HI Pat, I noticed that you spelt the place name in your message as Dartlington. Is that the spelling you are using in your search for the place your family were living at. If so then try the correct spelling of Darlington, without that middle letter T. It could be why you are not getting any results if you are searching for Dartlington. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > Hello Stan. > I'm looking for Mary Hannah Brown b.June 1907. at Gateshead, her father > Robert b. 1872 Gateshead. mother Mary b. 1872 she also had brother John > Robert, sisters Florence, Ethel and Lillian. > In 1911 they were living at 26 I'anson Street, Dartlington. I can't even > find any I'anson addresses!! > Best wishes > Pat > >

Someone may correct me on this - but I believe that there is a part of Gateshead which was missed or got lost from the 1851 Census. I beieve this part is in the area near East Street. Also a piece of Scotswood got lost in 1861. Both could contain some of my direct ancestors. Heather > > I do know that there were a family of COULTHARD who were > "Engineer's"living in West Street,Gateshead in the 1851 census. > However,I have Never found out where my William COULTHARD was in 1851? > >

Hello Stan. I'm looking for Mary Hannah Brown b.June 1907. at Gateshead, her father Robert b. 1872 Gateshead. mother Mary b. 1872 she also had brother John Robert, sisters Florence, Ethel and Lillian. In 1911 they were living at 26 I'anson Street, Dartlington. I can't even find any I'anson addresses!! Best wishes Pat

Hi Janet Just a further thought for your ongoing research You seem to have found the family yourself in 1861 and presumably on Ancestry? There does not appear to be an alternative name added (although you have for 1871) Adding the alternative name may mean someone out there also researching the family but may have been unable to find them (they are quite well hidden aren't they <g>) may see them and your contact via the alternative name facility You never know, I have had contact from other researchers for some of the names I have added There is also the postems on freebmd for the births, adding the details and perhaps a research e mail address may prove a good investment of a couple of minutes of your time Just a thought Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > This is the 1861 household > > Name: Meanea Meyen > Age: 29 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: Wm > Gender: Female > Where born: Holland > Civil Parish: St Nicholas

Hi again The most obvious birth of the children shown in 1871 I found is :- Name: Cornelius Meyers Year of Registration: 1865 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Newcastle Upon Tyne County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Volume: 10b Page: 94 This may be the Elizabeth b1861 Name: Elizabeth Myers Year of Registration: 1861 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Newcastle Upon Tyne County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Volume: 10b Page: 59 This is the 1861 household Name: Meanea Meyen Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Wm Gender: Female Where born: Holland Civil Parish: St Nicholas Town: Newcastle County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 67 Household Members: Name Age Wm Meyen 33 Meanea Meyen 29 Elizabeth Meyen 2 Mo RG9; Piece: 3822; Folio: 75; Page: 11; GSU roll: 543192. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Janet > > I think you mean 1871 > > Its unlikely to have been what the enumerator heard, more likely what he > could not read on the householders form (sadly all long gone) > > William is onboard the "Otter" in 1861 have you found Maria in 1861 ? > > In 1871 the place of birth for William is Amsterdam (no Country), for > Maria I would say it says "Hipingen" (again no Country) > > Have you found any of the childrens births? > > Any of those would tell you her surname > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Janet I think you mean 1871 Its unlikely to have been what the enumerator heard, more likely what he could not read on the householders form (sadly all long gone) William is onboard the "Otter" in 1861 have you found Maria in 1861 ? In 1871 the place of birth for William is Amsterdam (no Country), for Maria I would say it says "Hipingen" (again no Country) Have you found any of the childrens births? Any of those would tell you her surname Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Hello Listers! > > > > I have got a William Meyer family, who were living in Jesmond, Newcastle, > at the time of the 1861 census. > > William Meyer said he was born in Amsterdam, and his wife, Maria, who is > misstranscribed as Marid, said she > > was born in what was written down as Hipwegen, with a question mark after > it. > > Probably Maria had a heavy accent, and the census taker wrote down the > place as he heard it. > > Does anyone know of a Dutch city of village that sounds anything like > Hipwegen? > > I have looked at many websites, with no success. > > Since William was from Amsterdam, Hipwegen could have been near there. > Does anyone have any suggestions > > for me? I would really appreciate anyone's thoughts. > > Janet Hopkins in Canada

Hello Listers! I have got a William Meyer family, who were living in Jesmond, Newcastle, at the time of the 1861 census. William Meyer said he was born in Amsterdam, and his wife, Maria, who is misstranscribed as Marid, said she was born in what was written down as Hipwegen, with a question mark after it. Probably Maria had a heavy accent, and the census taker wrote down the place as he heard it. Does anyone know of a Dutch city of village that sounds anything like Hipwegen? I have looked at many websites, with no success. Since William was from Amsterdam, Hipwegen could have been near there. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I would really appreciate anyone's thoughts. Janet Hopkins in Canada _________________________________________________________________ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736

>From the 1911census.co.uk team If you have an ancestor in Gateshead – please bear with us. Due to a peculiarity in the administration of the 1911 census, the area was enumerated as part of Northumberland, rather than with Durham, and the records will be added as part of Northumberland in accordance with the way the census was taken. Stan Mapstone

Strange things happening - Durham is listed as available but when you check the map where available counties should be highlighted blue Durham is pink! I have tried to find my mother's family in Darlington, no matching records! Is anyone else having the same problem? I have emailed the 1911 support to try getting an explanation Best wishes Pat

In a message dated 18/03/2009 19:09:05 GMT Standard Time, canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com writes: I do know that there were a family of COULTHARD who were "Engineer's"living in West Street,Gateshead in the 1851 census. However,I have Never found out where my William COULTHARD was in 1851? Graham: Perhaps you are aware of this and perhaps not - and it may or may not be relevan to your research! There was an enghineering firm named Coulthards in Gateshead in the mid-19th century. I quote Frank Manders' "History of Gateshead", p71 (1973: ISBN 0 901273 02 3). "The next locomotive engineer to set up a works in Gateshead was John Coulthard, who left Losh, Wilson and Bell's engine works at Walker in 1839. The 'Gateshead Observer' noted in September 1847 that 'The largest locomotive yet manufactured by Messrs Coulthard & Co of Oakwellgate was completed this week and placed on the line of the York and Newcastle Company, for whom it was built'. Coulthard's did not long survive the expansion of the great Greenesfield Locomotive works, and closed in 1865." I am not certain where those engineering works were. Manders says they were in Oakwellgate, but the road that became known as Coulthard's Lane led east from East Street, just south of the Ellison Glass Works. As I said, there may be no connection, but engineers named Coulthard cannot have been all that thick on the ground in Gateshead! Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 18/03/2009 23:09:52 GMT Standard Time, janetchopkins@hotmail.com writes: I have also looked for various known family in Gateshead, Durham, and they are not to be found. ______________________________________________________________________________ _ Gateshead although not in Northumberland falls under it for enumeration purposes in the 1911 Census, so you will have to wait about a month. Stan Mapstone

Hi everyone, I have also looked for various known family in Gateshead, Durham, and they are not to be found. Janet (whole families of Pegrams and Robinsons) also, I looked up my house address, 47 Dixon Street, where my folks lived for decades, and 47 Dixon Street is not listed either. (in Gateshead) Janet Hopkins in Canada > From: Stanmapstone@aol.com > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:04:29 -0400 > To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] 1911 census counties available > > In a message dated 18/03/2009 21:40:52 GMT Standard Time, > twohills@activ8.net.au writes: > I have tried to find my mother's family in Darlington, no matching records! > Is anyone else having the same problem? > _______________________________________________________ > > Hi Pat, > Darlington is there, what names are you looking for? > > Stan Mapstone > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Reinvent how you stay in touch with the new Windows Live Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650731

Greetings from Cardiff. I am searching for my Great,Great,Grandfather William COULTHARD he was born circa 1831,possibly at Newcastle upon tyne.The son of William COULTHARD. I have the Marriage Certificate of him of 1853,when at the age of 22 he married  Martha EVANS at St;Mary's Church Gateshead in the county of Durham. This was on the 5th;of June 1853. William was a Batchelor aged 22,a "Joiner" of West Street,the son of William COULTHARD an "Engineer". His bride was Martha EVANS,aged 22 a Spinster of the same address,the daughter of Henry EVANS a "Smith". The two witnesses to this marriage were Edward TOPHAM and Elizabeth MERELIE.Married after Banns by S.A.HERBERT,Curate. The EVANS family originate in Milford haven West Wales,and I have tracked them all down through the Generations. The COULTHARD family on the other hand are very Ellusive! I have William COULTHARD jr;in the 1861,71,81,91 and 1901 Censuses at Milford Haven.     In all of them except 1861,he told the enumerator he was born in Newcastle Upon Tyne. In the 1861 howvere,he told him he was born in Scotland. I do know that there were a family of COULTHARD who were "Engineer's"living in West Street,Gateshead in the 1851 census. However,I have Never found out where my William COULTHARD was in 1851? That is to say,Niether William Sr;or Jr; My Great,Great,Grandfather also went under the name of William Mckinley COULTHARD. and was listed in the Death Indexes under that name when he died on October 1st;1906 aged 83 in Hubberston,Milford haven,West Wales. His son Joseph COULTHARD,[1862-1952] was my Great,Grandfather. He was a "Twin"of George COULTHARD.Both born in Milford haven. Cheers,Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551.

In a message dated 18/03/2009 23:05:35 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: Darlington is there, what names are you looking for? ________________________________________________________________ I have just checked and there are 67,614 records for Darlington. Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 18/03/2009 21:40:52 GMT Standard Time, twohills@activ8.net.au writes: I have tried to find my mother's family in Darlington, no matching records! Is anyone else having the same problem? _______________________________________________________ Hi Pat, Darlington is there, what names are you looking for? Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2009 12:22:42 GMT Standard Time, apearse@muskoka.com writes: Anyone have any knowledge of the barque "Lizzy Fox " ? _______________________________________________________________ >From The Times Jan 29 1895 Schooner "Lizzy Fox" Plymouth for Tyne (burnt ore) has been towed into Great Yarmouth leaky and with loss of anchor and chain. Stan Mapstone

Anyone have any knowledge of the barque "Lizzy Fox " ? A family ancestor was listed aboard at the 1881 South Shields, Durham Census, together with a crew that came from Devon. What snippets of information I can find, indicate that this ship spent much time after 1881 based on South Shields and possibly sank after a collision off South Shields pier around the Spring of 1907. Any info gratefully received. Thanks

Durham is now available. Stan Mapstone

The boys school was St Aidans (formerly known as Corby Hall) I am an old boy. The school was/ is in Ashbrooke Road. The girls RC Grammar School was St Anthony's in Tunstall Road. I actually got a 'blue'bus SDO from Durham each day - Scholars Special Mike in Saudi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Margaret Lavery" <Annathamble@aol.com> To: <eng-durham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] RC Grammar school at Sunderland > In the 50s and 60s, children from Easington, Horden and Blackhall > Collieries, went by bus and train to Grammar schools. > Children from Horden and Blackhall, went to the Henry Smith Grammar > School at Hartlepool, by train. > Children from Easington and Seaham went to Ryhope Grammar School, by > train. > > However, RC children went on the "Blue bus' to Sunderland - but what > was the school named? Was it St Anthony's? > > Ann Lavery > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 50s and 60s, children from Easington, Horden and Blackhall Collieries, went by bus and train to Grammar schools. Children from Horden and Blackhall, went to the Henry Smith Grammar School at Hartlepool, by train. Children from Easington and Seaham went to Ryhope Grammar School, by train. However, RC children went on the "Blue bus' to Sunderland - but what was the school named? Was it St Anthony's? Ann Lavery