Hi listers, I am desperately seeking some guidance regarding a 'black hole' that seems to be devouring parts of my family, all seemingly centred on Bishop Aukland. In 1902 Frederick William GRANT (aka William GRANT, b.1875) married Matilda WYLD in Bombay India. Her father was William WYLD, a Miner. I have more or less whittled her origins down to being born in Durham circa 1879-1881, although WILLD is how the surname was enumerated in Black Boy, 1881. Frederick's regiment departed India in October 1903, but by then there was Frederick Jnr., born in that same year. None appear on the 1911 census and no deaths or service histories appear to concur with their details. Frederick had a sister, Annie Flora GRANT (aka Florrie GRANT b1881) who married Frederick William CHAPMAN in 1903. He was purportedly connected to the clergy and was known to have moved to South Church, Bishop Aukland and lived there until at least the 1950's. Nothing further is known as to what happened to either of these branches of the family, except Florrie died in Leytonstone in the 1970's. Any help or knowledge about any of them would be most appreciated, Regards Andy

Sorry Stan, I hit the wrong reply button and it came just to you. Hi Stan, Thank you for the website. I have tried several of my family births, they should be there, and am not getting any results, Lynne. --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Stanmapstone@aol.com <Stanmapstone@aol.com> wrote: > From: Stanmapstone@aol.com <Stanmapstone@aol.com> > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Durham County Council Registrars Site > To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com, ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com, DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 5:46 PM > Durham County Council have redesigned their web site, you > now go to > "Registrars Certificates" at "Online > services" > http://www.durham.gov.uk/pages/Service.aspx?ServiceId=6604 > > Stan Mapstone

Many thanks Nivard, just what I wanted. Janice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "peter stevens" <ztevenz@bigpond.com>; <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] BELL / STEVENS > Hi Janice > > You can find all lists via the rootsweb home page here > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ > > Click mailing lists on the top bar menu > > You will find two search boxes, one to search all the list archives at the > same time and one below to search for lists for various > places/names/subjects etc > > They all work in similar ways to this list and will have a link to > subscribe to them on their respective home page plus a link to the list > admin should you have any queries > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Many thanks to Ingrid in N.Z. for your very helpfull reply. >> >> It looks as though Elswick is in Northumberland not Durham , if so >> do Northumberland have their own list ? >> >> Cheers, Janice Stevens (nee BELL ). > >

Hi Janice Yes, there is the DUR-NBL list & the Northumbria list which also covers both DUR & NBL. I am having internet probs (but not email ones for some strange reason) so can't give you the actual link, but google for "rootsweb mailing lists' and that will take you to the site where you can join as many lists as you choose. All the best, Ingrid On 29/03/2009, at 6:28 PM, peter stevens wrote: > It looks as though Elswick is in Northumberland not Durham , if so > do Northumberland have their own list ?

Many thanks to Ingrid in N.Z. for your very helpfull reply. It looks as though Elswick is in Northumberland not Durham , if so do Northumberland have their own list ? Cheers, Janice Stevens (nee BELL ).

Hi Janice Google "rootsweb mailing lists" for the list including any lists for Lancashire. You can check an on-line Gazetteer for all the different options for Elswick e.g. the one at www.genuki.org.uk There was for example an Elswick in Newcastle- this extract is from www.genuki.org.uk "ST. JOHN, a parish in the W. division of Castle ward, county Northumberland, 2 miles W. of Newcastle, of which town it forms a suburb. The parish is situated on the Tyne, near the line of the Carlisle railway, and contains the townships of Benwell, Elswick, and Westgate. The living is a perpetual curacy* in the diocese of Durham, value £300, in the patronage of the Vicar of Newcastle. The church of St. John is an ancient structure formerly belonging to Tynemouth Priory. There is also a district church, dedicated to St. James, at Benwell. The several Dissenting bodies have places of worship, and there are National schools. Some of the oldest collieries in England are situated in: this parish. At Benwell, supposed to be the Roman Condercum, numerous Roman antiquities, as urns, coins, inscriptions, &c., have been found. "WESTGATE, a township in the parish of Newcastle upon Tyne St. John, W. division of Castle Ward, county Northumberland. It is the north-western suburb of the town of Newcastle. The population of the township in 1861 was 21,272." Genuki also has a number of indexes of marriages, mainly pre-1837 for Northumberland (including Newcastle) and Co. Durham - you could check these for your couple. If your couple married after the start of civil registration in July 1837, you can look for a reference on www.freebmd.org.uk - this covers the whole of England and Wales. You can order certificates either from the respective local register offices or from the General Register Office (GRO) in Southport. The local register offices do not necessarily accept credit cards so it is often easier to order & pay online through the GRO - www.gro.govt.uk The GRO certificates cost seven pounds, postage included, if you have the full reference. More info available on the site. Local indexes have started to become available. This site www.ukbmd.org.uk has useful background information and also links to those local indexes which have been put on line, including modern Co. Durham. Even if you do not wish to order locally it can be a good idea to have a look at a local on-line index if it is available. You may be able to find entries misindexed on the GRO index, or in the case of marriages the local index will hopefully tell you the name of the spouse and the church. Good luck, Ingrid, NZ On 29/03/2009, at 2:47 PM, peter stevens wrote: > > > I have found that there is a second Elswick in Lancashire ; can any > lister tell me > the correct email address to join the Lancashire list as it is > possible that William > John BELL and Mary EVANS were married there and not in Durham. > > Thank you again, Janice Stevens (nee BELL ). > > Subject: BELL / EVANS > > > Hello everyone I am a new lister. > > I am looking for a marriage ; William John BELL to Mary EVANS prior > to emigrating > to N.S.W. before 1840. > > William is believed to have lived on "Elswick" farm near Sydney > N.S.W. which was > possibly named after Elswick, Durham. > > No other relevent information I am afraid. > > I will be most greatfull for any help or suggestions. > > Janice Stevens ( nee BELL ).

Hi Janice You can find all lists via the rootsweb home page here http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Click mailing lists on the top bar menu You will find two search boxes, one to search all the list archives at the same time and one below to search for lists for various places/names/subjects etc They all work in similar ways to this list and will have a link to subscribe to them on their respective home page plus a link to the list admin should you have any queries Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Many thanks to Ingrid in N.Z. for your very helpfull reply. > > It looks as though Elswick is in Northumberland not Durham , if so > do Northumberland have their own list ? > > Cheers, Janice Stevens (nee BELL ).

Stan Yes, thanks, that is the family and you have shown another way to find them. Strange that when you entered Baff Street it worked but I only found it with Baff St! Regards Bill Dodshon

In a message dated 29/03/2009 17:08:45 GMT Daylight Time, Mycottagehobby writes: I was able to get to the tinurl site, but then couldn't get the page to open. I tried clicking the link and then copying and pasting it, but still no luck. Maybe those pages aren't operational yet? ____________________________________________________________________________ The site was working fine yesterday, but is down now. As it is the weekend they may be doing maintenance. Stan Mapstone

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Hello again, ( please see copy below ). I have found that there is a second Elswick in Lancashire ; can any lister tell me the correct email address to join the Lancashire list as it is possible that William John BELL and Mary EVANS were married there and not in Durham. Thank you again, Janice Stevens (nee BELL ). Subject: BELL / EVANS Hello everyone I am a new lister. I am looking for a marriage ; William John BELL to Mary EVANS prior to emigrating to N.S.W. before 1840. William is believed to have lived on "Elswick" farm near Sydney N.S.W. which was possibly named after Elswick, Durham. No other relevent information I am afraid. I will be most greatfull for any help or suggestions. Janice Stevens ( nee BELL ).

In a message dated 29/03/2009 12:30:40 GMT Daylight Time, sandb80-fh80@yahoo.co.uk writes: Yes, thanks, that is the family and you have shown another way to find them. Strange that when you entered Baff Street it worked but I only found it with Baff St! Bill, Sorry that was a mistake !!! Of course you have to enter Baff St Stan

Hello, Reference my posting, dated 23rd March, about an ancestor of mine being recorded on two headstones in two cemeteries miles apart, I received three most helpful replies and I am writing to acknowledge, with thanks the senders, JENNY DE ANGELIS, GEORGE CARTER and JIM MADDISON. I have now deduced that the death, which occurred in South Shields was not the place of the burial, as it now seems that she was buried with her husband at Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham. A funny thing this family history lark, you close one door and another one (or more) opens! Kind regards to all, Ken Urwin, Middlesbrough.

I thought fellow listers might be interested in my experience with the 1911 census. I knew my DODSHON ancestors were living in Spennymoor in 1911, but a search on "Dodshon" alone and with various forenames produced Nil return. I knew an address from the 1901 census and a search on 38 Baff Street gave Nil return. I tried Baff St and this produced a list of the whole of Baff Street and included my family. The name "Dodshon" is quite clear on the form!!!! I also searched for my mother's family and found them straight away. However it was interesting to see the address given as "Mount Pleasant" and no street name. So if the name had not been found it is doubtful if I would have found them from the address even though I know it was in Mount Pleasant. So if searching on an address try all possibilities!!! Regards Bill Dodshon

Hello everyone I am a new lister. I am looking for a marriage ; William John BELL to Mary EVANS prior to emigrating to N.S.W. before 1840. William is believed to have lived on "Elswick" farm near Sydney N.S.W. which was possibly named after Elswick, Durham. No other relevent information I am afraid. I will be most greatfull for any help or suggestions. Janice Stevens ( nee BELL ).

Hi Bill They appear to be transcribed as DODSTON. If you leave the NAME fields blank and enter # in the Census Reference, and Durham, Aukland, 38 Baff Street you get HOUSEHOLD DODSTON ELIZABETH F 1868 43 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON EMILY GERTRUDE F 1891 20 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON FREDERICK M 189615 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON HENRY M 1898 13 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON JOHN M 1868 43 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON JOHN LAWRENCE M 1894 17 Auckland Durham HOUSEHOLD DODSTON WILLIAM 1902 Is this the family? Stan Mapstone

Thanks John, but it's not actually my query, only trying to help. There is a Thomas Kavanagh in Co Durham who was born Co Wicklow circa 1865 but he was the son of Sylvester and still living with his parents unmarried in 1901. The church entry records the father of this Thomas "Cavanagh" to be John. If "E" who commenced the thread could supply more information from the certificates etc. it would be helpful. Terry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Scott" <john.ships@sasktel.net> To: "J. T. Arthur" <JohnArthur994@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > Hi Terry > > Death: KAVANAGH John Thomas / age.1y / Newcastle T. / Vol. 10b / page. > 62 / Apr May Jun 1900 > > Is this your Margaret > > Death: KAVANAGH Margaret / age.77y / Chester / Vol. 10a / page. 156 / Jul > Aug Sep 1947 > > > John > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. T. Arthur" <JohnArthur994@btinternet.com> > To: "Skye" <skye121@btinternet.com> > Cc: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > > >> The trouble is there was an unmarried Thomas Kavanagh the same age within >> the Auckland district which is more likely to be him. This Thomas >> Kavanagh >> married in the Lanchester district and we really need more information to >> help. Where the children where born and where one of them died in 1900 >> plus >> where Margaret died would help. >> >> Terry. > >

Hello, I am writing for direction as to the best type of letter to write to possible relatives (same surname, & county) that I have never met, but who I have located via the Ancestry UK phone directories. Understanding the importance of the connections, I also want to do it sensitively and professionally. I live in the U.S., and our attitudes on this may be very different. Also using the address from the book, is that all I need? Example: John Smith (alias) 41 Smith Avenue, Town, Durham, DH6 4LT Town Durham UK??? many thanks for any experiences shared, and any good orderly direction! regards Nancy

The trouble is there was an unmarried Thomas Kavanagh the same age within the Auckland district which is more likely to be him. This Thomas Kavanagh married in the Lanchester district and we really need more information to help. Where the children where born and where one of them died in 1900 plus where Margaret died would help. Terry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skye" <skye121@btinternet.com> To: "eyshasfineart4me" <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > Hi > > There is a death of a Thomas Kavanagh on FreeBMD in 1910. He is aged 345 > which ties in with your given birthdate. Perhaps that is he? > > Reference 10a 126 Auckland March qtr 1910. > > Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eyshasfineart4me" <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 PM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > > >> Hi, i hope i am now with the right list, if not i apologise in advacnce. >> I >> used to be on a list but that was a while ago now. >> >> Anyway, after many years of looking for my g grandfather I am still >> looking >> unfortunately. >> >> I would so appreciate any help. >> >> No one seems to be able to find him although several have looked. Anybody >> any ideas why that should be? >> >> His name is Thomas Kavanagh born 9.4.1865 in Co Wicklow and married in >> Durham on 9.4. 1894. >> >> I have both birth and marriage certificates but - no one can find where >> he >> died -how is that possible? >> >> His wife lived on until 1946 and was Margaret Kavanagh, nee Mc Coy born >> in >> Durham. >> >> They had two children Catherine Bridget in 1896 and John Thomas born 1899 >> died 1900. >> >> Any help would be fantastic. >> >> How can a person not be found? We have looked for years now so where else >> can we look? >> >> Many thanks in advance for any help/advice. >> >> E. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Erm... That age should be 45!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "eyshasfineart4me" <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Kavanagh > Hi, i hope i am now with the right list, if not i apologise in advacnce. I > used to be on a list but that was a while ago now. > > Anyway, after many years of looking for my g grandfather I am still > looking > unfortunately. > > I would so appreciate any help. > > No one seems to be able to find him although several have looked. Anybody > any ideas why that should be? > > His name is Thomas Kavanagh born 9.4.1865 in Co Wicklow and married in > Durham on 9.4. 1894. > > I have both birth and marriage certificates but - no one can find where he > died -how is that possible? > > His wife lived on until 1946 and was Margaret Kavanagh, nee Mc Coy born in > Durham. > > They had two children Catherine Bridget in 1896 and John Thomas born 1899 > died 1900. > > Any help would be fantastic. > > How can a person not be found? We have looked for years now so where else > can we look? > > Many thanks in advance for any help/advice. > > E. > > > > www.eyshasfineart.co.uk > > "Never Live Life Faster Than Your Guardian Angel Can Fly." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 03/26/09 07:12:00