Hi All, I have a Winnifred Ann MORRISON who married Charles CALVESBERT (no location or date of marraige). She was born Jun qtr, 1892, Gateshead. They lived in Houghton le Spring and had three children, James Nathan, Clive and Winnifred. They also adopted a girl called Gracie. All in name of CALVESBERT. Has anyone this lady in their tree please? Any information on her and the family would be gratefully accepted. Regards. Val. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com

In a message dated 13/01/2004 10:21:20 GMT Standard Time, Karen.Lynn@sglos-pct.nhs.uk writes: > OK, I'll admit to my ignorance ... where's "Islandshire"? I've never heard > the term before! > Islandshire is a region in England, centred around Lindisfarne or Holy Island, including many villages on the mainland. It was historically associated with the Bishop of Durham, and was an exclave of County Durham but was incorporated into Northumberland in 1844. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islandshire Regards Stan Mapstone

On Tuesday 06 Jan 2004 5:01 am, Edgar Iredale wrote: > On Monday 05 Jan 2004 3:40 pm, Sarah wrote: > > The Reveleys originated in Northumberland in Reveley, near Ingram, > > and then spread to Durham and Lancashire. The earliest record I have > > of Thomas Reveley, my grgrgrgrgr grandfather, is his marriage in 1734 > > in Cumberland. A letter written by his grandson in 1855 states that > > "My great grandfather was I have heard my father say resident in > > Ireland to which country I have some reasons for thinking his > > ancestors emigrated in the reign of Charles Ist from Northumberland". > > > > Based on this letter and my research of earlier Reveleys, I think the > > family could have been in Ireland because they were Border Reivers > > thrown out by Charles I, or mercenaries for Oliver Cromwell. > > Unfortunately, there are no records. Thomas and his family are the > > only Reveleys I have ever found in Cumberland, and they emigrated to > > America in 1768. > > > > Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > > > > Sarah Reveley > > San Antonio, Texas > > I have an idea about this. It may be fanciful so I wonder if anyone > else will arrive at the same conclusion. A little lateral thinking is > needed together with some small knowledge of old Durham (County). > > Please give it some thought. I'd be very interested to see if anyone > else arrives at the same idea. > > Edgar O.K then. No replies. Does that indicate lack of interest? What I wondered was whether "Ireland" had been heard when "Islandshire" was spoken. It seemed to me that such an error would happen very easily. I think Sarah's Thomas was from Islandshire and the Cumbrians (like me) could only think of Ireland just over the water. (We all tend to hear the known rather than the unknown.) Then the story gets embellished until the original error is lost in time and detail. Any comments? Am I being silly? Edgar

>>What I wondered was whether "Ireland" had been heard when "Islandshire" was spoken. It seemed to me that such an error would happen very easily. I think Sarah's Thomas was from Islandshire and the Cumbrians (like me) could only think of Ireland just over the water. (We all tend to hear the known rather than the unknown.) Then the story gets embellished until the original error is lost in time and detail. <<Edgar Hmmm....there were Reveleys in Islandshire! According to my research, Isabella de Reveley was tenant of the Tithes of Kyloe under the Convent of Durham in 1400. William de Reveley and his wife Ivetta were for a while afterwards the benefactors to the shrine of St. Cuthbert. Between 1400 and 1600 I have numerous notes on Reveleys in Islandshire who passed down the forenames of Thomas, John, William, and George. Our Thomas named his sons George, John, William, Thomas, Francis, and Samuel. (I realize these names are common, but other Reveley lines passed down Cuthbert, Hugh, and Robert.). There are several Islandshire Reveleys who are unresearched. Thanks, Edgar! I need to seriously pursue your suggestion! Sarah in Texas

In a message dated 12/01/2004 21:55:33 GMT Standard Time, janetchopkins@hotmail.com writes: > Does anyone know how to order English bmd certificates directly from > England, preferably via the internet, paying with a credit card? > This section tells you about getting certificates by post, telephone or fax from the General Register Office for England and Wales which is situated in Southport. To order by telephone please ring +44 (0)870 243 77 88. You can apply by telephone if you have a credit or debit card. We accept Visa, Mastercard, Solo, Delta or Switch. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/registration/CertE_W/other_certificate_obtain.asp Regards Stan Mapstone

If the certificate is for Co. Durham and you have a bit of information you can try http://www.durham.gov.uk/gro/search.nsf/search?openform I believe all the marriages are on here and some of the birth certificates and none of the deaths. It can be hit or miss if you are looking at a common name but if you have an uncommon name or you have a definite date and place this is pretty good. From your order to your doorstep across the pond is about a week. Janis

Hello All! Does anyone know how to order English bmd certificates directly from England, preferably via the internet, paying with a credit card? Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

In a message dated 11/01/2004 23:33:28 GMT Standard Time, hjw@brickhouse.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I have recently added a postcard of Botcherby Bank to my Houghton le Spring > collection. > Botcherby Bank was a passing loop on the single line Sunderland District Electric Tramways Ltd. route between New Silksworth and East Herrington at the junction with North Moor Lane about half a mile from the Wynyard Arms in Silksworth. Whit Monday 12th June 1905, was the third day of the running of the new trams. In the evening a tram was running from Grangetown to Houghton down Botcherby Bank, a steep hill with a sharp right turn at the bottom. It got out of control and ran off the rails at the curve, hitting a stone wall. Many passengers were thrown off the top deck and one boy, William Currie lost his life. Regards Stan Mapstone

I have recently added a postcard of Botcherby Bank to my Houghton le Spring collection. Unfortunately it is not a view or name that I recognise. The postcard dates from about 1902 - 1906 and is a black and white print of a tram, destination Houghton le Spring, seemingly in the middle of nowhere. It is a local photographer and there is a signpost by the wayside but the print quality is not good enough to read. A similar postcard that I have of Gillas Lane spelt Gillies lane seems to have been done about the same time, so I wondered if the spelling had undergone some changes. It has to have been on the tram route and is possibly on the Sunderland Road? Anyone out there for whom Botcherby Bank rings a bell? Heather J

I believe that an ancestor of mine Catherine Carr married a George Richardson at Jarrow Parish Church on 18th December 1817. She later married my 3x Great Grandfather Richard Ramsey/ay 3rd April 1830 at Christchurch, Tynemouth and I am from that union. In order to verify her parents, who I believe were Noble Carr and Jane Matthews, and as I am unable at present to get to the North East to do research, I wondered if some kind soul on their next trip to one of the ref libraries can check the marriage entry to George Richardson to get any other information. i.e. parents, or locality. It would be much appreciated. Heather J Williams nee Ramsey

In a message dated 11/01/2004 09:32:34 GMT Standard Time, GNicresearch@aol.com writes: > Without going into the subject of what on earth a "parloc" is (sounds > like some sort of security device for a bicycle!), This Windows program enables you to locate any one of over 15,000 UK parishes. It will produce a list of parishes in any County or a list of parishes within a given radius of any other parish and also allows Import and Export via "csv" files. It is possible to plot the location of parishes to either the screen or the printer http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Frame.htm Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 10/01/2004 18:47:16 GMT Standard Time, francis@wright334.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Could some kind soul tell me in witch parish TUDHOE SPENNYMOOR is please > just found a relly living there in 1901 .tried on my parloc could not get a > match > Without going into the subject of what on earth a "parloc" is (sounds like some sort of security device for a bicycle!), I can tell you that the Church of England parish of Tudhoe was formed from parts of various others in 1866. Older parishes which lost parts of their areas to the new one were Brancepeth, Merrington and Ferryhill. Tudhoe parish as then formed included the district of Low Spennymoor, though Spennymoor itself, a larger place, I would say, than Tudhoe, was originally entirely within the ancient parish of Whitworth and was created a parish of its own in 1875. Number one priority, though, is to realise that there is no such place as "Tudhoe Spennymoor" as the two words refer to two separate, though adjacent, places. ("Tudhoe, Spennymoor" - note the comma - might possibly have been the postal address at one time, but the comma emphasises that they are different places). Both, in the form into which they ultimately developed, were products of late 19th century industrialisation and therefore they do not fit into the old parochial system very well - hence the need for the new parishes to accommodate them in a sensible way. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

Thanks to all who sent info on Tudhoe yours Francis

In message <001f01c3d7a9$b67d0f80$88cb4e51@wright>, Francis Wright <francis@wright334.fsnet.co.uk> writes >Hi List >Could some kind soul tell me in witch parish TUDHOE SPENNYMOOR is >please just found a relly living there in 1901 .tried on my parloc >could not get a match >yours Francis > > Hello Francis, There are a few churches in the area, depending on what date you are looking for information. There is St Paul's Spennymoor , which has records dating from the 1860's, as well as Tudhoe Grange, which has records dating from the 1880's The ancient parish was Whitworth. More information, including a marriage index for St Pauls 1865-1914, can be found at <http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Whitworth/index.html> For Non conformist chapels etc. see the Hand list from Durham CRO: <http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/usp.nsf/lookup/pdfhandlists/$file/hand list01.pdf> Hope this helps. -- Helen Oram

Hi List Could some kind soul tell me in witch parish TUDHOE SPENNYMOOR is please just found a relly living there in 1901 .tried on my parloc could not get a match yours Francis

Thank you for this Helen. Seems highly probable. I have a birth reference for Alexander, so I will be ordering two certificates in the new future. Judy Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Simpson/Johnson > In message <00eb01c3d57c$ba479420$b66731d2@jthomas>, judythom > <judythom@optusnet.com.au> writes > >Dear List, > > > >My resolution for 2004 is to try and make some headway with my Durham folk. > >There are a few families, so I will split them up, for ease of reading. > > > >John JOHNSON m Eleanor SIMPSON, probably about 1840-45. > > > Hello Judy, > Here is a likely marriage > > Search Results From Marriages 1841 to 1850 > You searched for: REF=DC C/E 3/1 AND YEAR=1843 AND ENTRY=80 > > Surname Forename(s) Year District > JOHNSON John 1843 Durham Central > Display Spouse > SIMPSON Eleanor 1843 Durham Central > > Found on Durham County Council website at > > <http://www.durham.gov.uk/DurhamCC/usp.nsf/pws/Registrar+-+purchase+of+re > gistration+certificates> > > If you could obtain the marriage certificate it should give more > information about their father's names and occupations, and where the > couple were living at the time of marriage. > > Hope this helps. > -- > Helen Oram > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 7/01/2004

Hello listers Does anyone know of a rail crash about 1921 in Bishop Auckland or know where this info may be? I know that it would have been in the newspaper as there were fatalities. (Hope I've got the place right!!) Also is there a list of public houses for Sunderland for 1910-1920? Thanks Linda Researching in this area: COATES, LOVE, GEORGE

In a message dated 08/01/2004 18:37:27 GMT Standard Time, lindaiswright@care4free.net writes: > Also is there a list of public houses for Sunderland for 1910-1920? > Try a Trade Directory such as Ward's or Kelly's. I don't know where you live but if it is locally then you could look for something suitable in Newcastle Central Library or in Sunderland Reference Library, among other places. If not then perhaps you would prefer to obtain a microfiche version - Original Indexes (see their web-site) publish quite a lot, some of which may be available on CD-ROM. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

In message <00eb01c3d57c$ba479420$b66731d2@jthomas>, judythom <judythom@optusnet.com.au> writes >Dear List, > >My resolution for 2004 is to try and make some headway with my Durham folk. >There are a few families, so I will split them up, for ease of reading. > >John JOHNSON m Eleanor SIMPSON, probably about 1840-45. > Hello Judy, Here is a likely marriage Search Results From Marriages 1841 to 1850 You searched for: REF=DC C/E 3/1 AND YEAR=1843 AND ENTRY=80 Surname Forename(s) Year District JOHNSON John 1843 Durham Central Display Spouse SIMPSON Eleanor 1843 Durham Central Found on Durham County Council website at <http://www.durham.gov.uk/DurhamCC/usp.nsf/pws/Registrar+-+purchase+of+re gistration+certificates> If you could obtain the marriage certificate it should give more information about their father's names and occupations, and where the couple were living at the time of marriage. Hope this helps. -- Helen Oram

Dear List, My resolution for 2004 is to try and make some headway with my Durham folk. There are a few families, so I will split them up, for ease of reading. John JOHNSON m Eleanor SIMPSON, probably about 1840-45. They had two sons I am aware of, Thomas Allan, born about 1846, and Alexander, born about 1847. Information from Australian Death Certificates gives John's occupation as Miner. Same information provided on the marriage certificate of Alexander. Alexander was married in the Methodist church. Both Thomas & Alexander migrated to Australia in the 1870's, but I have been unable to locate them with certainty, on the shipping indexes. Is anyone familiar with these families? Judy Thomas. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 2/01/2004