Hello Listers, Could someone send us the address to any YORKSHIRE site similar to this please. Regards Bronwen and David

In a message dated 17/06/2009 10:13:58 GMT Standard Time, peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com writes: I am sorry also that it may appear that Jane seems [or gives the impression] that a connection between Durham and Cheshire may be a little incredible. My Fathers family came from Cheshire, my Mothers from Durham, my Father and Mother were married in Scotland, my paternal grandfather was Norwegian [hence the Olsen], and during 25 years service in the Army I married a Scot, my son was born in Germany and my daughter in Hong Kong. As nice as it may be to some we are not all able to have a nice little geographical I know the situation. My gt-gt-gt-grandfather came to Co.Durham from Lancashire (where his family had previously lived for generations) around the time of the Battle of Waterloo. His grandson (an officer in the Salvation Army) got married in Norwich to a lady from London whose parents came from Suffolk. Their first two c hildren (one of them my grandmother) were born in Plymouth, and subsequent ones in South Africa and Australia. He finally came home and died in London. Another gt-grandfather was a travelling salesman, so you can just imagine what fun it is tracing his kids, whose birthplaces are scattered from one end of the country to another. Oh well, life's rich tapestry. Cheers -- Mike Stone - Peterborough, England. For the strength of the hills we bless thee, Our God, our fathers' God. Thou hast made they children mighty, By the touch of the mountain sod. Thou hast led Thy chosen Israel To freedom's last abode. For the strength of the hills we bless thee, Our God, our fathers' God. (Hymns of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, No 35)

Greetings to all, Very many thanks to all who took time to reply. My apology to all as I did not understand that the 1911 Census was [or still is] pre payment per view, I was given information, wrong as it turns out, that the 1911 Census had been released [or parts of it] to some 'Family Membership' sites. This then proves that not all we are told, or at least led to believe is true. I did not as Jane may seem to think expect anyone to pay per view credit for information for me as I had been led to believe some members may have free access to it. I am sorry also that it may appear that Jane seems [or gives the impression] that a connection between Durham and Cheshire may be a little incredible. My Fathers family came from Cheshire, my Mothers from Durham, my Father and Mother were married in Scotland, my paternal grandfather was Norwegian [hence the Olsen], and during 25 years service in the Army I married a Scot, my son was born in Germany and my daughter in Hong Kong. As nice as it may be to some we are not all able to have a nice little geographical boundary that families live within. Very grateful thanks to Geoff. Certainly the 1901 Census in District 23 Birkenhead shows there to be only one Horatio Street in Birkenhead. So the very kind information you have found seems shows it still a little early for the family to be living there, but that is the address shown on my fathers birth certificate for 15 Oct 1912. Again my very sincere thanks to all and apologies for any embarrassment caused. Regards to all Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fellowes" <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> To: <eng-durham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Census Look Up > Greetings to all, > I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. > If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind > enough to do a look up for me. > > I would like to know who was living at: > > 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. > > I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the > married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am > interested in, Florence Elizabeth Fellowes or Olsen, [or any variation] > she was born 4 Dec 1886 and would have been 25 in 1911 [give or take six > months either way]. She was my Paternal Grandmother. > > Fellowes may be spelt without the second 'E' [Fellows]. If it is Florence > I would also like to know where she was born and any occupation given. > > I am with Ancestry UK and they do not yet have the 1911 Census. > > Best Regards to all. > > Peter Fellowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Hi again I've done a bit of searching of the 1911 Census index online.... Bear in mind that there may be more than one 6 Horatio Street in the Birkenhead area, but there appears to be seven residents - Mary Bayley, aged 47 Emma Bayley, aged 21 Florence Bayley, aged 19 Elizabeth Bayley aged 17 Alfred Bayley, aged 10 Beatie Bayley, aged ? months James Burgin, aged 21 Searching elsewhere, there are no Florence Fellowe's, Elizabeth Olsen's or Florence Olsen's (b1883-1889) living in Birkenhead, but two Elizabeth Fellowe's (one 1886, another 1888)..... but obviously no more until I can see the images next week..... Regards Geoff in glorious Sevilla (researching HOWKER worldwide) > From: peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com > To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:50:33 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Census Look Up > > Greetings to all, > I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind enough to do a look up for me. > > I would like to know who was living at: > > 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. > > I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am interested in, Florence Elizabeth Fellowes or Olsen, [or any variation] she was born 4 Dec 1886 and would have been 25 in 1911 [give or take six months either way]. She was my Paternal Grandmother. > > Fellowes may be spelt without the second 'E' [Fellows]. If it is Florence I would also like to know where she was born and any occupation given. > > I am with Ancestry UK and they do not yet have the 1911 Census. > > Best Regards to all. > > Peter Fellowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 17/06/2009 11:19:22 GMT Daylight Time, ovington1@sky.com writes: All lists can be found at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ All the lists for England are at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ Stan Mapstone

Peter, Hi The 1911 Census is free to view - both images and transcriptions - at The National Archives in Kew, and 20p to print a copy of either..... We're home later this week and on grand parent duties in Winchmore Hill next week, when we hope to escape for a few hours to TNA on Tuesday, while the little terrors are at school and nursery. I'll have a look for you then and contact you afterwards...... Regards Geoff in glorious Sevilla (researching HOWKER worldwide) > From: peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com > To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:50:33 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Census Look Up > > Greetings to all, > I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind enough to do a look up for me. > > I would like to know who was living at: > > 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. > > I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am interested in, Florence Elizabeth Fellowes or Olsen, [or any variation] she was born 4 Dec 1886 and would have been 25 in 1911 [give or take six months either way]. She was my Paternal Grandmother. > > Fellowes may be spelt without the second 'E' [Fellows]. If it is Florence I would also like to know where she was born and any occupation given. > > I am with Ancestry UK and they do not yet have the 1911 Census. > > Best Regards to all. > > Peter Fellowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 17/06/2009 08:51:15 GMT Daylight Time, geoffwatsone@hotmail.com writes: Bear in mind that there may be more than one 6 Horatio Street in the Birkenhead area ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ There is only the one Horatio Street in the whole of Cheshire in the 1911 Census, with 101 residents. Stan Mapstone

Hi Peter No one has access to the 1911 census unless pay per view We are all in the same boat unfortunately The index is free but everything else is pay per view Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Greetings to all, > I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. > If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind > enough to do a look up for me. > > I would like to know who was living at: > > 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. > > I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the > married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am

Greetings to all, I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind enough to do a look up for me. I would like to know who was living at: 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am interested in, Florence Elizabeth Fellowes or Olsen, [or any variation] she was born 4 Dec 1886 and would have been 25 in 1911 [give or take six months either way]. She was my Paternal Grandmother. Fellowes may be spelt without the second 'E' [Fellows]. If it is Florence I would also like to know where she was born and any occupation given. I am with Ancestry UK and they do not yet have the 1911 Census. Best Regards to all. Peter Fellowes

In a message dated 16/06/2009 21:36:00 GMT Daylight Time, peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com writes: 1911 Census who would be kind enough to do a look up for me. __________________________________________________________________________ Hi Peter, The 1911 Census is not a subscription site. You are charged credits to look at the entries. Viewing the images of the household pages uses 30 credits, which costs from £2.50 to £3.48, depending on the package of credits that you buy. For 10 credits (which cost between 83p and £1.16, depending on the package you buy) you can view a full transcript of everyone in the household, Stan Mapstone

Hi Terry & Nigel This how they are shown on Ancestry I presume Nigel has edited those parts he knows to be correct? In 1841 I would say the MOWBRAY family are in a separate part of the building and in 1851 there is no mention of step sons only sons Name: Timothy Nickels Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where born: Durham, England Civil parish: Lanchester Hundred: Chester (West Division) County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham and Lanchester Sub-registration district: Lanchester Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Timothy Nickels 25 Mary Nickels 45 George Nickels 1 HO107; Piece 301; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Lanchester; County: Durham; Enumeration District: 16A; Folio: 12; Page: 19; Line: 10; GSU roll: 241348. Name: Timothy Nichol Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: South Shields, Durham, England Civil parish: Cassop Ecclesiastical parish: Kelloe County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham(Street Indexed) Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 12b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 45 Household Members: Name Age Timothy Nichol 33 Mary Nichol 53 John Mowbourn Nichol 26 Jane Nichol 23 Thomas Nichol 16 George Nichol 13 Thomas Apploby 2 HO107; Piece: 2391; Folio: 550; Page: 13; GSU roll: 87069. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > This is what I have, I got the 1841 info from Ancestry last week > 1841 Census, Lanchester District > Holmside , Crag Head > Timothy Nichols, 25, Coalminer > Mary Nichols, 45 > George Nichols, 1 > John Mowbray, 15, Coalminer > Jane Mowbray, 10 > Mary Mowbray, 10 > Hannah Mowbray, 9 > Thomas Mowbray, 5 > Richard Routledge, 10, Coalminer > Joseph Jopling, 25, Coalminer, N > Ann Jopling, 25, N > Peter Jopling, 1, N > ********** > 1851 Census, Durham District > New Cassop Colliery Village > Tim Nichol [Nichols], Head, married, 33, Coalminer, born South Shields, > County Durham > Mary Nichol [Nichols], Wife, married, 53, born Heworth, County Durham > John Mowbourn, stepson, 26, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham > Jane Mowbourn, stepdaughter, 23, born Washington, County Durham > Thomas Mowbourn, stepson, 16, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham > George Nichols, son, 13, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham > Thomas Appleby, Nurse Child, 2, born Byers Green, County Durham > *********** > >> Nigel, >> I am puzzled also. I have ancestry access to the census' >> and cannot find Timothy Nichols or Mary or George in Lanchester at all . >> In >> fact not in county Durham. >> The only Timothy coming up is in Ketteringham, Norfolk , born 1815, where >> a >> lot of Nichols were. Terry.

This is what I have, I got the 1841 info from Ancestry last week 1841 Census, Lanchester District Holmside , Crag Head Timothy Nichols, 25, Coalminer Mary Nichols, 45 George Nichols, 1 John Mowbray, 15, Coalminer Jane Mowbray, 10 Mary Mowbray, 10 Hannah Mowbray, 9 Thomas Mowbray, 5 Richard Routledge, 10, Coalminer Joseph Jopling, 25, Coalminer, N Ann Jopling, 25, N Peter Jopling, 1, N ********** 1851 Census, Durham District New Cassop Colliery Village Tim Nichol [Nichols], Head, married, 33, Coalminer, born South Shields, County Durham Mary Nichol [Nichols], Wife, married, 53, born Heworth, County Durham John Mowbourn, stepson, 26, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham Jane Mowbourn, stepdaughter, 23, born Washington, County Durham Thomas Mowbourn, stepson, 16, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham George Nichols, son, 13, Coalminer, born Washington, County Durham Thomas Appleby, Nurse Child, 2, born Byers Green, County Durham *********** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry King" <tmking@hurworth99.freeserve.co.uk> To: "'Nigel Chalk'" <chalkie_at_5days@ntlworld.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-DURHAM] LOST RELATIVE - NICHOLS > Nigel, > I am puzzled also. I have ancestry access to the census' > and cannot find Timothy Nichols or Mary or George in Lanchester at all . > In > fact not in county Durham. > The only Timothy coming up is in Ketteringham, Norfolk , born 1815, where > a > lot of Nichols were. Terry. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eng-durham-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:eng-durham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nigel Chalk > Sent: 15 June 2009 10:25 > To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] LOST RELATIVE - NICHOLS > > > Morning All > > I seem to have lost a link > > Timothy Nichols born 1818 married a Mary b abt 1798, between 1835 - 1840 > They had a son George. > > on 1841/51 Census they are in Lanchester with her previous children > (Mowbray(41) or Mowburn(51) > > I can find no birth records for Timothy or George and no marry records for > Timothy to Mary or Marys previous marry. > > Any help with this dead end appreciated. > > Nigel > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

In the early 1800's South Stockton not only included Thornaby-on-Tees but also parts of Middlesbrough. With the straitening of the River Tees several areas moved from Durham to Yorkshire, so I would recommend widening your area of search. Teesside Archives in Middlesbrough has most of the Parish Records for the area. http://www.middlesbrough.gov.uk/ccm/navigation/leisure-and-culture/archives Keith > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:22:01 +0100 > From: "Sue Horn" <sue.horn@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Allen family- Durham - help appreciated > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001b01c9ed1d$042b7080$0c825180$@horn@ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Geoff , > Robert Allens first wife Elizabeth has to have died before 1832 as he > remarried in January 1832 to his second wife Jane .He remarried in > Stockton > , Durham .I was presuming she died in Stockton only because she had two > children in Stockton and at a later date Robert her husband remarried in > Stockton .My presumption on where she died may be wrong . > Roberts date of birth is c 1796 as i said as i know census are out by 5 > years sometimes more .However the census does have him born within county > Durham - could this mean that in 1841 he could be south Stockton ( > Yorkshire > )? > > sue

Morning All I seem to have lost a link Timothy Nichols born 1818 married a Mary b abt 1798, between 1835 - 1840 They had a son George. on 1841/51 Census they are in Lanchester with her previous children (Mowbray(41) or Mowburn(51) I can find no birth records for Timothy or George and no marry records for Timothy to Mary or Marys previous marry. Any help with this dead end appreciated. Nigel

I don't know his will be a help or hindrance: Baptisms Washington Holy Trinity: George Robson Nichols 29 Oct 1837 son of Timothy and Mary. Mary's previous husband was Thomas Mowbray. I think his burial was 24 Feb 1835 age 41, Waggonman's Row. Janis

In a message dated 14/06/2009 21:08:18 GMT Daylight Time, sue.horn@ntlworld.com writes: i know census are out by 5 years sometimes more .However the census does have him born within county Durham - could this mean that in 1841 he could be south Stockton ( Yorkshire )? It's not a case of the census being "out", just that the rule in 1841 was that the ages of adults be rounded down to the multiple of five years below. Any inaccuracies in people's judgement of their own ages, plus any inaccuracies in the application of that rule by themselves or by the enumerator will just have further blurred the precision, or lack of it, of the perceived possible year of birth. At the time in question, South Stockton had always been in Yorkshire and so could not correctly have been meant by "this county". However if the persons concerned, or the enumerator, were being vague it is conceivable that they might just have thought of it as "this county" even though they would have been wrong in so doing. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Geoff , Robert Allens first wife Elizabeth has to have died before 1832 as he remarried in January 1832 to his second wife Jane .He remarried in Stockton , Durham .I was presuming she died in Stockton only because she had two children in Stockton and at a later date Robert her husband remarried in Stockton .My presumption on where she died may be wrong . Roberts date of birth is c 1796 as i said as i know census are out by 5 years sometimes more .However the census does have him born within county Durham - could this mean that in 1841 he could be south Stockton ( Yorkshire )? sue

HI, Im researching the Allen family.Any help is appreciated. I have a ROBERT ALLEN who according to the 1841 census was 45 years old ( c 1796). He was living in Stockton on tees in 1841 working as a Butcher living with his second wife Jane and son Robert Allen Junior ( c 1833).Census has Robert allen as being born in the county of Durham. I am trying to locate When and Where Robert Allen was born. The marriage to Jane reveals nothing apart from both were widows and wed in 1832 Stockton . Robert died in 1848 before the next census . However the baptism of Robert Allen junior says Robert Allen junior was bapt. 18 March 1832 St. ST thomas Church, Stockton, 3rd son of Robert Allen (butcher) and Jane. Now Robert allen was married before to an Elizabeth , they we in Stockton in 1816 .I have been unable to find a death for her she must have died pre 1832 in Stockton , i have found the two sons he had to her had but am curious as to when she died also where Robert Allen ( senior )was born.also Robert Allen junior b 1833 , where he was in 1851?? Any help appreciated sue

In a message dated 14/06/2009 15:24:37 GMT Daylight Time, sue.horn@ntlworld.com writes: Now Robert allen was married before to an Elizabeth , they we in Stockton in 1816 .I have been unable to find a death for her she must have died pre 1832 in Stockton , Sue: If you say she must have died before 1832 then so be it. However, it was not in Stockton. Nor was it anywhere in Co Durham adjacent to Stockton (there are possibilities but they are all in northern or central Co Durham). I would therefore expect her to have died in that part of north Yorkshire rougly adjacent to Stockton and separated from it only by the River Tees ("South Stockton"). It could well be that the other events you could not find in Stockton took there also. Unfortunately that was in the North Riding of Yorkshire and so is off-topic for this list. One other little point you may have missed - you say that he is recorded as aged 45 in the 1841 census and so was born c1796. In 1841 a census age of 45 means a real age of 45-49 and so a birth 1791-1796, so do be sure not to ignore any birth that fits into that period - or, if there is any chance that the census age is completely incorrect, and there always is, even outside that range! Geoff Nicholson

Hi George This is how they appear on Ancestry (and it looks like CARTIN on the page IMHO) NB you only quoted part of the census ref which is quoted in full below I would agree with you that the occupation is Lab'r at Ironworks, the man two below him is also a worker at the Ironworks and there are two puddlers on the same page Name: William Cartin Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Newcastle, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: St Cuthbert Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Darlington County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 70 Household Members: Name Age William Cartin 33 Eliza Cartin 37 RG10; Piece: 4882; Folio: 7; Page: 14 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I`m picking up the family history tools after a lean spell and getting > ready for our annual trip to the North East. > So might be calling on your help again from time to time. Starting with- > Could someone help with the reading of a occupation in the census. 1871 > RG10 /4882 page 14, this taken from a saved image. > I`m looking at my gr grandfather William CARTER & Eliza. > I`ve previously read the occupation as Labourer in Iron Wrks. Which is > possible. But have never been entirely happy as there seems to be > something added on after Iron, if the word is Iron, which is stumping me. > Any help appreciated. > George Carter in Whaley Bridge