Just an observation Robyn - it is unusual for the time of birth to be included on an English birth cert. unless it was a multiple birth, e.g. twins - so that the elder can be identified (unless one is a boy in which case there was no need!!!!). Ruth Appleby Basse Normandie, France La.Retraite@tiscali.fr -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Leeds Date: 07/20/04 23:09:14 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Elizabeth ARMSTRONG Hi everyone :) I have today received Elizabeth ARMSTRONG's birth certificate which states she was born at 4h pm (4pm does that mean?) on 14th May, 1848 at 46 Black Hill Benfieldside. John ARMSTRONG was an Iron Stone Miner, otherwise I already had all the other information. Does anyone on the list have access to the County Records Office, Durham City who would be good enough to do a lookup of the baptismal records for the Parish Church in Benfieldside for me please? I understand there should be a considerable amount of information listed under Elizabeth's baptism. I still haven't been able to find Dorothy WAUGH and John ARMSTRONG marrying anywhere in Durham, so this may be the breakthrough I've been waiting for. I just need to find someone good enough to do this for me. Any help would be immensely appreciated!! :D Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== I.G.I. Family Search http://www.familysearch.org/ Public Record Office U.K http://www.pro.gov.uk

"it is unusual for the time of birth to be included on an English birth cert. unless it was a multiple birth, e.g. twins - " You're kidding?!? So I'm possibly looking for TWO births?!? Oh crumbs, ONE was bad enough!! lol Thanks Ruth, I'll definitely keep that in mind, because it was definitely written down as "4h pm" on the certificate. I assumed it was meant to be something like 4 hours pm, but could I be wrong? Take care, Rob.

Hi I'm trying to track down information on my GGgrandparents. My GGgrandmother was Millicent Hannah FLINTHAM (aka Ann) who was born in Bingley Yks in 1861 and was raised in Cheltenham Gloucs. Her mother died in 1878 and in 1881 I finally find her living in a home for Friendless Girls in Caldewgate, Cumberland. At some point between the 1881 census and the birth of her first child, she met and married William RIGBY. I cannot find any marriage on the GRO, and have no idea where to look for parish registers. I can't find a perfect match for William on the 1881 census so far either, and don't know where he was born. In about 1885 their first son was born John William RIGBY in Durham, South Shields. Second son, James RIGBY was born next in Liverpool, Lancs and their final child, Mary Alice RIGBY was born in Gateshead Durham in Oct. of 1889. On Mary Alice's birth certificate, her father, William RIGBY, brickmaker is recorded as deceased. Her mother is going by the name of Ann RIGBY on the birth certificate. Mary Alice was born just under 3 months after her father, William RIGBY died. I found his death in Sunderland and I recently received the certificate. It states that he was 38 years of age at the time of his death (which puts his birth approx 1851) and describes him as "A Brick Maker Journeyman of 8 Fox Street, Gateshead, Durham. He died on July fifteenth 1889 in the Bishopswearmouth Infirmary, after an accident. The cause of death reads "Injuries by accidental fall on highway and run over by wagon he was driving. Lived 2 days after". The wife's name does not appear on the certificate, but I'm quite sure this would have been my guy, because he was alive in about Feb 1889 to conceive baby, and deceased by her birth in Oct. 1889, and his address is given as Gateshead, where she was born not 3 months later and on her birth certificate and his death certificate his occupation is listed as Brickmaker. The informant on the death certificate is Crofton Maynard, coroner for Easington Ward, Durham. Inquest held 16 July 1889. The death was registered 17 July. By the 1891 census I find them living in Durham South Shields (Lower Thames Street?) again. Millicent H Rigby, a widow is 29 years old and a charwoman John W., son is 6 born Durham S. Shields James, son, is 3, born liverpool lancs and Mary Alice age 1 is born Gateshead By 1901 she is married to a Richard Michell (b. in Cornwall, but I found him married to someone else in 1881 in Sunderland) and living in Edmonton, Middlesex (his daughter Susannah from the 1881 census is also in Middlesex but not living with them. And that is my entire Durham connection as far as I know. Unless William Rigby has family ties there that I haven't discovered yet. I am wondering if anyone has come across any of this family in their research, and also I'm wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a newspaper that might contain details of William RIGBY's death. I"m in Canada, so visiting an archive is pretty difficult, but if there was an online resource for a paper in the right area, it would be a great help. I've been informed that inquest records for that period are likely not in existence any more. Thanks for reading this far! Mandy Calgary, AB

No - I think you're right. It means 4 hours in the p.m. Ruth Appleby Basse Normandie, France La.Retraite@tiscali.fr -------Original Message------- From: Robyn Leeds Date: 07/20/04 23:27:27 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Elizabeth ARMSTRONG "it is unusual for the time of birth to be included on an English birth cert unless it was a multiple birth, e.g. twins - " You're kidding?!? So I'm possibly looking for TWO births?!? Oh crumbs, ONE was bad enough!! lol Thanks Ruth, I'll definitely keep that in mind, because it was definitely written down as "4h pm" on the certificate. I assumed it was meant to be something like 4 hours pm, but could I be wrong? Take care, Rob. ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Browse the ENG-DURHAM archives http://archiver.rootsweb com/th/index/eng-durham