Hi again Judy :) I've found a possible shipping entry for John ... ARMSTRONG JOHN Age 34, Feb 1857, Ship: Shooting Star, Port B Fiche 120 Page 005 This makes sense if he had to find work, a home and earn money to bring his family out to Australia too. The age is about the same as Dorothy's so it's possibly the right one. The only other ones I found were nowhere near her age group. I found this at the PROV site, which I'd searched before but had "Elizabeth" and "Dorothy", not "Dorathy" and "Eliza". I'll have to find out whether I can find further information on the above shipping information. Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Thomas To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Elizabeth ARMSTRONG and siblings Hello Robyn, Following one of your earlier queries, I had a look at the shipping indexes, and found the following:- Empire of Peace, May 1860. Dorathy ARMSTRONG, Age 37 Eliza ARMSTRONG, Age 11 John ARMSTRONG, Age 8 Thos ARMSTRONG, Age 11. It would appear that John (father) came out earlier, which was relatively common. If you obtained Dorothy's death certificate, there is a possibility (depending on the knowledge of the informant), that all children would be listed. And in fact, if you obtained the birth certificate of children born in Victoria, you would stand a good chance of getting information on the parents' marriage. Judy Thomas. Melbourne, Oz. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 18/07/2004 ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH by Dr Ashton Emery http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html