Hi Janet, You have probably seen this on the web site For all enquiries relating to online ordering please email col.admin@ips.gsi.gov.uk If you do not wish to receive an auto text response please include GQ in the subject field of your email. Your email will be responded to within 5 working days. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hopkins <janetchopkins@hotmail.com> To: Durham List <eng-durham-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 1:41 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] re ordering certificates from the British GRO to Canada Hi Listers, Has anyone else has had difficulties receiving certificates from the GRO? I ordered two online with my visa, confirmation came, including price paid for two, and then one certificate arrived promptly weeks ago and the other not at all. I found the British phone number on the site, but it doesn't work from Canada. I have emailed them with no response, and I'm at a loss about what to do. Can anyone advise? Janet Hopkins _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, I knew you have to add the country code, 011 then 44, then the number, but it looks like I may need to take out that zero that is before the rest of the number. Thanks for the tip! Janet in Milton, Ont. > From: clylyk@telus.net > To: janetchopkins@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] re ordering certificates from the British GRO to Canada > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:57:26 -0600 > > Hi Janet, > Did you put in the Country code for England? I have a cousin whose telephone number shows as 01 709 585938 but what I have to do > is dial 011 - 44 -170 958 5839. Hope that makes sense. I haven't looked up the GRO telephone number so can't tell you what it > would be. > > Carol > Calgary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Hopkins" <janetchopkins@hotmail.com> > To: "Durham List" <eng-durham-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:41 PM > Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] re ordering certificates from the British GRO to Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Listers, > > Has anyone else has had difficulties receiving certificates from the GRO? I > > ordered two online with my visa, confirmation came, including price paid for two, > > and then one certificate arrived promptly weeks ago and the other not at all. > > I found the British phone number on the site, but it doesn't work from Canada. I have > > emailed them with no response, and I'm at a loss about what to do. Can anyone advise? > > Janet Hopkins > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca > > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ New! Open Messenger faster on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677405

Hi Listers, Has anyone else has had difficulties receiving certificates from the GRO? I ordered two online with my visa, confirmation came, including price paid for two, and then one certificate arrived promptly weeks ago and the other not at all. I found the British phone number on the site, but it doesn't work from Canada. I have emailed them with no response, and I'm at a loss about what to do. Can anyone advise? Janet Hopkins _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404

I am waiting for one I ordered mid-August which is taking longer than normal; however, they did post the following announcement on their website: "Service Announcement - Tuesday 8 September 2009 The General Register Office are currently experiencing high levels of requests for certificates. Although every effort is being made to despatch all orders on time, you may experience an additional one day delay in receiving your certificate(s). We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause. Please note that our Priority Service is not affected and all priority orders continue to be despatched on time." -----Original Message----- From: eng-durham-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-durham-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Hopkins Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:41 PM To: Durham List Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] re ordering certificates from the British GRO to Canada Hi Listers, Has anyone else has had difficulties receiving certificates from the GRO? I ordered two online with my visa, confirmation came, including price paid for two, and then one certificate arrived promptly weeks ago and the other not at all. I found the British phone number on the site, but it doesn't work from Canada. I have emailed them with no response, and I'm at a loss about what to do. Can anyone advise? Janet Hopkins _________________________________________________________________ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would SKS on this list kindly look up the obituary for my great grandmother Emily Frances WILKIN who died January 16, 1930 at 21 North Terrace, Newcastle Upon Tyne? Thank you, Pam Lewin Victoria, BC Canada

Hi Bruce, You asked about the marriage in 1777 between George Wastell & Jane White at Sadberge that you say you found in the IGI. That entry in the IGI is a Patron Submission and not something extracted from the parish registers for Sadberge. So you do need to treat that information with caution, it could be something that the Patron in question invented to fit what he needed in order to carry out the LDS ordinances for the dead. It could also be that the patron did find an entry in the parish register for Sadberge but you can't be sure of that. The IGI is full of such patron submissions, the secret is to look at the entry in the IGI carefully and see what the line "Messages" says. If it says something like the details were part of an extraction programme then that means the LDS will have extracted those details from the film of the relevant parish registers, or Bishop's Transcripts, and you can trust the details a little more than if the messages line says the details were submitted by a patron of the LDS church. The line in that marriage entry entitled Source Details says there are no source details, another clue to show you that it was not something taken from an LDS film. Sadberge BTs are included in the Record Search Pilot section of the familysearch site for years 1762-1859. Go to the familysearch site, look along the top of the page for Search Records and click there to give you the drop down list. Then select Recrod Search Pilot. Once there ignore the initial search pane and click on the link below it "Browse our Record Collection" this will bring up a map of the world so click on Europe. Then from the resultant list of items select "England Diocese of Durham Bishop Transcripts etc.," You will then find a list of the Counties included in those BTs, selecting Durham will give you a list of parishes including Sadberge. If you find the marriage you are looking for in those BTs you can save or print the page as you like. I did not find the marriage for George Wastell and Jane White 1777 in those Sadberge BTs. You might find other entries in the Sadberge BTs., to interest you. but be warned, these BTs are not indexed and you have to go through them page by page, unless you make a guess at whereabouts in the run of BTs the year you want might fall. For example the Sadberge BTs consist of 228 images beginnig in 1762, so you need to go forward several pages to reach 1777. You can change the image number on the screen to take you forward, or back, or you can just use the forward and back arrows to skim through the images. Having read George's reply to you about the marriage Bond and Allegation I looked at the Haughton Le Skerne BTs. Page 29 of these BTs contains a very few marriages between March 1777 to March 1778 but not the one you want, 1st marriage noted is April 1st 1777 the next is May 13th 1777 as these are both written on the same page, listed one after the other, it cannot be the case that there is a page of BTs missing from the set. I think you will need to try other parishes starting nearby, perhaps a Darlington parish or something. Darlington St. cuthbert BTs are included in this record search pilot section of familysearch. The marriage of George Wastell to Mary Wrangham that George Nicholson pointed out to you in 1779 appears on the Haughton Le Skerne BTs page 32. I did spot the burial 26th. January 1778 of Jane wife of George Wastell Farmer in those Sadberge BTs, page 16. This is all the information given in the entry but if you wanted to you could save or print the page for your records. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<I had the dates for the marriage through the IGI and it showed the parish register the date was taken from. What I was want was something that confirmed what the IGI was saying for as you know you can't always trust it..>>

George: Thank you very much for your response to my query and for the info you sent. I had the dates for the marriage through the IGI and it showed the parish register the date was taken from. What I was want was something that confirmed what the IGI was saying for as you know you can't always trust it. Your info has helped a lot. Thanks again Bruce Moorhouse From: eng-durham-request@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 4, Issue 153 To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:02:00 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: NEGenealogy@aol.com To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Sadberge look up please In a message dated 13/09/2009 00:15:18 GMT Daylight Time, brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca writes: If anyone has access to the Sadberbe pr. registers would you kindly look up the marriage of George Wastell and Jane White 10 May 1777 and, if the register has an index, the burial for Jane a year later in 1778 at Sadberge. Bruce: The burial was: 1778 Jan 26 Jane wife of George Wastell farmer Sorry I can't help you with the marriage. However, what was it you hoped to get from the original entry? Can I take it you are aware that in the period after 1 January 1754 and before 1 July 1837 all you are likely to get will be the names of the parties, the parish they were living in immediately before being married (if not "this parish"), a statement that they were bachelor/spinster or widow/widower (not always given), the name of the officiating clergyman and the signatures of two witnesses, plus the signatures (if they could write, just an "X" if they could not) of the parties. What you should hope for is that theirs might have been one of the few (less than 10%) of weddings which were held by Licence, instead of after the calling of Banns on three separate Sundays, which was the usual way. If so, then the bridegroom would have had to have made an Allegation and then entered into a Bond a short time (usually just a day or two) before being granted the Licence and being able to marry. The Bonds and Allegations for Durham Diocese are kept in Durham University Library, Archives and Special Collections and the details of them all to about 1812 were extracted, typed up and indexed about a century ago. In the 1990s they were re-worked, to about 1820, and published on microfiche by Original Indexes, and are now available on microfiche and CD from the NDFHS. They would not tell you a lot, though, just the names, ages, addresses (probably that just means the parish) and occupations of each of the parties, together with the same information (not the age) of a Bondsman (surety), who sometimes also turns up as a witness to the wedding. I hope you've persisted in reading this far because, having written that last paragraph I decided to take a look at my own microfiche version of the Bonds and Allegations. I find that they had indeed married by Licence. It was the usual way among the more wealthy families or among those where speed was important. I think we might put a farmer's family into the first category. They wojuld not want their employees to know all their family business. The Bond and Allegation were dated 23 April 1777 and the parties were George Wastell (21), of Elbay Hill, Haughton, yeoman, and Jane White (22) of Sadberge. The Bondsman was William White of Sadberge, yeoman. As you know, Jane unfortunately died the next year. George didn't waste any time in re-marrying. There is another Bond and Allegation dated 6 April 1779 between George Wastell (21) ("21" means "over 21" and says nothing about have far over they were) of Ellihill, Haughton, yeoman, and Mary Wrangham (18) of Little Burdon, Haughton. The Bondsman was William Wrangham, Little Burdon, Haughton, yeoman, and a note says "William Wrangham is her father". It was usual for the father to be the Bondsman when the bride was under 21, as that ensured that he consented to the wedding. Haughton (le Skerne) is an adjacent parish to that of Sadberge and Little Burdon is in fact the next village west of Sadberge. The two spellings of his farm, "Elbey Hill" and "Ellihill" may be errors in reading the original by the transcriber or they may be differences in writing the name by the ?different clerks at the time. Geoff Nicholson

After much research, I find that my great uncle above, was in the Peruvian Navy circa 1900. He is not in the 1901 British Census. I should be most interested to connect with any subscriber researching this family. I have a picture of Robert WILKIN in his Peruvian Navy Officer's uniform circa 1900. Any suggestions from other subscribers would be most welcome. Thank you. Pam Lewin Victoria, BC, Canada

In a message dated 13/09/2009 00:15:18 GMT Daylight Time, brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca writes: If anyone has access to the Sadberbe pr. registers would you kindly look up the marriage of George Wastell and Jane White 10 May 1777 and, if the register has an index, the burial for Jane a year later in 1778 at Sadberge. Bruce: The burial was: 1778 Jan 26 Jane wife of George Wastell farmer Sorry I can't help you with the marriage. However, what was it you hoped to get from the original entry? Can I take it you are aware that in the period after 1 January 1754 and before 1 July 1837 all you are likely to get will be the names of the parties, the parish they were living in immediately before being married (if not "this parish"), a statement that they were bachelor/spinster or widow/widower (not always given), the name of the officiating clergyman and the signatures of two witnesses, plus the signatures (if they could write, just an "X" if they could not) of the parties. What you should hope for is that theirs might have been one of the few (less than 10%) of weddings which were held by Licence, instead of after the calling of Banns on three separate Sundays, which was the usual way. If so, then the bridegroom would have had to have made an Allegation and then entered into a Bond a short time (usually just a day or two) before being granted the Licence and being able to marry. The Bonds and Allegations for Durham Diocese are kept in Durham University Library, Archives and Special Collections and the details of them all to about 1812 were extracted, typed up and indexed about a century ago. In the 1990s they were re-worked, to about 1820, and published on microfiche by Original Indexes, and are now available on microfiche and CD from the NDFHS. They would not tell you a lot, though, just the names, ages, addresses (probably that just means the parish) and occupations of each of the parties, together with the same information (not the age) of a Bondsman (surety), who sometimes also turns up as a witness to the wedding. I hope you've persisted in reading this far because, having written that last paragraph I decided to take a look at my own microfiche version of the Bonds and Allegations. I find that they had indeed married by Licence. It was the usual way among the more wealthy families or among those where speed was important. I think we might put a farmer's family into the first category. They wojuld not want their employees to know all their family business. The Bond and Allegation were dated 23 April 1777 and the parties were George Wastell (21), of Elbay Hill, Haughton, yeoman, and Jane White (22) of Sadberge. The Bondsman was William White of Sadberge, yeoman. As you know, Jane unfortunately died the next year. George didn't waste any time in re-marrying. There is another Bond and Allegation dated 6 April 1779 between George Wastell (21) ("21" means "over 21" and says nothing about have far over they were) of Ellihill, Haughton, yeoman, and Mary Wrangham (18) of Little Burdon, Haughton. The Bondsman was William Wrangham, Little Burdon, Haughton, yeoman, and a note says "William Wrangham is her father". It was usual for the father to be the Bondsman when the bride was under 21, as that ensured that he consented to the wedding. Haughton (le Skerne) is an adjacent parish to that of Sadberge and Little Burdon is in fact the next village west of Sadberge. The two spellings of his farm, "Elbey Hill" and "Ellihill" may be errors in reading the original by the transcriber or they may be differences in writing the name by the ?different clerks at the time. Geoff Nicholson

Helloe: If anyone has access to the Sadberbe pr. registers would you kindly look up the marriage of George Wastell and Jane White 10 May 1777 and, if the register has an index, the burial for Jane a year later in 1778 at Sadberge. Thank you kindly Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca

I am trying to link up with a family named GRIFFITHS living at 35 Northcote Street, Stockton-on-Tees in the early 1940s. Amongst my late father's photographs is one of W or H Griffiths living at that address. He is photographed in the desert somewhere in North Africa (probably Libya). The photograph is on the back of a postcard and is addressed to "Mac from Young Griffs". This man was an army pal of my father. I think they were both Gunners in the Royal Horse Artillery during World War 2 and fought at Tobruk where my father lost a leg and was invalided out of the army. Going from memory, I think W or H Griffiths was killed later in the war or died shortly after the war and his parents sent my father a gift of an antique salt and pepper set which their son had bought at an antique shop in the High Street in Edinburgh whilst visiting my father. I would like to give the photograph to anyone who is related to W or H Griffiths. Rhoda

As many of you will know, the National Family History Fair is once again being held, on Saturday September 12th (ie, as I write, "tomorrow"), in Gateshead Stadium. I recommend it as a very convenient place to make contact with just about everybody and every organisation active in family history on a national or a regional scale. All the local (Northumberland and Co Durham, Tyne & Wear etc) county record offices and major reference libraries will have tables, as will organisations such as the NDFHS, the SoG, Ancestry, TNA etc and a good selection of local societies from all over the country. There will be plenty of opportunity to discuss your problems with other, knowledgeable, people, and to purchase the latest publications in all sorts of media. Yes, there is a small entrance fee (the size of which I shall not mention) but I am certain any family historian would think it money well spent. The Fair is open from 10.00am to 4.00pm. I, for one, will be there for most of that time, and at lunch-time, rather than queue for the inadequate in-house cafe, I will probably be to be found in the Ship Inn (which I also recommend) a 5-minute walk directly north of the stadium, on the banks of the Tyne, which has an extensive food menu. I'd be very happy to meet any subscriber to this list. Geoff Nicholson

William JOHNSON born about 1810 believed to be the son of William JOHNSON and Ann ANGUS married in 1834 at Gatehead to Mary DODDS also born abt1810 the daughter of John DODDS and Mary GILL.   I have two sons for William and Mary; Andrew believed to have been born 1847 and Robert born 10 May 1850...most likely Gatehead. Names of further children appreciated.   Andrew and Robert JOHNSON went to New Zealand around 1870-1874. Robert JOHNSON married in NZ 1875 to Eliza ELLIS, Andrew JOHNSON was a witness but I'm not sure if he remained there?   Hoping to confirm details of these families and trace further ancestral lines, any further information appreciated.   Thanks Janice 

Egglescliffe is a village and civil parish which for ceremonial purposes is in County Durham. Administratively it is located in the borough of Stockton-on-Tees.[ Lancelot Howard Barron LBarron Associates U.K. Middlesbrough U.K. (Don't take life so seriously. It isn't permanent.)

There is no place called Egglesfield in County Durham. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Janis Noonan <2zpool@charter.net> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:28 Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Egglesfield Parish Church Is Egglesfield in the same parish as Egglescliffe? Janis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't think there was but I am no expert it is just the title and question was Egglesfield. Janis

Is Egglesfield in the same parish as Egglescliffe? Janis

Hello, It matters not which term is used. "The parish church of."... or "the parish church at"... or "the parish church in"...since the church in question is the church of that parish in which it stands. So often I notice that researchers of family history do not understand the position of a village in relation to a parish and/or parish church. A village will be IN a parish. There may in fact be two villages within a parish. The parish church is normally found in the oldest part of the parish but note, there is only one parish church for that parish. If a second village has grown as a result of population shift within the parish there may well be a chapel of ease (daughter church) built in the second village but it will not be a parish church. It may become so if subsequently the area in which it stands is made into a NEW parish. The mistaken information I notice in family history notices is the reference to a family or person in the village of ....when in fact the family may be in the parish but not in the village.A village is in the parish but is NOT the parish while the parish contains the village. The records that family historians use are, PARISH records. Note. Since 1895 when the state created civil parishes, many boundaries have changed and the area of a civil parish may not be the same as the church parish. Ordnance Maps when showing parish boundaries show only the civil parish boundary. Good huntin, Dennis Bramble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Moorhouse" <brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-durham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Egglesfield Parish Church > > Hello: > > > > > > Can someone tell me what the name of the parish church of Egglesfield is? > > > > British history on line says its St.Mary the Virgin > > Other sources say St. John the Baptist. > > > > Pictures on these sources look identical and the information re date of > origin etc also seem to be identical. > > > > Some times when looking up Parish Churches I simply see Parish > Church....... At other times I see Parish Church of.......... And > even when I see these I don't know if they mean THE PARISH CHURCH of...... > or A Parish Church in............ > > > > Can someone help me in my dilemma? > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > Bruce Moorhouse > > brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

Hello: Can someone tell me what the name of the parish church of Egglesfield is? British history on line says its St.Mary the Virgin Other sources say St. John the Baptist. Pictures on these sources look identical and the information re date of origin etc also seem to be identical. Some times when looking up Parish Churches I simply see Parish Church....... At other times I see Parish Church of.......... And even when I see these I don't know if they mean THE PARISH CHURCH of...... or A Parish Church in............ Can someone help me in my dilemma? Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca

You usually say The Parish Church of ******* but you can say the Parish Church in *****. The Parish Church of Egglescliffe is definitely St. John he Baptist. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Moorhouse <brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca> To: eng-durham@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:19 Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Egglesfield Parish Church Hello: Can someone tell me what the name of the parish church of Egglesfield is? British history on line says its St.Mary the Virgin Other sources say St. John the Baptist. Pictures on these sources look identical and the information re date of origin etc also seem to be identical. Some times when looking up Parish Churches I simply see Parish Church....... At other times I see Parish Church of.......... And even when I see these I don't know if they mean THE PARISH CHURCH of...... or A Parish Church in............ Can someone help me in my dilemma? Thank you Bruce Moorhouse brucemoorhouse@sympatico.ca ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message