Hello All Seeing as there is a lot of Robson on the site, Can anybody please solve the following, John Robson born 1840 ish his parents appear to be John Robson born 1805 Corbridge and Eleanor Urwin born 1809 Byker, John was the 6th Child born to the above his Siblings as follows: Robert born 1827 Cramlington Jane born 1829 Walker Mary Ann born 1831 Norton Elizabeth born 1833 Norton Douglas born 1835 Newcastle John born 1840? I have all the Baptisms of the above except John 1841 Census Pemberton St, Hetton-le-Hole Eleanor age 30 Robert age 13 Mary Ann age 9 Elizabeth age 8 Douglas age 5 John age 1 Oct 1841 Margaret was born in Hetton I have birth Reg, no Baptism. Sept 1843 Armstrong Urwin born Hetton July 1846 Richard Born died in 1846 at Hetton, both Armstrong and Richard were baptised together at St Nicholas Hetton 8th July 1846, I also have there Birth Regs, still no sign of John and Margaret's Baptisms 1851 Census Neasham Sq, Sunderland John Robson age 46 Head born Corbridge Eleanor age 41 born Byker John aged 11 Born Sunderland Magaret age 10 born Sunderland ( this is wrong she was born Hetton I have birth Reg) Armstrong age 8 born Hetton Thomas age 3 Months born Sunderland, I have his Birth Reg and Baptism 1861 Census 20 Sussex St, Sunderland John Robson age 23 Seaman Born Bishopwearmouth Eleanor wife age 27 Born Sunderland Douglas age 4 Months born Sunderland John Robson age 22 Married Eleanor Ann Hall age 26 on 15th Jan 1860 in Sunderland, I think he lied about his age to marry his wife was actually 29 when they married she knocked a few years off her age. John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident and was buried with Naval Honours. John is my direct Line, I have had all the John Robson Birth Regs checked from 1837 to 1841 he is not Registered and no luck with his baptism of him and his sister Margaret, it is a complete mystery why there is no record of him. if anyone can help or come across his birth or Baptism please let me know it has been 9 years of Searching. Many Thanks Allan Robson

Hello once again after a long sojourn. I'm researching SPOORS from Sunderland, painters and glaziers largely forenames Percival, Thomas and George, generally emanating from Seaham. Anyone else in this family search area. Kind regards Keith _________________________________________________________________ 25GB of FREE Online Storage – Find out more http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665320/direct/01/

For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search both the Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy in an effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J Murphy was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as in the transcription by Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's maiden name is Jordan. Regards, Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia

Anybody know CLARK or CLARKE PITYMEE OR DURHAM area NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE or PARTINGTON NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE.

I'm new to researching in Durham Is there anyone here with an interest in William FELDON bn 1850 in Worcs who moved to Durham with his first wife Martha WOOLDRIDGE in the 1870's he married Jane Ann WILLIAMS in 1891 and his third wife Emily BULMER in 1901. William died in 1908. Children Ruth, Mary, Martha, Connor, Samuel, William, John, Rebecca, Charles, Miriam, Rachel Thank you Angela Ontario, Canada

Hi List, I am trying to trace any family of William Edward HOLLOW who is listed the Wards Directories for Gateshead as follows: - in 1925 HOLLOW, Wm. E. clerk, Beacon Villas, Kell's Lane in 1929 HOLLOW, Wm. E. accnt., Tyneholme, Alverstone Ave. William married Eva Maud BOWEN in Cardiff 17 Feb 1913. I have identified three children from the Free BMD site : Gladys E HOLLOW born 1913 Cardiff Anita A HOLLOW born 1915 Cardiff, and 'Eiloen' E HOLLOW born 1921 Gateshead I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has any information on this family. Thanks, Peter Bowen South Wales

Hi Lesley The records for Stanhope appear to be included in the Diocese of Durham Bishop's transcripts which are available free on line through the LDS Family Search Site. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Choose Search Records, then Record Search Pilot Click on the map at Europe The last itme listed under Europe is England, Diocese of Durha, Bishops' Transcripts ca 1700-1900 Choose that and then Durham Scroll down the alphabetical list until you come to Stanhope The years indicated are 1762 - 1833 I hope this helps you - I haven't checked for completeness. The records are not indexed, so you just have to work your way through them until you find what you want! You can make educated guesses as to what date appears when, by interpolating - or you can read the whole thing, and perhaps find something you didn't expect. Heather LESLEY STYLES wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Is there anyone who can help me with regard to the parish records for Stanhope please? > > > > I know they can be found online at Durham Records Online but I have some info that I would like to varify before I can go any further with my research. I live in France and cannot get to Durham to check for myself. > > > > My 4 x gt. grandparents were Thomas FORSTER bapt.25 Apr 1795 Stanhope and Susannah OLIVER born 12 Nov 1792 Redburn. > > > > They married 26 Oct 1817 in Muggleswick and had 7 known children...... > > > > Isabella bapt. 7 mar 1818 > > George baptism not located bc 1821 > > Emerson bapt 1 Sep 1824 > > John bapt 26 Nov 1828 > > Ann bapt 28 May 1826 > > Thomas baptism not located bc 1827 > > Oliver bapt 14 Sep 1833 and my 3 x gt. grandfather > > > > I have, however, found another child baptised 1 Sept 1822 with Thomas FORSTER and Susanna as parents called Westgarth FORSTER. > > > > I would like to be able to varify that this child is the child of my 4 x gt. grandparents. It can get frustrating at times as the name FORSTER is very common in and around Stanhope at this time, and it is difficult to match the families up when you cannot get up to see the records in person. > > > > The name of Westgarth FORSTER comes up quite a lot in various records and I would like to know if he is a member of my particular branch of FORSTER. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Lesley > > Normandy, France > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks for all the replies . It explains things a little better. In rely to ; However, what I am wondering is how, if you didn't know what the list was, or even what date it referred to, could you have any idea as to whether the person you mention was your ancestor? I came across this book whilst searching for my ancestor within Jarrow at that particular time .I use a lot of old books for family research.I have been looking into Jarrow at the moment , hence how i come across the book . When I came across the name within this book in Jarrow and considering it is a uncommon name plus around the same time - i see it as a good possibility to be him. sue

Hi all, Is there anyone who can help me with regard to the parish records for Stanhope please? I know they can be found online at Durham Records Online but I have some info that I would like to varify before I can go any further with my research. I live in France and cannot get to Durham to check for myself. My 4 x gt. grandparents were Thomas FORSTER bapt.25 Apr 1795 Stanhope and Susannah OLIVER born 12 Nov 1792 Redburn. They married 26 Oct 1817 in Muggleswick and had 7 known children...... Isabella bapt. 7 mar 1818 George baptism not located bc 1821 Emerson bapt 1 Sep 1824 John bapt 26 Nov 1828 Ann bapt 28 May 1826 Thomas baptism not located bc 1827 Oliver bapt 14 Sep 1833 and my 3 x gt. grandfather I have, however, found another child baptised 1 Sept 1822 with Thomas FORSTER and Susanna as parents called Westgarth FORSTER. I would like to be able to varify that this child is the child of my 4 x gt. grandparents. It can get frustrating at times as the name FORSTER is very common in and around Stanhope at this time, and it is difficult to match the families up when you cannot get up to see the records in person. The name of Westgarth FORSTER comes up quite a lot in various records and I would like to know if he is a member of my particular branch of FORSTER. Kind regards Lesley Normandy, France

Perhaps, in the first instance, could try doing a google search for "maintenance of the protestant religion". That should provide a little historical background reading! JK On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Sue Horn <sue.horn@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I have found a reference to one of my ancestors with in this book; > > Durham protestations; or, The returns made to the House of Commons in 1641/2 > for the maintenance of the Protestant religion for the county palatine of > Durham, for the borough of Berwick-upon-Tweed and the parish of Morpeth. > > http://www.archive.org/stream/durhamprotestati00durhrich > > He appears in Jarrow  "Laurence Brewas". > > I'm not exactly sure what it is about, why would he be listed and for what > reason? > > Any help appreciated with him or with the surname Brewas. > > sue >

I have found a reference to one of my ancestors with in this book; Durham protestations; or, The returns made to the House of Commons in 1641/2 for the maintenance of the Protestant religion for the county palatine of Durham, for the borough of Berwick-upon-Tweed and the parish of Morpeth http://www.archive.org/stream/durhamprotestati00durhrich He appears in Jarrow "Laurence brewas". Im not exactly sure what it is about , why would he be listed and for what reason? Any help appreciated with him or with the surname Brewas . sue

In a message dated 09/03/2009 11:45:34 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: The book is available at http://www.archive.org/details/durhamprotestat00surtuoft _________________________________________________________ My apologies, I did not see the reference in the original post. Stan Mapstone

Hi David Further to my last message, this trio of deaths may help explain the 1891 census entry. Deaths Jun 1882 Smith Leonard Armstrong 1 S. Shields 10a 381 Deaths Jun 1883 Smith Jane 41 S. Shields 10a 397 Deaths Dec 1883 SMITH Jane Martin 4 S. Shields 10a 401 Ingrid

The book is available at http://www.archive.org/details/durhamprotestat00surtuoft Stan Mapstone

Hi David Can I double what the marriage cert for John H Volkman & Jane Martin said? Did it just say Jane Martin or did it say Jane Martin late "another name"? Did it give her age? That 1881 census household is interesting, although Jane's age does not match. I will list the full entry. Jane is indexed as Walkman however the original image does look like Wolkman. 1881 census, Westoe, South SHields RG11/5016 Folio 84 10 Commercial Rd John Smith, Head, Unm[arried], 48, General Smith, born DUR Gateshead Jane Wolkman, dau, Unm[married] 26, born do So Shields Sarah do, Granddau, 5, born do John H. do, Grandson, 12, born do Joseph Smith, Grandson, 3, born do Jane do, Grandau, 2 born do Leonard A? Grandson, 2 mth born do The Smith children were over the page but part of the same household. If Jane's age is wrong, perhaps John Smith & Jane were partners rather than father and daughter? I even wondered if John Smith was John Volkman under another name (perhaps he deserted from a ship?) but I think they would have both said they were married in that case. One of the Smith children's birth certificates might help. Other scenarios are possible - Jane & John Smith are de facto step-father & daughter, or father & illegitimate daughter, or father in law and daughter in law & Jane's new partner is at sea or not at home on census night. However see notes re census entries below which seem to eliminate some of these options. Dora/Dorothy died in 1871 after the census which would account for her absence: Deaths Dec 1871 Volkman Dora 6 S. Shields 10a 487 I note that there are a handful of Wolkman's around in co. Durham e.g. the John Wolkman & his wife Annie in the 1891 census in South SHields & his wife Annie both born DUR - RG12/4161 Folio113. In 1861 the most likely candidate for Jane (based on her age in the 1871 census) was a 19 year old Jane Martin working as a servant in Frederick St, South Shields RG 9/3788 Folio 125. There is a Jane Martin of the right age (9 years) living at 3 Barrows Building in 1851 with parents Joseph & Jane Martin & siblings HO 07/2399 Folio 467. The siblings include a sister Susannah. Then in 1891 we have an entry which seems to tie together the Volkman, Smith and Martin households: John H. Volkman is part of this entry: RG12/4160 Folio 67 South Shields, Ecc district - St Jude's 1 New Tanford??? 3 rooms Thomas Stoker, Hd, M, 43, Sailmaker, born DUR South Shields Susannah do, wife, 50 born do Joseph Martin, wife's bro, S, 42, Joiner, born do John H. Volkman, nephew, S, 22, Gas Meter Inspector, born do Joseph Smith, do, S, 13, scholar born do. I haven't tracked Jane down in later census years - have run out of time and I don't want to spoil all your fun! If you do not have ready access to census data let me know however. None of this resolves what happened to John H. Volkman senior, but it may well be he just left both South Shields and the country. You could join the Rootsweb list for Germany and see if they are able to help. You have the name of his father, anglicised to Edward, and I would guess that Dora may come from his family, as it is a German name at that time, possibly his mother. Regards Ingrid On 9/03/2009, at 2:40 AM, DBF wrote: > The 1881 census (5016/84/21) has an intriguing entry at Weston, > South Shields > John Smith, Head, Unmar, 48, General Smith Jane Wolkman, Daur, > Unmar. 26, S > Sheilds Sarah Wolkman, GrandDaur, 5, S Sheilds John H Wolkman, > ditto, 12, S > Sheilds > > This Jane is possibly the wife of my John Henry VOLKMAN, BUT Jane's > maiden name > was Martin In 1871 Jane was listed as Widow and here we have a new > daughter > Sarah born 1876 (Sarah Kirton A Volkman) >

My apologies to all for having sent my earlier message on this topic without a signature - I was too keen to get it off, I suppose! Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 09/03/2009 09:34:14 GMT Standard Time, sue.horn@ntlworld.com writes: Durham protestations; or, The returns made to the House of Commons in 1641/2 for the maintenance of the Protestant religion for the county palatine of Durham, for the borough of Berwick-upon-Tweed and the parish of Morpeth This book will be volume 135 (for the year 1922) of the publications of the Surtees Society. The introduction, although not the easiest of things to follow if you have no background knowledge, will tell you what it is all about. Very briefly, it comes from 1641, when Parliament was falling out with King Charles I. As part of its "establishing a position" with regard to the King's supposed over-sympathetic relationship with the Catholic Church (he was widely thought to have been a Catholic himself, and his wife certainly was one), Parliament required every able-bodied man aged between 16 and 60 to assent to a statement whereby they said that they were loyal Englishmen, Protestants, and willing to fight, if need be, to keep the country Protestant. A few days were set aside during which, in every parish in the country, all those eligible had to report to their parish church and give their support to the statement, or "Protestation". I suppose the parish clerk wojuld have read it out and got all those present to say "Aye" or some similar procedure. Their names were then taken, and at the end of the period allowed, all those eligible had been recorded as having agreed to the Protestation - apart, as my friend Erasmus Bottle might have said, from those who hadn't. They would be the local Catholics. The usual practice was for the clerk to add their names at the end, as "those who have refused", which makes the list of names complete - but only for able-bodied males aged between 16 and 60. From Jarrow, for instance, there were 110, besides parish officers, who took the Protestation, and 10 who refused. The huge job of transcribing and editing the list of names foorm the original MS in the House of Lords Library was undertaken by the same Herbert Maxwell Wood who was responsible for the excellent Wood Transcripts in Newcastle Library and who was Secretary of the Durham and Northumberland Parish Register Society. The book itself is quite a dull one - long lists of names, with 17th century spelling, arranged under the parish - but use of the index followed by a quick check to see which parish was being dealt with on the relevant page, may be all that is required to establish the presence of a person in a certain place. It is of little use for common names, of course, but for ones that may be locally unnique, it can be very useful. Another useful aspect of it is the informative footnotes, relating mainly to the more wealthy families, especially of the "Recusants" or Catholics, which Wood has added. However, what I am wondering is how, if you didn't know what the list was, or even what date it referred to, could you have any idea as to whether the person you mention was your ancestor? Before anyone asks, the equivalent Northumberland list has not been published. I am not even sure whether it survives - if it does it is probably in a poor state. "Brewas" is almost certainly the Northumbrian surname of Brewis, thought by some to have originated as "Brewhouse", from someone who had worked in a monastic brewhouse - but that is at least partly speculative.

Hello whatever your name is? 1871 Census South Shields RG10/5032 Folio 57 Ecc district - Holy Trinity 183 Eldon St Jane Volkman, Head, W[idow], 29, Shopkeeper, born DUR South SHields Dorothy do, dau, 6, scholar born do John P. do. son, 3, born do Other Volkman entries in the 1871 census are in London and the people concerned are born in Germany. You could try National Archives for naturalisation records but the chances are he did not bother. I could not see a death for John Henry Volkman senior on FreeBMD prior to 1871. Perhaps he just left, or perhaps there has been a mistranscription or perhaps it is recorded phonetically as something else - Folkman? or similar. Have a play and be open as to location of death. If he was a mariner he could have died almost anywhere - including Scotland or further afield. You could also check the 'deaths at sea" - I think www.findmypast.com has the index for these or else your local library may have the index. If you have the marriage, was John Henry's age given or did it just say 'full age" ? Some Bishop's Transcripts are on line for South Shields, for some years and some C of E parishes - coverage is very partial. www.familysearch.org and click on the search tab & choose pilot record search. Click on the map that comes up & follow the links. The BTs have not been indexed so using the search function that comes up will not get you there. If you are not looking at images of handwritten pages you are not looking at the BTs. On 8/03/2009, at 7:11 AM, DBF wrote: > I'm looking for any VOLKMAN connections. In 1941 > one of my Gt Aunts married a Harold Pearson VOLKMAN b: 1910 in South > Shields. > His parents were John Henry VOLKMAN b: 1869 in South Shields (A Gas > Meter > Inspector) and Annie HALL His parents were also a John Henry VOLKMAN > b:? and > Jane Adey Martin b:1855 South Shields, they married 1864 at Holy > Trinity, South > Shields. He was a Mariner. On the marriage Cert his father is Edward > VOLKMAN, a > Sexton. Where might Edward have been Sexton and Where did the VOLKMANS > originate. Any Ideas?a

Ingrid, thank you for your full and helpful reply, forgive my discourtesy in not appending my name, David Francis. The 1881 census (5016/84/21) has an intriguing entry at Weston, South Shields John Smith, Head, Unmar, 48, General Smith Jane Wolkman, Daur, Unmar. 26, S Sheilds Sarah Wolkman, GrandDaur, 5, S Sheilds John H Wolkman, ditto, 12, S Sheilds This Jane is possibly the wife of my John Henry VOLKMAN, BUT Jane's maiden name was Martin In 1871 Jane was listed as Widow and here we have a new daughter Sarah born 1876 (Sarah Kirton A Volkman) Regards David -----Original Message----- From: Ingrid Clausen [mailto:ICLAUSEN@PARADISE.NET.NZ] Sent: 08 March 2009 8:04 AM To: DBF Cc: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] VOLKMAN - South Shields Hello whatever your name is? 1871 Census South Shields RG10/5032 Folio 57 Ecc district - Holy Trinity 183 Eldon St Jane Volkman, Head, W[idow], 29, Shopkeeper, born DUR South SHields Dorothy do, dau, 6, scholar born do John P. do. son, 3, born do Other Volkman entries in the 1871 census are in London and the people concerned are born in Germany. You could try National Archives for naturalisation records but the chances are he did not bother. I could not see a death for John Henry Volkman senior on FreeBMD prior to 1871. Perhaps he just left, or perhaps there has been a mistranscription or perhaps it is recorded phonetically as something else - Folkman? or similar. Have a play and be open as to location of death. If he was a mariner he could have died almost anywhere - including Scotland or further afield. You could also check the 'deaths at sea" - I think www.findmypast.com has the index for these or else your local library may have the index. If you have the marriage, was John Henry's age given or did it just say 'full age" ? Some Bishop's Transcripts are on line for South Shields, for some years and some C of E parishes - coverage is very partial. www.familysearch.org and click on the search tab & choose pilot record search. Click on the map that comes up & follow the links. The BTs have not been indexed so using the search function that comes up will not get you there. If you are not looking at images of handwritten pages you are not looking at the BTs. On 8/03/2009, at 7:11 AM, DBF wrote: > I'm looking for any VOLKMAN connections. In 1941 > one of my Gt Aunts married a Harold Pearson VOLKMAN b: 1910 in South > Shields. > His parents were John Henry VOLKMAN b: 1869 in South Shields (A Gas > Meter > Inspector) and Annie HALL His parents were also a John Henry VOLKMAN > b:? and > Jane Adey Martin b:1855 South Shields, they married 1864 at Holy > Trinity, South > Shields. He was a Mariner. On the marriage Cert his father is Edward > VOLKMAN, a > Sexton. Where might Edward have been Sexton and Where did the VOLKMANS > originate. Any Ideas? David

Hello List I hope you can help a Lancastrian whose researches have strayed into foreign parts in more senses than one. I'm looking for any VOLKMAN connections. In 1941 one of my Gt Aunts married a Harold Pearson VOLKMAN b: 1910 in South Shields. His parents were John Henry VOLKMAN b: 1869 in South Shields (A Gas Meter Inspector) and Annie HALL His parents were also a John Henry VOLKMAN b:? and Jane Adey Martin b:1855 South Shields, they married 1864 at Holy Trinity, South Shields. He was a Mariner. On the marriage Cert his father is Edward VOLKMAN, a Sexton. Where might Edward have been Sexton and Where did the VOLKMANS originate. Any Ideas?a