Greetings to all, I just have query that I would like clarifying if possible please, I seem to come across so many 'Urban Myths' with my research I often lose track, either that or it is the advancing years taking their toll. The year is 1915 if that may be of any help. On a birth certificate under column 5 which is headed: Name, Surname and Maiden Name of Mother I have this: Florence Elizabeth Olsen formerly Fellowes. My question is; with it saying 'FORMERLY Fellowes' do I take this to be the mothers Maiden name or does the term Formerly refer [or may refer] to the mother having been married before and this was her married name of the previous marriage and not her maiden name. Regards to all Peter Fellowes

See http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fellowes <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Maiden name or Previous Marriage Greetings to all, I just have query that I would like clarifying if possible please, I seem to come across so many 'Urban Myths' with my research I often lose track, either that or it is the advancing years taking their toll. The year is 1915 if that may be of any help. On a birth certificate under column 5 which is headed: Name, Surname and Maiden Name of Mother I have this: Florence Elizabeth Olsen formerly Fellowes. My question is; with it saying 'FORMERLY Fellowes' do I take this to be the mothers Maiden name or does the term Formerly refer [or may refer] to the mother having been married before and this was her married name of the previous marriage and not her maiden name. Regards to all Peter Fellowes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Formerly is her maiden name. If she had been married before it would say Florence Elizabeth Olsen Late xxxx formerly Fellowes. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fellowes <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:55 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Maiden name or Previous Marriage Greetings to all, I just have query that I would like clarifying if possible please, I seem to come across so many 'Urban Myths' with my research I often lose track, either that or it is the advancing years taking their toll. The year is 1915 if that may be of any help. On a birth certificate under column 5 which is headed: Name, Surname and Maiden Name of Mother I have this: Florence Elizabeth Olsen formerly Fellowes. My question is; with it saying 'FORMERLY Fellowes' do I take this to be the mothers Maiden name or does the term Formerly refer [or may refer] to the mother having been married before and this was her married name of the previous marriage and not her maiden name. Regards to all Peter Fellowes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

The other is a statue of Neptune. http://www.durhamheritagecentre.org.uk/story.html Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Moorhouse <brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 0:29 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] St. Nicholas Church - Durham City Hello: I got a picture of St. Nicholas' church, Durham City, off of the Internet and noted a couple of statues out in front. One of a man on a horse and the other I'm not quite sure. Can anyone tell me who these statues represent? Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

In a message dated 08/07/2009 00:30:11 GMT Daylight Time, brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca writes: I got a picture of St. Nicholas' church, Durham City, off of the Internet and noted a couple of statues out in front. One of a man on a horse and the other I'm not quite sure. Can anyone tell me who these statues represent? They are not so much connected with the church itself as ornaments to the Market Place, within which the church is located. The "man on a horse" is the 3rd Marquis of Londonderry, Charles William Vane-Stewart (1775-1854); born 1775 May 18; married (1) 1804 Aug 8 Catherine (-1812; daughter of John, 3rd Earl of Darnley; died 1812 Feb 11); 1814: created Baron Stewart; married (2) 1819 Apr 3 Frances Ann Emily Vane-Tempest (1800-1865; daughter of Sir Henry [1771-1813; 2nd Bt]; d 1865 Jan 20); 1821: assumed surname Vane; 1822: succeeded as 3rd Marquis of Londonderry; 1823: created Earl Vane and Viscount Seaham; d 1854 Mar 6. Lord Londonderry spent much of his life trying to build up the large landed and colliery estate in Co Durham, which he inherited through his wife, including the creation and development the town of Seaham Harbour, to which he had most of his coal sent for export, to avoid the excessive dues charged by the River Wear Commissioners. He spent so much on this that certain historians and others in Co Durham have in the past taken him as an example of a man as rich as Croesus. However, he was hardly ever without financial problems and had to do a lot of "juggling with his money" to keep himself solvent. Being an employer of so many men in his mines, and those men having often to work in conditions which were poor, even when compared to those in other mines, he is often painted as the archetypical unfeeling, hard, Victorian employer, whereas the truth is he usually simply could not afford either to improve the conditions in his pits or to pay his workers more. I put the words "man on a horse" into quotes because that was exactly the same description used by an uncle of mine, from Ryton, who joined the Army (DLI) in 1917 (he had been in a reserved occupation until then), and who, with other recruits was sent to Durham, where they formed up in the Market Place, and up Claypath, before being marched across to the Railway Station prior to being taken away to the joys of their basic traiining camp, and then to France. He had time, however, to send his mother a post-card from Durham saying "We formed up beside thon statue of a man on a horse and right up thon street behind". The other "statue" is a figure of Neptune, created a long time ago and placed in the Market Place before eventually being removed to a public park. All that was a long time ago, but a few years ago it was decided to bring it back from the park and replace it in the Market Place. See R W Sturgess "Aristocrat in Business: the Third Marquis of Londonderry as Coalowner and portbuilder" (Durham County Local History Society, 1975, ISBN 0 902958 02 X). See also The Londonderry Papers, a major deposit in Durham County Record Office, covering many topics, including Deeds, Colliery management, the development of Seaham Harbour, Railway management and the political and diplomatic papers of other members of that family, including Viscount Castlereagh. The family also owned Wynyard Hall, in the southern part of Co Durham, and kept it, along with their London house, until the 1960s, after which it became the home of ex-coal miner, property developer and owner of Newcastle United (in the days when that was not an insult!) Sir John Hall. Geoff Nicholson

The equestrian statue is the 3rd Marquess of Londonderry Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Moorhouse <brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 0:29 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] St. Nicholas Church - Durham City Hello: I got a picture of St. Nicholas' church, Durham City, off of the Internet and noted a couple of statues out in front. One of a man on a horse and the other I'm not quite sure. Can anyone tell me who these statues represent? Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

Hello: I got a picture of St. Nicholas' church, Durham City, off of the Internet and noted a couple of statues out in front. One of a man on a horse and the other I'm not quite sure. Can anyone tell me who these statues represent? Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca

David of the Swalwell website has pointed out that Hopper's Court was a small alley which led off Swalwell Front Street next to Brewer's Bank. The dwellings there were demolished to make way for the present day Swalwell Club. As regards Cooks Buildings, if you look at the enumerators schedule from the 1911 census, you can see that it appears to run down Front Street, past Holy Trinity Church, Wesleyan Chapel and Butchers Yard before arriving at Cooks Buildings. The actual census returns appear to follow this route as well, the WRIGHT and CLASPER families are in the flats with schedule numbers 16 and 17. Looking at the Godfrey Map for Swalwell, I am unable to identify the church and the chapel, can anyone point me please? Many thanks Rod

Hello the list again. Oops, just had my knuckles rapped, in the nicest way of course. Here is as much info as I can muster; This particular DODD'S family originated in the parish/district of Castle W. I believe; which is due west of Newcastle upon Tyne as far as I can make out! The 1911 census gives the father as THOMAS DODD'S 44 wife ANNIE 42 , son HERBERT JAMES 18, daughter JANE HEDDON 17, son ROBERT NORMAN 15. and father in law ROBERT HEDDON. True to tradition! JANE H (HEDDON) DODD'S married in her own area of Castle W. a JAMES R McDONALD , in June 1922. I believe they had three children, all born in Gateshead. THOMAS D 1924. STANLEY 1926, and AUDREY R born in 1929. I would be most obliged for any information relating to these families. I am particularly interested in finding a living relative in order to obtain permission to ask the Ministry of Defence for the distinguished record of ROBERT NORMAN DODD'S, who served with distinction, both in WW1 and WW2. Ending his service as a Major in the Royal Corps of Signals in 1947. I am carrying out this research on behalf of the Royal Signals Museum. Blandford Dorset. John Richardson Cambridgeshire.

Hello the list. Is anyone out there researching the Mcdonald and Dodds names in the Gatehead area? John Richardson Eaton Socon

Rod Approaching Swalwell from the west - Blaydon - on the right you will see Swalwell [or Whickham] Bank. On the corner is the house where William Shields lived. About 100 yards up the bank on the left is a street which I think was named Railway Street. Turn left and there are buildings on the left, more or less triangular in shape, and in the middle of them, up some stairs was the Wesleyan Chapel. Downstairs was a hall which we used as a youth club, and a printers shop [Fletchers] in the 1950s when I attended that chapel. IThe chapel now seems to be an indian restaurant. I'm wondering if this group of buildings was Butcher's Yard or even Cook's Buildings. Continuing down that street which joins up to Market Lane again, the Church of England was on the right. I don't see it marked on current maps, so perhaps it has been demolished - someone who lives there now can perhaps tell you better. Heather in Saskatoon, Canada Rod Clayburn wrote: > David of the Swalwell website has pointed out that Hopper's Court was a > small alley which led off Swalwell Front Street next to Brewer's Bank. The > dwellings there were demolished to make way for the present day Swalwell Club. > > As regards Cooks Buildings, if you look at the enumerators schedule from > the 1911 census, you can see that it appears to run down Front Street, past > Holy Trinity Church, Wesleyan Chapel and Butchers Yard before arriving at > Cooks Buildings. > The actual census returns appear to follow this route as well, the WRIGHT > and CLASPER families are in the flats with schedule numbers 16 and 17. > > Looking at the Godfrey Map for Swalwell, I am unable to identify the church > and the chapel, can anyone point me please? > > Many thanks > > Rod > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 03/07/2009 15:52:32 GMT Daylight Time, jjminfiek@ntlworld.com writes: Is anyone out there researching the Mcdonald and Dodds names in the Gatehead area? John Richardson John: Dpdds is a very common name in the north-east of England, so I would expect there to be many people researching it, in Gateshead (note the "s" in this name), as in other local large towns. McDonald is usually originally Scottish, of course, but again, it is not exactly rare in Gateshead. You are therefore more likely to get a meaningful answer to your question if you can mention something about the Dodds and McDonalds in question. What are their first names? occupations? religions? dates (years) of birth, death and/or marriage (even a rough date would be helpful), and do you have any more precise address for them at any time than just "Gateshead"? If your information is based on, say, a census entry or a parish register entry, then let us have the reference, as there could well be more to be got from the source than might be obvious to someone not familiar with Gateshead itself. Geoff Nicholson

Peter I emailed you offlist last week, but perhaps my email went into your spam folder? Managed to get prints of the two 1911 Censuses in which you might be interested.... 6 Horatio Street details the Bayley family as previously mentioned - widowed mother, five unmarried children, and a boarder..... And I also found - at 247 Rake Lane - Thomas Fellowes, HoH, 62,Widower, Master Butcher (at home)Ann Fellowes, D, 35, SElizabeth Fellowes, D, 25, SWilliam Fellowes, S, 23, S, Butchers Assistant assisting in business (at home)all born in Wallasey Cheshire..... Hope this helps..... If you let me know your address offlist, I'll mail the prints on to you - my treat! Best Regards Geoff in sunny Sevilla geoffwatsone@hotmail.com From: geoffwatsone@hotmail.com To: peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com; eng-durham@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ENG-DURHAM] Census Look Up Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:49:55 +0000 Peter, Hi again I've done a bit of searching of the 1911 Census index online.... Bear in mind that there may be more than one 6 Horatio Street in the Birkenhead area, but there appears to be seven residents - Mary Bayley, aged 47 Emma Bayley, aged 21 Florence Bayley, aged 19 Elizabeth Bayley aged 17 Alfred Bayley, aged 10 Beatie Bayley, aged ? months James Burgin, aged 21 Searching elsewhere, there are no Florence Fellowe's, Elizabeth Olsen's or Florence Olsen's (b1883-1889) living in Birkenhead, but two Elizabeth Fellowe's (one 1886, another 1888)..... but obviously no more until I can see the images next week..... Regards Geoff in glorious Sevilla (researching HOWKER worldwide) > From: peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com > To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:50:33 +0100 > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Census Look Up > > Greetings to all, > I know it is out of our area but it is directly connected with my family. If any kind soul who has access to the 1911 Census who would be kind enough to do a look up for me. > > I would like to know who was living at: > > 6 Horatio Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire. > > I am hoping it should be either FELLOWES or OLSEN. Olsen would be the married name and Fellowes would be the maiden name. It is the wife I am interested in, Florence Elizabeth Fellowes or Olsen, [or any variation] she was born 4 Dec 1886 and would have been 25 in 1911 [give or take six months either way]. She was my Paternal Grandmother. > > Fellowes may be spelt without the second 'E' [Fellows]. If it is Florence I would also like to know where she was born and any occupation given. > > I am with Ancestry UK and they do not yet have the 1911 Census. > > Best Regards to all. > > Peter Fellowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Durham experts, Please could anyone with knowledge of Swalwell in the past, please explain to me where the following residences of my relatives may be? They resided in "Hoppers Court" in 1891 and "Cooks Buildings" in 1901/1911. I have followed the enumerators route and they are somewhere off "Brewery Bank" which, according to my modern map, is still existing. The supplementary question is "Is there anything remaining of these buildings?" Many thanks Rod Clayburn RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

Hi Val I take it you have :- Name: Matilda Davison Gender: Female Birth Date: 29 Dec 1842 Christening Date: 12 Feb 1843 Christening Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Age at Christening: 0 Father's Name: Robert Davison Mother's Name: Mary (Page 215 of the 1841 - 1847 Tynemouth BTs available on family search under Record Search Pilot has the baptism for Matilda, father Robert, it gives her fathers occupation as Miller , Abode is Billy Mill) Did you also notice :- Name: Sarah Jane Davison Gender: Female Birth Date: 5 Dec 1840 Christening Date: 10 Jan 1841 Christening Place: Tynemouth, Northumberland, England Age at Christening: 0 Father's Name: Robert Davison Mother's Name: Mary (page 667 of the 1835 - 1841 Tynemouth BTs has her baptism, father Robert occupation Miller address Billy Mill) In the 1841 census there is :- (address is Billy Mill) Name: Sarah Davison Age: 6 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Northumberland, England Civil parish: Tynemouth Hundred: Castle (East Division) County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: North Shields Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert Davison 30 Miller Y Hannah Davison 3 Frances Davison 2 Sarah Davison 6 Mo Mary Davison 65 Christopher Ricker 25 Elizabeth Dodd 13 HO107; Piece 825; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Tynemouth; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 17; Page: 27; Line: 10; No sign of wife Mary, perhaps away visiting ? (unless the 65 year old is wrongly recorded but its more likely to be Roberts mother?) Perhaps a trawl through the marriage BTs for Tynemouth around 1837ish might find your marriage Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List, > > Can anyone help with the marriage of Matlida Davison's parents, I know she > was born 29 dec 1842 in Tynemouth and Christened 12 feb 1843 and her > father was Robert Davison and mother was Mary ? > > Any help with Mary would be appreciated, thank you > > Regards > > Val

Hello Everybody, I am looking for any information on the MARTIN family from DURHAM, all I know at the moment is in 1911 they were living at 21, STATION ROAD HETTON-le-HOLE, WILLIAM MARTIN was a DOCTOR he was born in INDIA 1879, his wife was CHARLOTTE ADELAIDE MARTIN she was born 1875 COUNTY CORK IRELAND, their children had to name NAPIER as their second Christian name. If there is any other person researching this family or can help me in any way would they kindly get in touch, thank you. Regards, Syd

No Buttermore Ave in Middlesbrough, I suggest that it was Buttermere Ave. Lancelot Howard Barron LBarron Associates U.K. Middlesbrough U.K. Hello, In 1906, my grandparents immigrated from Yorkshire to Canada. Searching through ships records, I have found they returned to England in 1954 for a visit. While in the UK, the ships records show they stayed at "12 Buttermore Ave, Aklam, Middlesboro', Yorks". I am hoping that someone might have access to records that show who may have lived at that address in 1954. Thank you for your help, Scott B, Canada

Looks like you are right.  Wikipedia shows Aklam becoming part of Middlesbrough and GoogleEarth corrects to Buttermere Ave.  Thanks Lancelot for the info.  Now to find who lived at 12 Buttermere Ave, Middlesbrough in 1954. Scott B Canada --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Lancelot Barron <Barron37@talktalk.net> wrote: From: Lancelot Barron <Barron37@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] 12 Buttermore Ave To: eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com Received: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 2:58 PM No Buttermore Ave, Aklam in Middlesboro' I suggest that it was Buttermere Ave, Acklam, Middlesbrough Lancelot Howard Barron LBarron Associates U.K. Middlesbrough U.K. Lancelot Howard Barron LBarron Associates U.K. Middlesbrough U.K. (Don't take life so seriously.  It isn't permanent.) Hello, In 1906, my grandparents immigrated from Yorkshire to Canada. Searching through ships records, I have found they returned to England in 1954 for a visit. While in the UK, the ships records show they stayed at "12 Buttermore Ave, Aklam, Middlesboro', Yorks". I am hoping that someone might have access to records that show who may have lived at that address in 1954. Thank you for your help, Scott B, Canada       __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.

Hi List, Can anyone help with the marriage of Matlida Davison's parents, I know she was born 29 dec 1842 in Tynemouth and Christened 12 feb 1843 and her father was Robert Davison and mother was Mary ? Any help with Mary would be appreciated, thank you Regards Val

Hi Geoff, re Bishopwearmouth Many thanks for all that detailed information. I really appreciate knowing all that as it helps understand how ancestors ended up where they did. So what did "wear" stand for .Was it old Danish for something? Many thanks for your help and advice cheers Marilyn from Western Australia