Dear listers, A friend of mine is looking for the burial place of his adoptive mother . His is a sad story, as he has only just found out that he was adopted and has wondered all his life as to why none of the rest of the family took him in when first his adoptive father died in 1942, then his adoptive mother died in 1943. He was taken back to the orphanage. His adoptive parents were Charles Wm Thompson b 1898 and Sarah Cook, b 1897 at Boldon. The Cooks are one of my main interests, which is how I come to be involved. Sarah and Charles lived at Ryhope, but Sarah died at Leaholme, Easington. Was Leaholme a Workhouse at that time, or was it a hospital - and would she have been buried at Easington Village ( she is not, apparently in Ryhope with her husband) or would she have been buried at Easington Colliery? Thanks. Ann Lavery On 24 Mar 2009, at 07:02, eng-durham-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Cemetery headstone mystery! (Ken Urwin) > 2. Re: Cemetery headstone mystery! (George Carter) > 3. JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN (Alan Elliott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0000 > From: "Ken Urwin" <kenurwin@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007f01c9ac04$5cc8cd00$8e9c8256@pentium4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello listers, > > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help > solve my query. > > I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South > Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle > WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in > 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a > GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated > to her and other members of her original family. This headstone > gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I > assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death > in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the > headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she > is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date > of her death as the Shields headstone. > > Any logical explanation would be most welcome. > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:25:55 +0000 (GMT) > From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > To: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com>, ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <765534.88901.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Ken, > The headstone isn`t evidence of a burial. Quite often it will say in > memory of. The only way of being sure where they are butied is from > the burial books, which cover the church or cememtery. > They could be buried seperate or together in either place. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com> > To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:11:48 PM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > > Hello listers, > > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help > solve my query.? > > I have a MARY IRVING URWIN? (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South > Shields.? She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle > WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in > 1923.? Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a > GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated > to her and other members of her original family.? This headstone > gives her full name and date of her death.? With this knowledge I > assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death > in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the > headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she > is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date > of her death as the Shields headstone.? > > Any logical explanation would be most welcome. > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:27:41 +1100 > From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BA3605745F6B4006AC7EE4B2C6C26A6B@alans> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Further to my note below, the birth certificate has arrived for > James Joseph > Murphy b.12 May 1864 in Hartlepool, but it does not clear up any of > the > confusion between James Joseph & James Jordan Murphy. > At this stage the documented records reveal; > > James Joseph Jordan > # b.Hartlepool 12 May 1864. > Father - John, Boilermaker. > Mother - Mary Finnie. > # Present in 1971 Scot census with his family - Scholar. > # Present in 1881 Brit census with his family - Junior reporter. > # No further record. > > James Jordan Murphy > # 11 May 1889 m. Margaret Benson, St Bennet's, Sunderland. > Father - John, Caulker. > # 1891 census. b. Hartlepool abt 1865 - Caulker. > # 1 Jan 1891, his son William Newman Murphy was born. > James Jordan's occupation - Caulker. > # 3 Mar 1893, Death cert for James Jordan > Informant was his brother William (James Joseph also had a brother > William 1881 census) > > Both James Joseph & James Jordan had a father John, > Both born in Hartlepool abt 1864/5, both had a brother William. > James Joseph no further record after 1881 census. > James Jordan first appears in 1889 at his marriage. > James Joseph's occupation at age 16 yrs was Reporter. > James Jordan's occupation was Ships Caulker > James Joseph's father's occupation was Boilermaker. > James Jordan's father's occupation was Ships Caulker. > > Local Studies, Sunderland have been helpful to the extent that there > are no > names, other than his wife's on their marriage notice & the death > notice. > The Sunderland Cemetery Trust want 22 pounds per person for any > search.(no > charge & online in Aust). > > Other than continuing to buy certificates are there any other > avenues of > research I could follow in endeavouring to find the birth of James > Jordan > Murphy ?. Would St Bennet's church have retained their parish > records ?. > > Alan Elliott > Australia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN > > >> For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search >> both >> the >> Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy >> in an >> effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. >> >> So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J >> Murphy >> was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as the transcription by >> Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. >> >> Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's >> maiden >> name >> is Jordan. >> Regards, >> Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 > *****************************************

Hi Ann Leaholme was a hospital but it was also a part of the workhouse which is on the same site and is currently being used as offices by Easington Council. The Council have demolished the hospital itself and built their portacabins on it! I can vaguely remember Leaholme being referred to as a hospital when I was a child so it must have been a hospital up until the 1960s or so. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lavery" <Annathamble@aol.com> To: <eng-durham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 > Dear listers, > > A friend of mine is looking for the burial place of his adoptive > mother . His is a sad story, as he has only just found out that he > was adopted and has wondered all his life as to why none of the rest > of the family took him in when first his adoptive father died in 1942, > then his adoptive mother died in 1943. He was taken back to the > orphanage. > > His adoptive parents were Charles Wm Thompson b 1898 and Sarah Cook, > b 1897 at Boldon. The Cooks are one of my main interests, which is > how I come to be involved. > > Sarah and Charles lived at Ryhope, but Sarah died at Leaholme, > Easington. Was Leaholme a Workhouse at that time, or was it a > hospital - and would she have been buried at Easington Village ( she > is not, apparently in Ryhope with her husband) or would she have been > buried at Easington Colliery? Thanks. > Ann Lavery > > > > > On 24 Mar 2009, at 07:02, eng-durham-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Cemetery headstone mystery! (Ken Urwin) >> 2. Re: Cemetery headstone mystery! (George Carter) >> 3. JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN (Alan Elliott) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0000 >> From: "Ken Urwin" <kenurwin@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007f01c9ac04$5cc8cd00$8e9c8256@pentium4> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello listers, >> >> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help >> solve my query. >> >> I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South >> Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle >> WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in >> 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a >> GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated >> to her and other members of her original family. This headstone >> gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I >> assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death >> in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the >> headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she >> is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date >> of her death as the Shields headstone. >> >> Any logical explanation would be most welcome. >> >> Regards to all, >> Ken Urwin, >> Middlesbrough. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:25:55 +0000 (GMT) >> From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> To: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com>, ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <765534.88901.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hi Ken, >> The headstone isn`t evidence of a burial. Quite often it will say in >> memory of. The only way of being sure where they are butied is from >> the burial books, which cover the church or cememtery. >> They could be buried seperate or together in either place. >> >> George Carter in Whaley Bridge. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com> >> To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:11:48 PM >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> >> Hello listers, >> >> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help >> solve my query.? >> >> I have a MARY IRVING URWIN? (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South >> Shields.? She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle >> WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in >> 1923.? Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a >> GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated >> to her and other members of her original family.? This headstone >> gives her full name and date of her death.? With this knowledge I >> assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death >> in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the >> headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she >> is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date >> of her death as the Shields headstone.? >> >> Any logical explanation would be most welcome. >> >> Regards to all, >> Ken Urwin, >> Middlesbrough. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:27:41 +1100 >> From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BA3605745F6B4006AC7EE4B2C6C26A6B@alans> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Further to my note below, the birth certificate has arrived for >> James Joseph >> Murphy b.12 May 1864 in Hartlepool, but it does not clear up any of >> the >> confusion between James Joseph & James Jordan Murphy. >> At this stage the documented records reveal; >> >> James Joseph Jordan >> # b.Hartlepool 12 May 1864. >> Father - John, Boilermaker. >> Mother - Mary Finnie. >> # Present in 1971 Scot census with his family - Scholar. >> # Present in 1881 Brit census with his family - Junior reporter. >> # No further record. >> >> James Jordan Murphy >> # 11 May 1889 m. Margaret Benson, St Bennet's, Sunderland. >> Father - John, Caulker. >> # 1891 census. b. Hartlepool abt 1865 - Caulker. >> # 1 Jan 1891, his son William Newman Murphy was born. >> James Jordan's occupation - Caulker. >> # 3 Mar 1893, Death cert for James Jordan >> Informant was his brother William (James Joseph also had a brother >> William 1881 census) >> >> Both James Joseph & James Jordan had a father John, >> Both born in Hartlepool abt 1864/5, both had a brother William. >> James Joseph no further record after 1881 census. >> James Jordan first appears in 1889 at his marriage. >> James Joseph's occupation at age 16 yrs was Reporter. >> James Jordan's occupation was Ships Caulker >> James Joseph's father's occupation was Boilermaker. >> James Jordan's father's occupation was Ships Caulker. >> >> Local Studies, Sunderland have been helpful to the extent that there >> are no >> names, other than his wife's on their marriage notice & the death >> notice. >> The Sunderland Cemetery Trust want 22 pounds per person for any >> search.(no >> charge & online in Aust). >> >> Other than continuing to buy certificates are there any other >> avenues of >> research I could follow in endeavouring to find the birth of James >> Jordan >> Murphy ?. Would St Bennet's church have retained their parish >> records ?. >> >> Alan Elliott >> Australia >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN >> >> >>> For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search >>> both >>> the >>> Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy >>> in an >>> effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. >>> >>> So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J >>> Murphy >>> was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as the transcription by >>> Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. >>> >>> Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's >>> maiden >>> name >>> is Jordan. >>> Regards, >>> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> . >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 >> ***************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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