the house I am interested in. I know where Hillam is but not if the house is still in existance. Many thanks for your reply. Kind regards Judith

Hi It is the house I am interested in. I know where Hillam is but not if the house is still in existance. Many thanks for your reply. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: [ERY] RE: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D Digest V05 #228 > > HILLAM, in the parish of Monk-Fryston, wapentake of Barkston-Ash; 4 miles > from > Ferrybridge, 6 from Pontefract, 7 from Selby. > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > Christmas gift ideas and festive features - visit the Tiscali Christmas > microsite. > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/christmas > > > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

It is most definitely Hillam. I know where it is, it is the house I am interested in. Many thanks for your reply and interest. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] Prospect House, Hillam > Judith > I'v never heard of Hillam. Could it be Kilham? > > Richard > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep > it interesting. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi I know where Hillam is, it is the house I am interested in. I am sure that if I make enquiries in the village I will be told if it still exists, Many thanks for your reply. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [ERY] Prospect House, Hillam > In answer to your Query . It is Hillam asmall hamlet near Selby > > > ==== ENG-EAST-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To post to the list address message to, > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Does anyone in the group live in/know about Wheldrake? My ggg grandfather Thomas HARRISON farmed there around 1820-40. I know the names of the fields he leased and I wonder if anybody might be able to identify where the fields are. Some have quaint names! They are Dovecoat Orchard Dovecoat field First Hipper Pudding Long Close/Fog Close Second Hipper Pudding Little Ing Michael Harrison

I have a George Kirby who married Eleanor Dorothy Turner Sept qtr 1903 at Hull I can find Eleanor on the 1901 but I am having difficulty finding George because there are quite a few on the 1901 and I do not have his fathers name. Hopefully there is some other person reseaching these names Marianne

Hi Everyone I'm new to this list, hoping I'm on the right one. Is the 1841 and 1851 Census searchable, Looking for William BOLTON born abt 1800, his wife Ester NEIL born 1802 children Sarah b 1835,Emma b 1837, Martha b 1838 Ada b 1845 there maybe others, they were in Leeds when Emma was born. Hoping someone can help Cheers Lorraine Key Snowy Mountains NSW

HILLAM, in the parish of Monk-Fryston, wapentake of Barkston-Ash; 4 miles from Ferrybridge, 6 from Pontefract, 7 from Selby. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ Christmas gift ideas and festive features - visit the Tiscali Christmas microsite. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/christmas

Hi is anyone researching Lacey's , I'm looking for a Percy Lacey who married an Hetty Smith in Bev reg 1906. They lived in Little Weighton in the 1940/50's. Percy may have been a writer of somesorts, was there a Douglas who became a missionary, I think he was their son. If there is anyone who lives in the area that remembers them, could they please get in touch. Hetty nee SMITH was my great grandmother's sister, I'm having problems in finding info on the SMITH's and I'm hoping that I can break down the brick wall through the Lacey's. Thanks Annette in Sardinia

I am searching back for my maternal ancestors as I have come to a brickwall on the paternal side with John VERO in abt 1640 in Staffordshire with the VEROW line. The VEROW/VERO line may have come from Lincolnshire although I have no proof of this, merely a guess as the name is found in LIN & SFK in earlier times. On the maternal side my 2x gtgrandmother was Elizabeth HEALL, bn abt 1805 at Gainsboro' LIN. She married John Davison, [bn abt 1801 in Hull], @ Holy Trinity, Kingston-u-Hull on 5 Sep 1824 according to the IGI. I believe that her parents were John Heall & Jane Gibson and her g'fa was Henry Heale according to IGI christening of 2 sons each named John, the first of whom died aged abt 5 and the 2nd John was chr 16 March 1768. Henry's wife was Jane xxxxxx. I would like to get back beyond 1800, if possible, with the GIBSON line. Have listers any ideas?

In answer to your Query . It is Hillam asmall hamlet near Selby

Judith I'v never heard of Hillam. Could it be Kilham? Richard

Hi Does anyone know if Prospect House, Hillam still exists? My husbands gt aunt died there in 1947 and we are 'doing the rounds' of places where his ancestors came from next week. I believe, but am not certain, that Prospect House was once a farm which was owned by his Gilliam family. Many thanks Judith Kettlewell

If he was born in any of the East, West or North Ridings then he was born in the County of Yorkshire. If you are sure the 'N' is overwritten on the 'Y' then it means he was born in another County. Have you checked him on the 1851 or 1861 census? If not, and would like me to check, let me know. Jennifer MacPherson New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ERY] 1841 census - County definitions? The question relates to an entry in the 1841 census for Sculcoates. The entry for my 3g-grandfather in the column "Where born: Whether born in same county" is a "Y" overwritten with an "N", all the other people on that page have an clear "Y in that column . It might help to clear up the mystery of his birthplace if I knew the reason for what appears to be an error. My question is: Was the East Riding a separate adminstrative area from the West Riding in 1841? If it was, the original answer could have been, Yes, I'm a Yorkshireman, but No I was born in the West Riding, hence the overwrite. Any comments would be appreciated. Regards - Peter -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005