I agree, my Father did two censuses in the 1960's and he used to say about how daft the people were. They didn't know how to fill the forms in, or what information was needed. AND he said about the hand writing - you couldn't read half of it. He also said that they said to him, what good is the information - NOBODY WILL SEE IT AND IT DOESN'T MATTER. OH dear, if only they had known!!!!!!!!!! Diane Sowden UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <K1ark@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [D'hamYorks] Fwd: A little Off-topic !! > Don't know how it works your side, but it was a real eye-opener for me when I worked on the 2000 US census. It is, first of all, a massive administrative undertaking - just setting up offices to co-ordinate the process and then digest the data required small armies of people. A major task (the one I was involved with) is then training those who will go out to knock on doors and ask questions. Though the vast majority of people I worked with were conscientious and most were capable, since this job(and all the others)are both temporary and relatively low-paying, some portion of those involved may be (shall we say) less dedicated and precise or less literate and mentally nimble. > Then there are the complexities of the data gathering instrument - what may seem fairly straightforward to those of us of the "information" age may have been, to our ancestors, the equivalent to questions like "Do you and all inhabitants of this home reside at this address for more than 50% any given calendar year?" > And then of course there's the handwriting - but that's another story. So consider the census workers and their incredibly valuable contribution to our endeavours. I say all praise to them. Dave Moore, Webater, New York > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this > list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times > of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Don't know how it works your side, but it was a real eye-opener for me when I worked on the 2000 US census. It is, first of all, a massive administrative undertaking - just setting up offices to co-ordinate the process and then digest the data required small armies of people. A major task (the one I was involved with) is then training those who will go out to knock on doors and ask questions. Though the vast majority of people I worked with were conscientious and most were capable, since this job(and all the others)are both temporary and relatively low-paying, some portion of those involved may be (shall we say) less dedicated and precise or less literate and mentally nimble. Then there are the complexities of the data gathering instrument - what may seem fairly straightforward to those of us of the "information" age may have been, to our ancestors, the equivalent to questions like "Do you and all inhabitants of this home reside at this address for more than 50% any given calendar year?" And then of course there's the handwriting - but that's another story. So consider the census workers and their incredibly valuable contribution to our endeavours. I say all praise to them. Dave Moore, Webater, New York

Could SKS with the 1861 census which covers the whole area of Redcar Nr Yks, please look for the wife and children (if there were any) of Richard BAKER, head, married, aged 22 born Redcar Yks Address: Gas Works, Redcar. Would do this myself but I need to hire the next film and that can take up to 6 weeks to arrive. Rose Morrison Qld Australia

Yes, I agree. That is until my Father took the census in the 1960's. Then I found out that the public were not so good in filling in the forms, because Dad had to fill them in for the people because they couldn't understand them!!!!!!!!!!!! Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pmc248@cs.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: [D'hamYorks] Fwd: A little Off-topic !! > > --part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > --part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-path: <Pmc248@cs.com> > From: Pmc248@cs.com > Full-name: Pmc248 > Message-ID: <171.1b9e6a35.2b99221c@cs.com> > Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:13:48 EST > Subject: A little Off-topic !! > To: UK-NORTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com, ENGLAND-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com, ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com, > HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 107 > > > Hello All, > > After much frustration and hair-pulling, not to mention a few choice > words, I have decide that the qualifications for the position of Census Taker > were :- > > The applicant must be half-blind and deaf, and unable to spell or write > in a ledgible manner. If you have all the above qualifications you are in !!! > Being stupid wouldn't hurt either, LOL !!! > > Cheers, Pam, an Aldershot, Hants. gal in Arizona. > Always looking for RENNEY, in the N.E. and ROGERS in Hampshire. > > --part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary-- > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Rose saw your request for redcar 1861 look up,if no one replies let me know and I will try when I go to London at the end of the month Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morrison" <rosebakmor@bigpond.com.au> To: <ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: [D'hamYorks] 1861 Census Redcar Yks > Could SKS with the 1861 census which covers the whole area of Redcar Nr Yks, please look for the wife and children (if there were any) of > Richard BAKER, head, married, aged 22 born Redcar Yks > Address: Gas Works, Redcar. > > Would do this myself but I need to hire the next film and that can take up to 6 weeks to arrive. > Rose Morrison Qld Australia > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM-YORKS Mailing List ==== > *** Tired of this LIST? Going on vacation, a business trip? *** > Send email with one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in Subject and Message area to: ENG-DURHAM-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com. Digest? Replace "L" with "D". > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

--=======1AAF5295======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5131A0B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have been desperately trying to find my CARRUTHERS family on the 1891 census and have purchased what I thought was the correct fiche from the Durham FHS but didn't find them...although I know they were there ... on double checking on the PRO catalogue the piece number given is RG 12/4103. This doesn't seem to be available from the FHS.. or have I missed something? If anyone is going to a library and could do a quick check on piece RG 12/4103 for my lot I would be most grateful. Thanks (hopefully)... David My lot :- John Carruthers Born: 12 May 1836 - Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland Father: Francis Carruthers (1812- ) Mother: Elisabeth Shannon (1814- ) Married: 16 Jul 1869 Place: Sherrington, Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland Wife: Isabella Edgar Born: 1846 - Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland Father: John Lowrie ( - ) Mother: Agnes Edgar (1821- ) Children 1 M Thomas Carruthers Born: 1870 - Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson (1872- ) born Coxhoe, Durham -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 F Agnes Carruthers Born: 20 Jul 1872 - Kirkbean, Kircudbright, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 M James Carruthers Born: 1 Apr 1874 - Kirkbean, Kircudbright, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 M George Carruthers Born: 24 Aug 1878 - Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Spouse: Mary Rogers (1863- ) Marr. Date: 14 Nov 1903 - Leeds Register Office -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 M John Carruthers Born: 1880 - Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 F Elizabeth Carruthers Born: 15 Oct 1882 - Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- Admin for ENG-CHS-ODD-RODE & ENG-YKS-DEWSBURY mailing lists. Odd Rode website http://www.odd-rode.org.uk, My homepage http://fordys.dns2go.com , Your Maps online http://fordys.dns2go.com/maps ... --=======1AAF5295=======--

Information taken from film 1894165 Burials in the parish of Stockton-on-Tees Durham 1813-1870 Year 1841 Page 448 All from Stockton Thomas INNES, March 21st 19yrs * Mary Jane STAINTON, March 30th 1yr William POTTER April 1st 33yrs Elizabeth FISHER April 1st 20yrs or 29 This entry is hard to read Mary ATKINSON April 7th 9yrs Richard HAW April 11th could be 9 or1? Jane ALLEN April 27th 67yrs William WHITEHOUSE, April 29th 1yr 4months

Information taken from film 1894165 Burials in the parish of Stockton-on-Tees 1813-1870 page 285 year 1832 all from Stockton William SIMPSON, Oct 23rd, infant Michael BROWN, Oct 28th, 25 yrs John BLAND, Nov 6th, 1 or 7yrs? John INNIS, Nov 7th, 5 yrs * Ann NICHOLSON Nov 13th 74 yrs John ROBINSON Nov 15th 13 yrs Ann TODD Nov 16th 85 yrs

--part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <Pmc248@cs.com> From: Pmc248@cs.com Full-name: Pmc248 Message-ID: <171.1b9e6a35.2b99221c@cs.com> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:13:48 EST Subject: A little Off-topic !! To: UK-NORTHEAST-L@rootsweb.com, ENGLAND-DURHAM-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com, ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com, HAMPSHIRE-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 107 Hello All, After much frustration and hair-pulling, not to mention a few choice words, I have decide that the qualifications for the position of Census Taker were :- The applicant must be half-blind and deaf, and unable to spell or write in a ledgible manner. If you have all the above qualifications you are in !!! Being stupid wouldn't hurt either, LOL !!! Cheers, Pam, an Aldershot, Hants. gal in Arizona. Always looking for RENNEY, in the N.E. and ROGERS in Hampshire. --part1_23.2cd22ebd.2b99241d_boundary--

Information from film 1849164 page 188 1828 Robert Henry YOUNG, Blue Coat Charity School,Nov 29th, 6 months Deborah CAFS, West Row, Dec 3rd, 75 yrs (CASS) Mary Ann JOHNSTONE, Brunswick Street, Dec 4th, 9 weeks Joseph INNIFS, Playhouse Yard, Dec 7th, 7months (INNISS) * Mary TRUEMAN, Gant'sYard, Dec 8th, 14 months John EDMONDS, Harrison's Yard High Street, Dec 9th, 78 yrs Thomas SIMPSON, Dove Cot Street, Dec 11th, 41 yrs

Information from page 113 film 1894165 All abode Stockton year 1823 name When buried age Alexander INNIS Sept 29th 88yrs * Elizabeth KAY Sept 30th 2yrs Margaret STEPHENSON Oct 3rd 84yrs Isabella ELEANOR Oct 5th 89yrs Mary BARKER Oct 7th 27yrs John Louis ROBINSON Oct 10th 9mths Jane RUFSEL Oct 12th 20yrs (Russel)

Hi , I am researching the following names John Clayton m Rebecca Coupland/Copeland,Middlesbrough Hannah Raine.Middleton in Teesdale,daughter of Mathew Raine would anyone with any interest please contact me. Kind Regards Kat

--=======50977C19======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-521F5981; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just like to say thanks for all the mail I have received this evening....much appreciated. If I replied to them all personally I would never get to bed ;-) So please take this as acknowledgment and a thank you... I hope you all found something on the site to be of help. Can I just add, if you have ORIGINAL maps/etchings etc and you think others would like to see them on the site, just email me. Cheers David. --- Admin for ENG-CHS-ODD-RODE & ENG-YKS-DEWSBURY mailing lists. Odd Rode website http://www.odd-rode.org.uk, My homepage http://fordys.dns2go.com , Your Maps online http://fordys.dns2go.com/maps ... --=======50977C19=======--

A search of the on-line birth index for the Teeside area at middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk shows : Harry A.G. Inness birth registered at Stockton in 1892 (ref.W-020-0080 Byron.R. as above in 1897 (ref.W-025-0103) Gilbert.S as above in 1899 (W-027-0332) I am not sure if you can order certificates on-line. Peter Adams ----- Original Message ----- > Hello everyone. I am new to your list but am seeking help with the parents of 3 children born at Thornaby,Yorks.They are as follows. > > Harry INNESS born about 1892 > > Byron INNESS born about 1898 > > Gilbert INNESS born about 1900 > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. > > Phyllis Lenard, "sunrise", Sofala 2795, Australia > > E-mail address sunrise@ix.net.au > > ______________________________

I am looking for anybody with this connection, so that I might gain some more information from you please. Has anyone got FLORENCE MAYBRICK (the wife of James Maybrick), the so called JACK THE RIPPER on their family tree. The reason that I need to trace her and her illegitimate son is that she had the son with one of my husband's relations. She had a affair with HENRY STANLEY FLINN I think that this was before she was married. I know that the son was adopted by a Mr and Mrs Graham of Hartlelpool Durham, his adopted name was William. Hoping that svks can help me in this matter. TIA Diane Sowden

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Hello everyone. I am new to your list but am seeking help with the parents of 3 children born at Thornaby,Yorks.They are as follows. Harry INNESS born about 1892 Byron INNESS born about 1898 Gilbert INNESS born about 1900 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Phyllis Lenard, "sunrise", Sofala 2795, Australia E-mail address sunrise@ix.net.au

Information taken from film 1894164 page 115 Oct 15th 1864 Benjamin GAUNT 24, bachelor, Cork Cutter, Stockton, Matthew Gaunt, Sawyer. married after banns to Elizabeth Cordelia Siddle INNES, 19, spinster, Stockton, James SIDDLE, Pipe Maker. witness by George Wilkinson & Mary Jane Dawson* [also note bride's father's name] * now this Mary Jane Dawson went on to marry in 1871 to a Robert Lawson BAKER, Bricklayer, Stockton, father John Baker, Bricklayer Oct 16th 1864 Thomas ORNSBY 32, Bachelor, Blacksmith, Stockton, Thomas Ornsby, Shoe-Maker married after banns to Jane (L?)UINTON 33, Spinster Stockton, James (L?)uinton, Seaman Witness by Henry Fox & Martha Thayres page 126 May 26th 1879 Alfred STONE, 25, bachelor, Blash furnaceman, Stockton, Sidney Stone, Bricklayer. married after banns to Mary Ann INNS, 22, spinster, Stockton, William Inns, Labourer. witness by William Walker & Alice Walton. May 27th 1879 Thomas GRIFFITHS 25, Bachelor, Groom, Stockton, Edward Griffiths. Overman ? in Mine mariied after banns to Jane Ann METCALF, 28, Spinster, Stockton, Thomas Metcalf, Plumber witness by Mary Ann Griffiths & John Metcalf page 7 Oct 8th 1882 John POLLARD, 21, Bachelor, Ironturner, Stockton, John Pollard, Engineer married after banns to Septima JOHNSON, 20, Spinster, Stockton, Twizell Johnson, Painter both signed in the presence of David Bainbridge & Sarah Hunt Oct 8th 1882 James SNOWDON 22, Bachelor, Labourer, Stockton, William Snowdon, Cartwright married after banns to Mary Ann STEPHENS 17, Spinster, Stockton, Frederick Stephens, Boilersmith James signed by his mark and Mary signed her name in the presence of John Thomas Hamilton by his mark page 152 May 2nd 1887 George DORWARD, 30, Bachelor, Fitter, 24 Inay Side, William Dorward, Fitter married after banns to Margaret WATSON, 19, Spinster, 24 Inay Side, Robert Watson. Blacksmith both signed in the presence William Patterson & Annie Alkinson page 158 June 14th 1887 Charles Frederick WATSON, 25, Bachelor, Wholesale Merchant, 28 Russell Street, Charles Cummings Watson, Grocer married after banns to Elizabeth Herring REDHEAD,27, Spinster, Ropery House, Ropery Street, William Redhead, Farmer. both signed in the presence of William Redhead & Arthur Albert S? & Annie Redhead Please contact me off list if you are interested in my BAKER and INNISS & LAING marriages in this church.

Information 1894160 St Thomas Church stockton-on-Tees Durham part of page 156 1840 Aug 30th Thomas 2nd son of Thomas & Caroline DOWNS, Stockton, Ship Carpenter Aug 30th Jane 3rd dr of Joseph & Mary CHAPMAN, Stockton, Turner Aug 30th Jane Ann 1st dr of Christopher & Jane HARBURN, Stockton, White Smith Aug 30th Jane 1st dr of Roger & Elizabeth DEA, Stockton, Weaver * 1844 July 21st Mary Ann 2nd dr of Robert & Margaret FAWCETT, Stockton, Roper July 21st Mary Jane 3rd dr of Roger & Elizabeth DEE, Stockton, Weaver * 1846 Born Bap. May 20th 1846 June 21st Christopher 2nd son of Christopher & Emma JOPLING, Stockton, Ironmorger May 24th 1846 June 21st Ellen Irana 4th dr of Roger & Elizabeth DEA, Stockton, Weaver 1851 Sep 7th William 1st son of Thomas & Margaret SEDGWICK, Stockton, Shoe-Maker Sep 7th Clara Elizabeth 1st dr of Elizabeth FINDLEY, Stockton, Spinster Sep 10th Elizabeth Ann 6th dr of Roger & Elizabeth DEA, Stockton, Sailcloth Weaver * Sep 9th Lucy Mary 3rd dr of Henry & Mary THORP, Stockton, Tea-dealer 1858 Jul 18th Thomas 2nd son of Thomas & Jane DIXON, Stockton, Brick-Maker Jul 20th John 1st son of Sarah McKITTON, Stockton, Spinster Jul 25th John Edward 1st son of Roger & Elizabeth DEA, Leeds, Foreman in a Twin Mill * Jul 25th Joseph Bulmer 1st son of Joseph & ? WELCH, Stockton, Builder

Information taken from film 1894160 part of 1863 April 24th William Henry son of Robert & Hannah DUNN, Stockton, Tailor April 26th Charles 1st son of Richard & Jane SMILES, Stockton, Earthware Dealer April 26th George 9th son of Joseph & Eleanor HALL, Stockton, Innkeeper April 25th Mary Jane 2nd dr of William & Hannah INNES, Stockton, Fisherman * 1866 April 15th William 2nd son of William & Hannah INNES, Stockton, Fisherman * April 15th Thomas 3rd son of William & Hannah INNES, Stockton, Fisherman * April 20th Mary Elizabeth 1st dr of William & M? HANSON, Stockton, Confectioner