Hi listers, Is there someone on the list with access to 1891 census returns ? There are two households I would like to examine. I found them in the 1881 census: 1. Census place = Monkwearmouth Shore, Durham, England. ..............Dwelling = 5 Cage Hill ..............Head of household = Elizabeth DOUGLAS, b. 1815 at Lymington Northumberland* age 66, widow. ( *Obviously the birth place address is an error. I understood that Lyminton is in Hampshire!) Who is in the household in 1891? 2.Census place = Elsdon Northumberland ...........Dwelling = Elsdon Hillhead ................Head = Robert DOUGLAS ....Housekeeper = Elizabeth DOUGLAS, b.1816 at Alwinton, Northumberland, England, age 65, widow. relation to Head = mother Again, who is in this household in 1891? I would be most appreciative if someone would look these up for me. Mary.

Posting my family names update to a few relevant lists in the hope of new contacts with same interests. SHIELDS WEBSTER ELLERTON SMITH OLIVER INNS SHILLINGFORD JEAVONS GRAINGER PARKES RUDGE WATSON MALEARY BRANNON GARNER I have a lot of info to share but need help too. Regards fom Pat in Stockton-on-Tees

I have successfully located the marriage for my g.g.grandmother's brother, Edward HULL who was born at Auckland St. Helens in l853, son of Matthew HULL and Isabella (DAVISON). Can anyone connect to the RUMFORDS? It is not a very common name! l88l, Aug 8th, Trinity Church, Parish of Darlington, county of Durham Edward HULL, 28, Bachelor, Engine Turner, residence Hill Street, father Matthew HULL, lab. Elizabeth Wright RUMFORD, 23, spinster, no occ., residence King Street, father Cuthbert RUMFORD, upholsterer witnesses Cuthbert RUMFORD, Margaret Lang RUMFORD I have located Cuthbert and family on the l88l Census - living at 38 King Street, Darlington, as follows: Cuthbert RUMFORD, 54, b. Birmingham, Warwick Mary Ann, 55, wife, b. Newcastle, NBL Wm. B., son, 29, b. Newcastle; Franie E., daur, 27, b. Newcastle: Elizabeth, daur., 23, b. Liverpool: Sarah, daur., 21, b. Newcastle: Margret, daur., l8, b. Newcastle: Annie, daur., l5, b. Darlington, George, son., l2, b. Darlington plus Nelly WRIGHT, 5, visitor, b. Sunderland. It is likely there was also another son, Cuthbert, 25, b. Liverpool who was a cabinet maker boarding at Westgate, NBL, with the MEIKLE family on the l88l census. I know of two children born to Edward and Elizabeth - Percy Edmondson HULL (b. l888) and Annie Isabella HULL (b. l890) but there may be more born between l88l and l888. Edward was a widower on the l90l Census. Regards Diane Johansen

Hi Ian, I'd like a few more details please. What would be involved, never having done this sort of thing before? What sort of work load and schedules are expected Rocky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Hartas" <ian.hartas@iclway.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: [D'hamYorks] Transcribers wanted for Yorkshire BMD. > I've been asked by Hull CC to see if there are any volunteers out there > who would be willing to transcribe for Yorkshire BMD. > I'm acting as the middle man here, so I don't have details about > what is required. If you think that you can spare some time, then > please reply directly to me and I'll forward your replies to Hull CC. > > Thanks in advance ! > > -- > regards, > Ian Hartas > ---------------------------------- > Why is it that the word "gullible" > isn't in the dictionary? > ---------------------------------- > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Did your ancestors move between the Counties of Durham and York? Then ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L is your place. We talk kin from either/or or both; the area's history and migration patterns and what motivated this. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello List, Have you lost a Henry Edward? I'm returning again to have another attempt at battering down my brickwall! Despite a full search by the GRO, there does not appear to be a birth registration for my grandfather Henry Edward HARRIS. Verbal family history says that his birth date was 5 November 1876 but because both he and my grandmother died when I was a very small child there is little else to go on. Virtually all of my information is from his Army service record, which I was able to obtain last year. This confirms his probable birth year as 1876, gives his parents as Henry Alfred and Emma HARRIS and his place of birth as West Hartlepool. Helpful fellow searchers have trawled the parish records but no joy there either. He and his parents are on the 1891 census for Rotherham, as expected from grandfather's marriage certificate, listed as follows Henry HARRIS M 49 M Leicester, Leics, England Emma ATKIN M 51 F Boston, Lincoln, England Henry ATKIN U 14 M West Hartlepool, Durham, England This is the probable family in 1881, at 12 Bishop Square, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorks Henry ATKIN M 39 M Leicester, England Emma ATKIN M 41 F Boston, Lincoln, England Henry ATKIN U 4 M West Hartlepool, Durham, England Again, a fellow researcher has explored the 1871 West Hartlepool census for HARRIS, with no success as yet. Could it be that I have one of those contrary families who used a different alias wherever they went!....If so, do you have a Henry Edward without a home after 1876? Regards, in desperation - Patrisia Carrington Penmaenmawr, North Wales

Hello List Would someone with access to the 1891 census be kind enough to look up the following person for me ? James DUDLEY aged abt.18 - born Lazonby/Lazenby, Cumberland - hopefully at one of the following addresses in Stockton on Tees: 2,Durham Street or 28 Mitre Street Thanks in advance for any help Jane

I have an interest in the Dodds family in and around Hurworth, Co. Durham. George Dodds (b Killerby 1827?) married Elizabeth?? (b Leeds 1824?). They had two daughters. Sarah Amelia (b Hurworth1852; d ??.10.1938 possibly in Thornaby) who married George Smith (b Stokesley 21.03.1861; d Thornaby? 03.01.1916) in the March quarter of 1883 in Darlington. Harriet (b Hurworth 1863) Their address on the 1881 Census was given as East Row, Hurworth. Can anybody tell me more about them or their families? Thank you Brian

Hello John - I don't if I can help, but my best friend is Judy and John Ayre, they live, in our village, and has done all of his life, he has a Younger brother Colin who also lives in our village and I am also very friendly with, they have an older sister who lives in Carlisle and an older brother Frank who died in the 1960's but lived in the London area, I think. John had his 65th Birthday in September. Strangely enough, John wife Judy is from Easingwold and had an uncle who taught in Barnsley, her maiden name is Idle. (which makes her an Idle Ayre !!!). John's father is buried in a village cemetery just outside Darlington called Croft, but it is just across the boundary of Durham and North Yorkshire - that maybe the reason you cannot find him. Happy New Year ----- Original Message ----- From: <CLACTON57@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:41 AM Subject: [D'hamYorks] Ayres - Darlington and Barnsley > I don't know if anyone can help as I am having great difficulty finding > information on my GGM Jane Ayre and her family who came from Barnsley. > > She married a John Smith on Xmas Day in Darlington 1862. Her father was > Thomas Ayre. She was, according to the marriage certificate, aged 24 so her > birth year would have been around 1838. > > I cannot find them on the 1861 or 1851 Darlington Census. ( ON the 1881 and > subsequent censuses her origins were Barnsley. On the 1851 census there were > 2 boys a Thomas and a William who were down as living in the workhouse (aged > 11 and 9), they were both from Barnsley. > > I have been sent the Barnsley 1851 census which shows a John Ayre from > darlington and an Ayres from Darlington. > > Can anyone help please? Thank you all in anticipation and a Happy New Year! > > Colin Smith > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to Counties of Durham & York, England. If you > have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please > contact Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello, Found this at the local LDS. and thought they may belong to some-ones DODDS family. I have DODDS in the area , but they don't seem to be mine:- All Saints Church, Stranton, West Hartlepool, County Durham. Baptism of Twins on June 20 / 1879. Charles Frederick DODDS and Frederick W. Auggers DODDS. Their parents were William and Mary Ann DODDS. [ William DODDS was an Engine Fitter.] The name Auggers was probably from the maiden name of the Maternal Grandmother or Grt. Grandmother. Do they fit in your family ?? Cheers, Pam [RENNEY] McKinley in Arizona, but born and raised at Aldershot,Hants. Always looking for my RENNEY family in County Durham & North Yorks. Also RENNIE at Kinnell, Angus, Scotland.

According to my copy of Cleveland FHS transcription there are no Howells listed. Nor a Catherine Smith, what age would your William? There is one aged 29 place of birth Aycliffe probably married to a Jane aged 21 pob Middleton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CLACTON57@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: [D'hamYorks] Stranton (later known as West Hartlepool) > Hello all, > > Does anyone have access to the 1851 census index for Stranton ( later known > as West Hartlepool)? I would be grateful if you could search for me the > following. > > William Smith married to a Catherine (formerley Howell). Could you let me > have their details and any children that may appear with them. > > As Howell is a new name, if there are any other Howells living there. > > Thanks > > Colin Smith > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Places to visit: EnglandGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engwgw/ > Gen-uki England: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/ > Rootsweb HomePage: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Pam I have an interest in the following surnames on your list. DODDS (living At East Row, Hurworth, Durham according to the 1881 Census) George Dodds born Killerby, Yorks around 1827 (Huntsman to Otter Hounds) Elizabeth Dodds (Wife) born Leeds around 1824. Sarah Amelia Dodds (Daughter) born Hurworth, Durham 1852, died October 1938. Harriet Dodds (Daughter) born Hurworth, Durham 1864? Sarah Amelia Dodds married George Smith at Darlington, Durham in the March quarter of 1883. George SMITH born Stokesley, Yorks 1862, died 3rd January 1916. George and Sarah had 5 children: Herbert (??) Thomas Edward (born 1883, died 1964) (My Grandfather) George Dodds (born??, died 1961) Barbara Elizabeth (born 1892, died 1965) Elsie May (born 1895, died 1985) Hope this proves useful Regards Brian Smith

Hello all, Does anyone have access to the 1851 census index for Stranton ( later known as West Hartlepool)? I would be grateful if you could search for me the following. William Smith married to a Catherine (formerley Howell). Could you let me have their details and any children that may appear with them. As Howell is a new name, if there are any other Howells living there. Thanks Colin Smith

Hello, My DODDS connection is to my Grt. Grandmother :- Henry RENNEY, born Sept. 1819, and Elizabeth DODDS, born 1823 ?, were married at Holy Trinity Church, Sunderland in 1844. They were my Paternal Great- Grandparents and were C.of E. Also have a SMITH connection :- Ralph SMITH, born 1823 at Richmond Yorks, and his wife, Barbara ?? SMITH, born Gateshead, 1825, were living at 16, Maple Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland according to the 1881 census. They were my Maternal Great- Grandparents and they were Quakers. Don't have a maiden name for Barbara. Henry and Elizabeth RENNEY'S son Frederick RENNEY, born 1857 at Sunderland, and Ralph and Barbara SMITH'S daughter, Elizabeth SMITH, born 1858 at West Hartlepool, were married at Holy Trinity Church ??, Sunderland in 1878. They were my Grandparents and were C.of E. Any connections ?? Regards, Pam [ RENNEY ] McKinley in Arizona, born at Aldershot, Hants.

Looking for a connection to my Maternal Gr. Grandparents. Ralph Smith, born 1824 at Richmond, Yorks. and his wife Barbara SMITH, born 1825 at Gateshead, Co. Durham. were living at 16, Maple Street, Bishopwearmouth, Co. Durham in 1881, according to the 1881 census. Their daughter, Elizabeth SMITH, was born 1858 at West Hartlepool according to the 1881 census. Elizabeth SMITH married Frederick RENNEY, born 1857 at Sunderland, in 1878 at Sunderland. Probably at Holy Trinity Church. They raised 8 children. Ralph and Barbara SMITH were Quakers, but Frederick and Elizabeth Renney were not, they were C.of E. Any connections ??? Regards, Pam [ RENNEY] McKinley in Arizona, but born and raised at Aldershot, Hants. Always looking for my RENNEY family in County Durham from 1716 onwards and RENNIE in Kinnell, Forfarshire before and since 1716.

Dear Listers Researching SARGERSON plus Variants after 1881 2 Known children William born 1887 Linthorpe.Esther born 1890 Skininggrove parents John and Betsy SARGERSON both born ERY 1891 census index would be of help Eliza STOTHARD South Shields abt 1865 father William Thomas mother SARAH STOCKHILL and LEAF Pickering TIA Nancy

My husband is a YORK. What York's do you have? Elaine.

Sorry for the multi posting but have had limited success in 2002 and hope 2003 is a good year for my family brick walls to come tumbling down. BAKER Redcar, Brotton & Great Smeaton Yks & Stockton, Hartlepool & Sunderland Durham INNISS Stockton Durham & Silkstone Yks Names associated with BAKER families BELL Redcar Yks BRACKEN Redcar Yks, BRECKON/BRECKEN Marske & Redcar Yks BRITTAIN Leyburn, Harmby Yks BURNISTONE Stokesley Yks CATON Redcar Yks CHAPMAN Redcar Yks, CLARK Marske Yks COATS Sutton Yks ELDER Leyburn,Harmby Yks EVERINGTON Yks & Dur GREEN Redcar Yks KING Redcar Yks MOORE Redcar Yks MOULTON Redcar & Spennithorne,Harmby, Leyburn Yks PROUSE Redcar Yks ROBSON Redcar Yks TATE Redcar Yks & London TAYLOR Eston Yks THOMPSON Darlington & Ingleby Yks TIGHE Leyburn, Harmby Yks TODD Great Smeaton Yks UPTON Redcar Yks , WILKINSON Redcar Yks Names associated with the INNISS/INNIS/INNES family HAWTHORNE Silkstone Yks DEA Stockton Dur & Leeds Yks JOHNSON Stockton Dur SPINK Stockton Dur Happy to exchange information with others researching any of these families. Rose Morrison Qld Australia

Reposting for the New Year in the hope of finding others researching the same family or any information that others may have on this family in their files. Parish of Stockton upon Tees in the County of Durham. Register of Baptisums for the Year 1834 page 251. Nov 23 Susanna 4th daughter of William & Judah INNIFS, Stockton, Weaver.[William Inniss & Judith Hawthorne] Baptism solemnized in the Chapley of Redcar in the County of York in the year of 1834 June 29th John son of Mark & Mary BAKER, Redcar, Shoemaker.[ Mark Baker & Mary Clark] ----------- 1851 Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of Hartlepool in the County of Durham date name age condition rank/prof residence Father names rank/profession of father Nov 23 John BAKER, full , Bachelor, Sailor, Hartlepool, Mark Baker, Fisherman Susannah INNIS full Spinster -------- Hartlepool William Innis Fisherman Married in the church by Banns or after Rob Taylor by me PC John signed by his mark & Susannah signed her name in the presence of Twizell Johnson ??ifsie Smith [Now know that Twyzell Johnson was married to Susannah's sister Ann Inniss in 1849 at Stockton Durham ] ---------------------------------------- John & Susannah Baker's children were Mary Ann Baker b 1852 bap 1852 Stockton -on-Tees DUR m 1870 Redcar YKS to Thomas MOULTON Jane Ann Baker bap 1854 St Thomas Church Stockton-on-Tees Durham Emma Baker bap 1857 St Thomas Church Stockton-on-Tees Durham Ellen Baker bap 1858 St Thomas Church Stockton-on-Tees Durham Susannah 1860 b abt 1860 Sunderland Durham John William Innes Baker b 1863 Sunderland Durham m 1890 Qld, Australia to Mary Elizabeth FAGG from Kent England Can anyone help with the marriages for the females of John & Susannah BAKER family as I have hit a brick wall with out their married names. Also have found on the 1871 Census RG10/4900 folio 127 page 25. Thornaby Rd., Stainton, Stockton-on-Tees, Durham . Susanna BAKER, head, widow, 36, taken in lodgers, living with her were her children Susanna, dau, 10 & John, son, age 8, Where and when did John BAKER die, where is he buried. This could of been anywhere as John was a sailor and what happen to Susannah as I am unable to find her on the 1881 census. Waiting for the local LDS family library to open next week as I have a parish film to read in the hope of finding Susannah remarried, if not will look for her death. Help would be appreciated. Rose Morrison nee Baker Qld Australia

Hi, If anyone has a few spare minutes (what are those I hear you cry) can someone be kind enough to do a look up for me. I have an 1861 and 1881 census return for a Robert COATES but between the two census's he re-married. I am trying to find when he re-married as then I can start putting his children in the correct part of the tree. The 1871 census return would be a good way of narrowing it down a bit or better still a death/burial for Margaret COATES or marriage for Robert and Clara. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ >From 1861 census. Dwelling: 2 ? Census Place: Chester-Le-Street, Harratan, Birtley, Durham, England Source: FHL Film 1342212 PRO Ref RG9 Piece 3762 Folio 18 Page 67 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert COATES M 28 M Durham, Ouston Rel: Head Occ: Engine Smith? Margaret COATES M 32 F Durham, Birtley Rel: Wife Thomas COATES 3 M Durham, Birtley Rel: Son Occ: Ann COATES 3 mon F Durham, Birtley Rel: Dau Occ: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ >From 1881 census. Dwelling: Factory Row Census Place: Birtley, Durham, England Source: FHL Film 1342198 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4983 Folio 17 Page 28 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert COATES M 48 M Ouston, Durham, England Rel: Head Occ: Foreman (Black) Smith Clara B. COATES M 37 F Sunderland, Durham, England Rel: Wife Ann COATES U 20 F Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Daug Philliph COATES U 18 M Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Blacksmith John M. COATES U 16 M Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Blacksmith Jane E. COATES U 11 F Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Daug Occ: Scholar Thomas COATES U 3 M Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Son Ada C. COATES U 9 m F Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Daug Jane COE U 33 F Birtley, Durham, England Rel: Visitor Beatrice THOMPSON U 4 F Sunderland, Durham, England Rel: Niece ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ Cheers Tim Coates

Hi Pam, I have a slight connection to Ditchburn. My 3GGG grandfather William Ditchburn married Anne Slummers 13th May 1797. Their daughter Ellen was born in Burneston Yorkshire on 4th October 1809 and she married John Miller 12th April 1834. I hope we can connect. Best wishes for a safe and happy New Year and I hope you have success in your research. Regards, Norma in Newcastle, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph M Peel" <r.m.peel.ralph@virgin.net> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 01 January 2003 09:32 Subject: Re: [D'hamYorks] Names of interest > Pam > > what are your ADAMS connections as I have some on my mothers side we have > traced back to 1690's > > Ralph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Pmc248@cs.com> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:18 PM > Subject: [D'hamYorks] Names of interest > > > > > > These are my names of interest from County Durham and North Yorks, > > > > covering the period of 1700 to 1900. > > > > RENNEY BOO DODDS SMITH LAIDLER DAWSON KEENAN > > > > CHEESEBROUGH MANKIN DOUGLASS YORK HEWITT HILLS > > > > WINDROSS RUTHERFORD GARDINER COWPER [COOPER] > > > > THWAITES DOWNS DITCHBURN SHOTTON ADAMS > > > > > > Regards, Pam [RENNEY] McKinley in Arizona. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- > > When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! > > It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in your > wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to > browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >