In a message dated 31/07/2004 11:21:26 GMT Daylight Time, ch0pk1n5@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have any info on Thomas & Norah Hopkins nee Gray my granparents both were born in 1905 i.e.too for any online info. As far as I know Thomas was born in Ryhope,which was where they lived after marriage & Norah was born in Sunderland. Chris: You need their birth certrificates! Both would appear to have been born within the Sunderland Registation district, so it should be straightforward. Do a preliminary search of the GRO indexes (available in many reference libraries) to find the correct Quarter and then send a fee of £7 to the Superintendent Registrar at The Civic Centre, Sunderland. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.