Hi There is a death of a Thomas Kavanagh on FreeBMD in 1910. He is aged 345 which ties in with your given birthdate. Perhaps that is he? Reference 10a 126 Auckland March qtr 1910. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "eyshasfineart4me" <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > Hi, i hope i am now with the right list, if not i apologise in advacnce. I > used to be on a list but that was a while ago now. > > Anyway, after many years of looking for my g grandfather I am still > looking > unfortunately. > > I would so appreciate any help. > > No one seems to be able to find him although several have looked. Anybody > any ideas why that should be? > > His name is Thomas Kavanagh born 9.4.1865 in Co Wicklow and married in > Durham on 9.4. 1894. > > I have both birth and marriage certificates but - no one can find where he > died -how is that possible? > > His wife lived on until 1946 and was Margaret Kavanagh, nee Mc Coy born in > Durham. > > They had two children Catherine Bridget in 1896 and John Thomas born 1899 > died 1900. > > Any help would be fantastic. > > How can a person not be found? We have looked for years now so where else > can we look? > > Many thanks in advance for any help/advice. > > E.

I see they married at Brooms whilst both parties were living at Dipton. Did they remain in that district and where did Margaret die? Mr Terry Arthur. ----- Original Message ----- From: "eyshasfineart4me" <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > Hi, i hope i am now with the right list, if not i apologise in advacnce. I > used to be on a list but that was a while ago now. > > Anyway, after many years of looking for my g grandfather I am still > looking > unfortunately. > > I would so appreciate any help. > > No one seems to be able to find him although several have looked. Anybody > any ideas why that should be? > > His name is Thomas Kavanagh born 9.4.1865 in Co Wicklow and married in > Durham on 9.4. 1894. > > I have both birth and marriage certificates but - no one can find where he > died -how is that possible? > > His wife lived on until 1946 and was Margaret Kavanagh, nee Mc Coy born in > Durham. > > They had two children Catherine Bridget in 1896 and John Thomas born 1899 > died 1900. > > Any help would be fantastic. > > How can a person not be found? We have looked for years now so where else > can we look? > > Many thanks in advance for any help/advice. > > E. > > > > www.eyshasfineart.co.uk > > "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, i hope i am now with the right list, if not i apologise in advacnce. I used to be on a list but that was a while ago now. Anyway, after many years of looking for my g grandfather I am still looking unfortunately. I would so appreciate any help. No one seems to be able to find him although several have looked. Anybody any ideas why that should be? His name is Thomas Kavanagh born 9.4.1865 in Co Wicklow and married in Durham on 9.4. 1894. I have both birth and marriage certificates but - no one can find where he died -how is that possible? His wife lived on until 1946 and was Margaret Kavanagh, nee Mc Coy born in Durham. They had two children Catherine Bridget in 1896 and John Thomas born 1899 died 1900. Any help would be fantastic. How can a person not be found? We have looked for years now so where else can we look? Many thanks in advance for any help/advice. E. www.eyshasfineart.co.uk "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly."

Hi. I am hoping that you might be able to help me with the following query. Also hoping that I am on the correct mailing list. I beleive they were based in Hartlepool I am searthing for any information on the "Nine Dainty Dots" which was a song and dance group in the early 1900. I beleive my grandmother Ada Mary Scholey was on of them. I know from a web site that Gracie Fields was on of them. It also mentions "Clara Coverdale's Boys and Girls" I am wondering if these went onto becoming Dainty dots. Also would like any info on this song and dance group. Hoping that you can help me Many thanks Ann (New Zealand)

National Archives YourArchives wiki now has street indexes for some registration districts in 1841 and 1851: 1841: http://tinyurl.com/cfuoqb 1851: http://tinyurl.com/dmly3q Stan Mapstone

There is a postcard of them on the web: I have attached it. Hope this does not break any rules. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne & Kevin" <kevann@actrix.co.nz> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] RE NINE DAINTY DOTS > Hi. I am hoping that you might be able to help me with the following > query. Also hoping that I am on the correct mailing list. I beleive they > were based in Hartlepool > > I am searthing for any information on the "Nine Dainty Dots" which was a > song and dance group in the early 1900. > > I beleive my grandmother Ada Mary Scholey was on of them. > > I know from a web site that Gracie Fields was on of them. It also mentions > "Clara Coverdale's Boys and Girls" I am wondering if these went onto > becoming Dainty dots. > > Also would like any info on this song and dance group. > > Hoping that you can help me > > Many thanks > > Ann (New Zealand) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 24/03/2009 22:40:45 GMT Standard Time, Annathamble@aol.com writes: Was Leaholme a Workhouse at that time, or was it a hospital - and ____________________________________________________________ The workhouse later became Leeholme Hospital but closed in 1971 and the buildings demolished. You can read about Easington Workhouse at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/ Stan Mapstone

I would be most grateful if anyone lives in the area of Holy Trinity Church, Wingate Grange, Durham. Could search for 2 gravestones of the following i would be most willing to pay for any photographs taken. My Grt Grt Grt Grt Grandmother :  Jane DAVISON who died at Station Town, Hutton Henry was Interred in the churchyard on 5th October 1881. Also Her Grandaughter Jane NEWMAN was Interred in the same churchyard on 22nd February 1883 Also from Station Town, Hutton Henry. Many Kind thanks, Lee

Hi Ann Leaholme was a hospital but it was also a part of the workhouse which is on the same site and is currently being used as offices by Easington Council. The Council have demolished the hospital itself and built their portacabins on it! I can vaguely remember Leaholme being referred to as a hospital when I was a child so it must have been a hospital up until the 1960s or so. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Lavery" <Annathamble@aol.com> To: <eng-durham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 > Dear listers, > > A friend of mine is looking for the burial place of his adoptive > mother . His is a sad story, as he has only just found out that he > was adopted and has wondered all his life as to why none of the rest > of the family took him in when first his adoptive father died in 1942, > then his adoptive mother died in 1943. He was taken back to the > orphanage. > > His adoptive parents were Charles Wm Thompson b 1898 and Sarah Cook, > b 1897 at Boldon. The Cooks are one of my main interests, which is > how I come to be involved. > > Sarah and Charles lived at Ryhope, but Sarah died at Leaholme, > Easington. Was Leaholme a Workhouse at that time, or was it a > hospital - and would she have been buried at Easington Village ( she > is not, apparently in Ryhope with her husband) or would she have been > buried at Easington Colliery? Thanks. > Ann Lavery > > > > > On 24 Mar 2009, at 07:02, eng-durham-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Cemetery headstone mystery! (Ken Urwin) >> 2. Re: Cemetery headstone mystery! (George Carter) >> 3. JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN (Alan Elliott) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0000 >> From: "Ken Urwin" <kenurwin@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <007f01c9ac04$5cc8cd00$8e9c8256@pentium4> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello listers, >> >> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help >> solve my query. >> >> I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South >> Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle >> WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in >> 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a >> GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated >> to her and other members of her original family. This headstone >> gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I >> assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death >> in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the >> headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she >> is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date >> of her death as the Shields headstone. >> >> Any logical explanation would be most welcome. >> >> Regards to all, >> Ken Urwin, >> Middlesbrough. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:25:55 +0000 (GMT) >> From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> To: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com>, ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <765534.88901.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Hi Ken, >> The headstone isn`t evidence of a burial. Quite often it will say in >> memory of. The only way of being sure where they are butied is from >> the burial books, which cover the church or cememtery. >> They could be buried seperate or together in either place. >> >> George Carter in Whaley Bridge. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com> >> To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:11:48 PM >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! >> >> Hello listers, >> >> I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help >> solve my query.? >> >> I have a MARY IRVING URWIN? (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South >> Shields.? She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle >> WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in >> 1923.? Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a >> GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated >> to her and other members of her original family.? This headstone >> gives her full name and date of her death.? With this knowledge I >> assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death >> in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the >> headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she >> is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date >> of her death as the Shields headstone.? >> >> Any logical explanation would be most welcome. >> >> Regards to all, >> Ken Urwin, >> Middlesbrough. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:27:41 +1100 >> From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> >> Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BA3605745F6B4006AC7EE4B2C6C26A6B@alans> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Further to my note below, the birth certificate has arrived for >> James Joseph >> Murphy b.12 May 1864 in Hartlepool, but it does not clear up any of >> the >> confusion between James Joseph & James Jordan Murphy. >> At this stage the documented records reveal; >> >> James Joseph Jordan >> # b.Hartlepool 12 May 1864. >> Father - John, Boilermaker. >> Mother - Mary Finnie. >> # Present in 1971 Scot census with his family - Scholar. >> # Present in 1881 Brit census with his family - Junior reporter. >> # No further record. >> >> James Jordan Murphy >> # 11 May 1889 m. Margaret Benson, St Bennet's, Sunderland. >> Father - John, Caulker. >> # 1891 census. b. Hartlepool abt 1865 - Caulker. >> # 1 Jan 1891, his son William Newman Murphy was born. >> James Jordan's occupation - Caulker. >> # 3 Mar 1893, Death cert for James Jordan >> Informant was his brother William (James Joseph also had a brother >> William 1881 census) >> >> Both James Joseph & James Jordan had a father John, >> Both born in Hartlepool abt 1864/5, both had a brother William. >> James Joseph no further record after 1881 census. >> James Jordan first appears in 1889 at his marriage. >> James Joseph's occupation at age 16 yrs was Reporter. >> James Jordan's occupation was Ships Caulker >> James Joseph's father's occupation was Boilermaker. >> James Jordan's father's occupation was Ships Caulker. >> >> Local Studies, Sunderland have been helpful to the extent that there >> are no >> names, other than his wife's on their marriage notice & the death >> notice. >> The Sunderland Cemetery Trust want 22 pounds per person for any >> search.(no >> charge & online in Aust). >> >> Other than continuing to buy certificates are there any other >> avenues of >> research I could follow in endeavouring to find the birth of James >> Jordan >> Murphy ?. Would St Bennet's church have retained their parish >> records ?. >> >> Alan Elliott >> Australia >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN >> >> >>> For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search >>> both >>> the >>> Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy >>> in an >>> effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. >>> >>> So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J >>> Murphy >>> was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as the transcription by >>> Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. >>> >>> Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's >>> maiden >>> name >>> is Jordan. >>> Regards, >>> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com >> . >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 >> ***************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Dear listers, A friend of mine is looking for the burial place of his adoptive mother . His is a sad story, as he has only just found out that he was adopted and has wondered all his life as to why none of the rest of the family took him in when first his adoptive father died in 1942, then his adoptive mother died in 1943. He was taken back to the orphanage. His adoptive parents were Charles Wm Thompson b 1898 and Sarah Cook, b 1897 at Boldon. The Cooks are one of my main interests, which is how I come to be involved. Sarah and Charles lived at Ryhope, but Sarah died at Leaholme, Easington. Was Leaholme a Workhouse at that time, or was it a hospital - and would she have been buried at Easington Village ( she is not, apparently in Ryhope with her husband) or would she have been buried at Easington Colliery? Thanks. Ann Lavery On 24 Mar 2009, at 07:02, eng-durham-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Cemetery headstone mystery! (Ken Urwin) > 2. Re: Cemetery headstone mystery! (George Carter) > 3. JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN (Alan Elliott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:11:48 -0000 > From: "Ken Urwin" <kenurwin@btinternet.com> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007f01c9ac04$5cc8cd00$8e9c8256@pentium4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello listers, > > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help > solve my query. > > I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South > Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle > WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in > 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a > GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated > to her and other members of her original family. This headstone > gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I > assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death > in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the > headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she > is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date > of her death as the Shields headstone. > > Any logical explanation would be most welcome. > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:25:55 +0000 (GMT) > From: George Carter <gacarter@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > To: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com>, ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <765534.88901.qm@web86610.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Ken, > The headstone isn`t evidence of a burial. Quite often it will say in > memory of. The only way of being sure where they are butied is from > the burial books, which cover the church or cememtery. > They could be buried seperate or together in either place. > > George Carter in Whaley Bridge. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com> > To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:11:48 PM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! > > Hello listers, > > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help > solve my query.? > > I have a MARY IRVING URWIN? (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South > Shields.? She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle > WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in > 1923.? Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a > GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated > to her and other members of her original family.? This headstone > gives her full name and date of her death.? With this knowledge I > assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death > in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the > headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she > is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date > of her death as the Shields headstone.? > > Any logical explanation would be most welcome. > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:27:41 +1100 > From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN mURPHY - WHERE BORN > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BA3605745F6B4006AC7EE4B2C6C26A6B@alans> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Further to my note below, the birth certificate has arrived for > James Joseph > Murphy b.12 May 1864 in Hartlepool, but it does not clear up any of > the > confusion between James Joseph & James Jordan Murphy. > At this stage the documented records reveal; > > James Joseph Jordan > # b.Hartlepool 12 May 1864. > Father - John, Boilermaker. > Mother - Mary Finnie. > # Present in 1971 Scot census with his family - Scholar. > # Present in 1881 Brit census with his family - Junior reporter. > # No further record. > > James Jordan Murphy > # 11 May 1889 m. Margaret Benson, St Bennet's, Sunderland. > Father - John, Caulker. > # 1891 census. b. Hartlepool abt 1865 - Caulker. > # 1 Jan 1891, his son William Newman Murphy was born. > James Jordan's occupation - Caulker. > # 3 Mar 1893, Death cert for James Jordan > Informant was his brother William (James Joseph also had a brother > William 1881 census) > > Both James Joseph & James Jordan had a father John, > Both born in Hartlepool abt 1864/5, both had a brother William. > James Joseph no further record after 1881 census. > James Jordan first appears in 1889 at his marriage. > James Joseph's occupation at age 16 yrs was Reporter. > James Jordan's occupation was Ships Caulker > James Joseph's father's occupation was Boilermaker. > James Jordan's father's occupation was Ships Caulker. > > Local Studies, Sunderland have been helpful to the extent that there > are no > names, other than his wife's on their marriage notice & the death > notice. > The Sunderland Cemetery Trust want 22 pounds per person for any > search.(no > charge & online in Aust). > > Other than continuing to buy certificates are there any other > avenues of > research I could follow in endeavouring to find the birth of James > Jordan > Murphy ?. Would St Bennet's church have retained their parish > records ?. > > Alan Elliott > Australia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN > > >> For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search >> both >> the >> Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy >> in an >> effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. >> >> So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J >> Murphy >> was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as the transcription by >> Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. >> >> Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's >> maiden >> name >> is Jordan. >> Regards, >> Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 49 > *****************************************

If you are unable to directly access the burial registers to find out who is actually in the grave in South Shields, then can I suggest you look at this https://portal.southtyneside.info/eservices/frmFindAZ.aspx?FunctionId=64 they have been most helpful in the past. regards Jim Ken Urwin wrote: > Hello listers, > > I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help solve my query. > > I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated to her and other members of her original family. This headstone gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date of her death as the Shields headstone. > > Any logical explanation would be most welcome. > > Regards to all, > Ken Urwin, > Middlesbrough. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Further to my note below, the birth certificate has arrived for James Joseph Murphy b.12 May 1864 in Hartlepool, but it does not clear up any of the confusion between James Joseph & James Jordan Murphy. At this stage the documented records reveal; James Joseph Jordan # b.Hartlepool 12 May 1864. Father - John, Boilermaker. Mother - Mary Finnie. # Present in 1971 Scot census with his family - Scholar. # Present in 1881 Brit census with his family - Junior reporter. # No further record. James Jordan Murphy # 11 May 1889 m. Margaret Benson, St Bennet's, Sunderland. Father - John, Caulker. # 1891 census. b. Hartlepool abt 1865 - Caulker. # 1 Jan 1891, his son William Newman Murphy was born. James Jordan's occupation - Caulker. # 3 Mar 1893, Death cert for James Jordan Informant was his brother William (James Joseph also had a brother William 1881 census) Both James Joseph & James Jordan had a father John, Both born in Hartlepool abt 1864/5, both had a brother William. James Joseph no further record after 1881 census. James Jordan first appears in 1889 at his marriage. James Joseph's occupation at age 16 yrs was Reporter. James Jordan's occupation was Ships Caulker James Joseph's father's occupation was Boilermaker. James Jordan's father's occupation was Ships Caulker. Local Studies, Sunderland have been helpful to the extent that there are no names, other than his wife's on their marriage notice & the death notice. The Sunderland Cemetery Trust want 22 pounds per person for any search.(no charge & online in Aust). Other than continuing to buy certificates are there any other avenues of research I could follow in endeavouring to find the birth of James Jordan Murphy ?. Would St Bennet's church have retained their parish records ?. Alan Elliott Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Elliott" <elliottar@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN > For those of who assisted, the Murphy family have agreed to search both > the > Scottish Census & to obtain the birth cert of James Joseph Murphy in an > effort to solve the mystery of this elusive grandfather. > > So far the 1871 Scot Census reveals that the birth place of James J Murphy > was Durham, England, not Turhone, England as the transcription by > Ancestry suggests. Quite clear and unambiguous. > > Now for the birth cert from the GRO, lets hope that his mother's maiden > name > is Jordan. > Regards, > Alan

It might be that her own family wanted her recorded on the family stone even though she was not in that grave. I have someone who was lost at sea off the beach of Seaton Carew after he tried to save someone else's life his body was never found as far as I know, but his name appears on a stone in Hartlepool Old Cemetery along with his 2 brothers, one of those brothers died on the Somme in WWI. This means 2 out of the 3 the brothers mentioned on the stone are not in the grave even though their names are recorded there, their family just wanted their passing noted on the stone with the 3rd. brother. You could try getting the cemetery office in both places to check for her burial in the appropriate cemetery to find out which place she really was buried in. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated to her and other members of her original family. This headstone gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date of her death as the Shields headstone.>>

Hi Ken, The headstone isn`t evidence of a burial. Quite often it will say in memory of. The only way of being sure where they are butied is from the burial books, which cover the church or cememtery. They could be buried seperate or together in either place. George Carter in Whaley Bridge. ________________________________ From: Ken Urwin <kenurwin@btinternet.com> To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 23 March, 2009 10:11:48 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Cemetery headstone mystery! Hello listers, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help solve my query.  I have a MARY IRVING URWIN  (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South Shields.  She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in 1923.  Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated to her and other members of her original family.  This headstone gives her full name and date of her death.  With this knowledge I assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date of her death as the Shields headstone.  Any logical explanation would be most welcome. Regards to all, Ken Urwin, Middlesbrough. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello listers, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me will be able to help solve my query. I have a MARY IRVING URWIN (nee GRAYSON) who was born in South Shields. She lived in Birmingham with her husband, my great uncle WILFRED BARWICK URWIN, at least up to the time of his death there in 1923. Mary died on 21st January 1964 aged 86 years and there is a GRAYSON family headstone in Harton Cemetery, South Shields dedicated to her and other members of her original family. This headstone gives her full name and date of her death. With this knowledge I assumed that she had returned to Shields after her husband's death in Birmingham,but I now have photographic evidence that the headstone of her husband in Birmingham cemetery also states that she is also in the same grave as he in Birmingham showing the same date of her death as the Shields headstone. Any logical explanation would be most welcome. Regards to all, Ken Urwin, Middlesbrough.

Hello All.The mention of a missing part of the 1851 census for Gateshead,would explain why my COULTHARD family were not found. This is of course because of "Murphys Law!" Or in other Words,You can bet your Bottom Dollar that the person you were searching for all those years,was in that missing Piece of that census. My Many thanks for all of you. I can now rest this line of mine. After 25 years research on this Branch of mine,I can now Forget about them. And concerntrate on the more Easier lines to Trace like WILLIAMS,DAVIES,and JONES. Which Believe me,HAVE been much easier to Trace. Cheers,Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS of Canton,Cardiff. Glam;FHS;#551.

Hi everyone! Just an update to my query about Hipwigen, which is a birthplace that was listed for someone in my William and Maria Myers family, on the 1871 census of Newcastle. Unfortunately, Hipwigen is not a real place, so it had to be incorrect. I got a few responses from some of our listers. Someone said it could actually be Nijmegen, another person thought Hofwegen, which is a place I had never heard of, that is now part of Graafstroom in South Holland. I am woring with both of those possibilites. I went back and looked again at the 1871 Newcastle page, and I am quite confident that the first letter is indeed an H, comparing it to other handwriting of the same census taker. I have found a website called Genlias, which lists a great deal of births, marriages, and deaths for the Netherlands. Another great comment that Nivard had from our list, was to put postems on any family records, births, marriages and deaths, in case other researchers see them. Jenny on our list suggested that I put postings on the regional boards on rootsweb for Holland. There are boards for the various provinces in Holland, and someone researching the family from the Dutch side might see it too. Most of the posts are in English. Thanks to everyone! Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736

Hi, Thought i would repost my interest of BRUCE surname ( and varients ) within Durham ( all area's) . If anyone else is researching this name all dates I would be interested to hear from them. sue

Heather you are probably correct, a number of years ago I was suspicious of the same for 1861 in the Durham and Auckland Districts and on checking each Enumeration District found that Durham has over 1,000 names missing and Auckland over 900 as a result of pages not included on the films. I suspect that these missing pages have survived at the PRO but for various reasons were not filmed. Mr Terry Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Punshon" <punshon@sasktel.net> Cc: "Eng-Durham" <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] COULTHARD of Gateshead. > Someone may correct me on this - but I believe that there is a part of > Gateshead which was missed or got lost from the 1851 Census. I beieve > this part is in the area near East Street. > Also a piece of Scotswood got lost in 1861. Both could contain some of > my direct ancestors. > > Heather >> >> I do know that there were a family of COULTHARD who were >> "Engineer's"living in West Street,Gateshead in the 1851 census. >> However,I have Never found out where my William COULTHARD was in 1851? >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I made a google search for Hipwegen netherlands but couldn't find that name at all so I changed my search to Hopwegen Netherlands and found Hofwegen Netherlands, Try googling for this and see what you get. This link takes you to a Google map of the area around Hofwegen http://www.maplandia.com/netherlands/zuid-holland/hofwegen/ The text on the page is in English. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ This link will take you to a page of the Rootsweb system where you can search for a suitable mailing list. I found one list for the Netherlands, in general, which when I searched the archives of it for the word Hofwegen I got 9 results. Give it a try the language of all rootsweb lists is mainly English. You might eventually find someone else looking for the same family from the Dutch end of things. regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<I have got a William Meyer family, who were living in Jesmond, Newcastle, at the time of the 1861 census. William Meyer said he was born in Amsterdam, and his wife, Maria, who is misstranscribed as Marid, said she was born in what was written down as Hipwegen, with a question mark after it. Probably Maria had a heavy accent, and the census taker wrote down the place as he heard it. Does anyone know of a Dutch city of village that sounds anything like Hipwegen? I have looked at many websites, with no success. Since William was from Amsterdam, Hipwegen could have been near there. Does anyone have any suggestions >>