Hello list On this topic Does anyone know whether Roman children called their Mater and Pater - Ma and Pa - using the European long "a" as in "ah" Also my granddaughter calls me grand-da(h) Is this a West Hartlepuddleian peculiarity? Yorus Aye Maurice TAYLOR in Surrey , England Reaeraching TAYLORs - the Blacksmiths of old Stranton