In a message dated 07/07/2004 10:09:32 GMT Daylight Time, honey@honeyshome.com writes: Until then, if anyone DOES have access to the 1851 census and "just happen" to come across Elizabeth ARMSTRONG born about 1848, parents John and Dorothy ARMSTRONG (nee WAUGH), I'd LOVE to hear about it!! :D Rob: I take it you do realise that having been born in England in 1848, Elizabeth will have had a birth certificate and so should be listed in the GRO indexes. If you find her there, then you could obtain her birth certificate from the local registrar for only £7. If there are several possibilities (four Quarters plus the statutory six weeks allowed for registration usually produces five Quarters which would need to be searched) then at least you would have a list of possible registration districts and with luck that would not be every one in Co Durham!. You could also order each certificate from the FRC, conditional upon the mother's maiden surname being Waugh. . . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.