Hi Thank you to everyone who replied to me and all the information you sent me. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 2, Issue 141 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. census help (Janet Hasler) > 2. Re: census help ([email protected]) > 3. Re: census help ([email protected]) > 4. Re: census help (Judith Kettlewell) > 5. Look up of CARRICK 1871 and 1861 census please. (EMMA BEEVERS) > 6. Re: census help (Judith Kettlewell) > 7. Thomas Day, Bishopton (Nancy Vogt) > 8. census (Janet Hasler) > 9. Re: Look up of CARRICK 1871 and 1861 census please. > ([email protected]) > 10. Re: census (Linda Price) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:01:24 +0100 > From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census > for > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter > Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > I cannot confirm where or when he married > CHILDREN > GEORGE ABT 1849 > JANE ABT 1851 > WILLIAM ABT 1853 > JAMES ABT 1855 > MARY ABT 1859 > JOHN ABT 1861 > All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON > On the 1871 census they are in JARROW > but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. > > > WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 > born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer > JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 > born in WALLSEND > on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in > WILLINGTON > Thank you for any help you can give me > Jan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:43:47 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 22/07/2007 09:02:12 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census > for > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > > > > Jan: > > On the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Wallsend there are: > > Wesgarth Elizabeth WI M 23 Wallsend > NBL 67/2 1C > Wesgarth George Stubbs SO U 2 Wallsend > NBL > 67/2 1C > Wesgarth Mary Ann DA U 6M Wallsend > NBL 67/2 1C > Wesgarth William HD M 26 Scholar Wallsend NBL > 67/2 1C > > Note the way in which the surname has been spelled. Being taken from > an > index the order of the entries is alphabetic, as above, and the details > given are as above. The references are non-standard and consist of the > folio > number and the enumeration district number. I would therefore have given > the > references as "1851 census, piece HO 107/2409, folio 67. "67/2" would > be, more > correctly "67v", though it should hardly be necessary to mention whether > the > entry is on the recto or the verso! > > William's occupation as a "scholar" is surprising for someone his age, > and a married man with two children! Perhaps he was taking some > part-time > night-school course or perhaps the transcriber mis-read whatever it does > say. > You will need to look iup the original and decide that for yourself. > > The description of the enumeration district is: > > "All that part of the township of Wallsend situated on the north side of > the > Newcastle and Shields turnpike from Mr Dodds shoemaker on the west, Mr > Dodds > farm on the north and front of Church Bank on the west including within > these > limits Turnpike Road, West Row, Shiney Row, Bridge Row, Swan Row and > Wallsend Village." > > One of those "west" words will be a mis-reading for "east"! Probably > it > should say "Church Bank on the east", as Church Bank is well east of old > Wallsend Village. > > I strongly recommend the NDFHS indexes to the 1851 census. They are > reasonably priced and are available as microfiche, booklets and/or > CD-ROMs. > They cover the whole of Northumberland and Co Durham apart from those > southern > parts of Co Durham covered by Cleveland FHS. Within the NDFHS district > there > is now the whole of Tyne and Wear. See _www.ndfhs.org.uk_ > (http://www.ndfhs.org.uk) . > > An index to Wallsend baptisms 1813-39 is also available from the NFDHS > (Ancestral Indexes section). > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:55:01 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 22/07/2007 09:44:35 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > William's occupation as a "scholar" is surprising for someone his age, > and a married man with two children! Perhaps he was taking some > part-time > night-school course or perhaps the transcriber mis-read whatever it does > say. > You will need to look iup the original and decide that for yourself. > ________________________________________________ > > > It is actually 'Shipwright' on the original!! > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:53:58 +0100 > From: "Judith Kettlewell" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > To: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Jan > > I haven't found your family in 1851 ........... yet! > > In 1871 I found them but don't really understand the problem. Is it that > you > can't 'read' the writin, which is pretty awful or is there some other > problem with them. > > They were living in a joint house with another family but with a different > schedule number. > > Anyway, here goes with a transcription: > > PRO REF: RG10/5041: Folio 77: Schedule 9: > > 8 Ferry Street, Jarrow > > Wm WESTGARTH: Head: Mar: 45: Ship Wright > Elizabeth do: Wife: Mar: 42: > Geo L? Son: Unm: 22: Rivetter: > William do: Son: Unm: 18: Blacksmith: > James do: Son: Unm: 16: Mason > Mary Elleanor do: Daur: 12: > John Thomas do: Son: Unm: 10: > > All born Wallsend. > > I'll have another look for the 1851 family entry. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:01 AM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > > >> Hi >> Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census >> for >> WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 >> WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter >> Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 >> WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> I cannot confirm where or when he married >> CHILDREN >> GEORGE ABT 1849 >> JANE ABT 1851 >> WILLIAM ABT 1853 >> JAMES ABT 1855 >> MARY ABT 1859 >> JOHN ABT 1861 >> All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON >> On the 1871 census they are in JARROW >> but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. >> >> >> WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were >> WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 >> born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer >> JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 >> born in WALLSEND >> on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in >> WILLINGTON >> Thank you for any help you can give me >> Jan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:45:19 +0100 > From: "EMMA BEEVERS" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Look up of CARRICK 1871 and 1861 census please. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi list! > > Im looking for a WILLIAM CARRICK on the 1871 and 1861 census. > > He was born around 1850 in Stanley, Lanchester, DURHAM. > > He married MARY JANE ELLWOOD, from the Shotton Colliery area, in 1878 in > Easington. > > Known children to the couple are: (info from 1881 and 1891 census and > FreeBMD) > > Mary Ann b) 1879 > John b) 1881 > Janet b) 1884 > Isaac b) 1886 > Martha b) 1890 > > Thankyou for ANY help at all with this CARRICK line! > > Kind Regards > > Emma Beevers > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:04:23 +0100 > From: "Judith Kettlewell" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > To: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jan > > 1851 image sent offline. Hope it is the right one. > > Kind regards > > Judith K > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:01 AM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > > >> Hi >> Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census >> for >> WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 >> WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter >> Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 >> WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> I cannot confirm where or when he married >> CHILDREN >> GEORGE ABT 1849 >> JANE ABT 1851 >> WILLIAM ABT 1853 >> JAMES ABT 1855 >> MARY ABT 1859 >> JOHN ABT 1861 >> All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND >> On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON >> On the 1871 census they are in JARROW >> but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. >> >> >> WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were >> WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 >> born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer >> JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 >> born in WALLSEND >> on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in >> WILLINGTON >> Thank you for any help you can give me >> Jan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:15:35 GMT > From: "Nancy Vogt" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Thomas Day, Bishopton > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Paver's Marriage Index of Yorkshire listed the following: 1599 Thomas Day > of Bishopton and Frances Clough of Topcliffe. > > The first of my Day family of Bishopton that I have (due mostly to the > kind help of the Durham list) is William Day and Margaret Curton/Kirton m. > 1 April 1799 and had a Thomas b. 21 Dec. 1799, bapt. 2 Feb 1800 I also > have all the information from the 1800's. > > Did this first Thomas bring his bride back to Bishopton? Are there > records going back that far (1600's and 1700's) for b.m.d's? > > Nancy Vogt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:35:08 +0100 > From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi > I have a > GEORGE WESTGARTH > D.O.B.ABT 1849 born in WALLSEND occupation ironship plater married to > MARY. H. D.O.B ABT 1856 born in WALLSEND > Children > JAMES D.O.B. ABT 1880 born in WALLSEND > WILLIAM D.O.B. also ABT 1880 in WALLSEND > I can find them on the 1881 then nothing I have tried just putting the > children but nothing at all any help would be much appreciated > Jan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:46:17 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Look up of CARRICK 1871 and 1861 census > please. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:39:22 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Im looking for a WILLIAM CARRICK on the 1871 and 1861 census. > > He was born around 1850 in Stanley, Lanchester, DURHAM. > > He married MARY JANE ELLWOOD, from the Shotton Colliery area, in 1878 in > Easington. > > > > > This request is not so much for a "look-up" as for a search, covering > Shotton Colliery, Stanley and everywhere between (ie most of Co Durham) - > quite a > different kettle of fish, as they say! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:19:00 +1000 > From: "Linda Price" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] census > To: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >>Hi > I have a > GEORGE WESTGARTH > D.O.B.ABT 1849 born in WALLSEND occupation ironship plater married to > MARY. H. D.O.B ABT 1856 born in WALLSEND > Children > JAMES D.O.B. ABT 1880 born in WALLSEND > WILLIAM D.O.B. also ABT 1880 in WALLSEND > I can find them on the 1881 then nothing I have tried just putting the > children but nothing at > all any help would be much appreciated >>Jan > > Hi Jan, > > George Stubbs WESTGARTH died 1881 June Q, Tynemouth > > (George Stubbs WESTGARTH Married Mary Harriet DAVISON June Q 1878 > Sunderland) > > Mary Harriet WESTGARTH remarried 1887 Sept Q South Shields to > Henry John CAMERON. > > 1891 Census at 10 Gosforth St, Monkwearmouth, Piece 4151 Fol 24 Page 41. > Lots of kids and James is there, aged 10 born Northumberland Wallsend, but > as a 'CAMERON.' > > 1901 Census in Sunderland the family are at 54 Tweed St, Piece 4713 Fol 13 > Page 17 > with husband and a couple of extra kids. > > 1901, James ( back to a WESTGARTH) is a lodger, also in Sunderland at 10 > Hedworth Street, a > general labourer. Piece 4712 Fol 163 Page 26. > > (In 1881, Mary H says she is born in KENT, Gravesend. The 1891 and 1901 > census show the above > Mary H CAMERON born Northfleet, KENT which is 1.4 miles east of > Gravesend.) > > Don't know what happened to son William Westgarth born 1881 Sunderland. > May be staying with > relatives or perhaps, died also. > > Shall send images . . > > Cheers > Linda > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 2, Issue 141 > ****************************************** >