> > > It also could be a badly miss-spelt Newcastle-upon-Tyne with Lyme == > > Tyne > > > That's what makes it so difficult! > The transcriber wrote Northland Newcastle Lynn Not having looked at the actual image of the page I would say it is the usual 1901 error of someone unfamiliar with UK locations and took the T as an L etc. Len Wood London Canada

In a message dated 19/01/2004 09:57:59 GMT Standard Time, fiski@ihug.co.nz writes: > It also could be a badly miss-spelt Newcastle-upon-Tyne with Lyme == > Tyne > That's what makes it so difficult! However, I have to say that in my experience there are far more badly-read words than badly-spelled ones! Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

In a message dated 19/01/2004 04:33:10 GMT Standard Time, iclausen@paradise.net.nz writes: > <I called > Lynn? I had a 1901 census page that said that a g-g grandma was born in > Newcastle Lynn in c1892> > > Could your 1901 census entry read Newcastle Lyme? Newcastle under Lyme is > near Stoke on Trent. > I agree entirely with this. There is no "Lynn" in Newcastle upon Tyne and I myself have read "Lyme" as "Lynn" on several occasions before realising my error. I understand the full name of the "other" Newcastle is "Newcastle under Lyme". Thinking of districts of Newcastle with second letter "y" I can only come up with Byker, and that would seem unlikely. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

In a message dated 19/01/2004 00:52:02 GMT Standard Time, janetchopkins@hotmail.com writes: > I had a 1901 census page that said that a g-g grandma was born in > Newcastle Lynn in c1892 Could it be Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire? Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 19/01/2004 00:45:58 GMT Standard Time, jan.glasby@hawkerc.act.edu.au writes: > It looks like "parish church" refers to the > Church of England one, ie St Mary and St Cuthbert > > Parish Church always means the Church of England Church. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello Listers! I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of a district in Newcastle called Lynn? I had a 1901 census page that said that a g-g grandma was born in Newcastle Lynn in c1892, does anyone know which parish this might be in to search for a birth record? Her name was Jessie Marchbank, daughter of William Marchbank, but I cannot find a civil birth record, so would like to order possible Church films from the LDS. Any advice about this appreciated. I looked into Genuki hoping to find a listing of Lynn under Newcastle, but was unsuccessful. Could it be Land? I can't find this 1901 page, and am working in many binders at once, could be misplaced. Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Westmorland Church Notes is the transcription of all of the monumental transcriptions, church plaques and windows, and other parish church memorials in the County of Westmorland published by Edward Bellasis in 1888. It was scanned and transcribed by members of the Westmorland List, and can be seen at http://www.northofthesands.org.uk/ , or by browsing the List Archives from April thru November 2003. We made up a special list for our neighbors of all the strays. Feel free to pass this along to any of the other Durham Lists. -Sarah Reveley DURHAM STRAYS Appleby St Lawrence BIRD (E.) In a. r. John Bird, late Superintendent of Police at Appleby who d. April 15th 1861, aged 61 y. Also Elizabeth his wife who d. Aug. 29th 1864 aged 72 y. Also Thomas their son who d. at Bishop Auckland December 28th 1871, aged 38 y. Appleby St Michael HUTCHINSON, RICHMOND, WHELPDALE (In. S) Near this place are interred the remains of John Hutchinson, the son of John Hutchinson Esqr. of Durham, and Isabella his Wife, Daughter of Christopher Richmond Esqr. of Catterlen Hall and Highhead Castle in the County of Cumberland who d. I. Anno Domini 1771 Aged 43 y. Also of Frances, Relict of the above, the youngest Daughter of Thomas Whelpdale Esqr. of Skirsgill in the same County, d. 21st Septr. 1821 Aged 77. Appleby St Michael PARKS, BUCKTON (N. W) i. h. s. In a. r. Superintendent Robert Buckton Parks, Late of Appleby who d. at Brampton, Cumberland, June 13th, 1882, Aged 63 Y. He lived Respected and D. Regretted. His End was Peace. Thy Will be Done. Also Joseph Buckton his Uncle, Late of Spring St. Newcastle-on-Tyne, who d. at Appleby May lst, 1871, Aged 80 Y ., also of Elizabeth Wife of the above Robert Buckton Parks who d. at Appleby May 17th, 1883, Aged 64 Y. "Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Matt. ii., 28., also of Joseph Bainbridge Parks Their Beloved and only Son who d. at Kirdford in Sussex, November 27th, 1883, Aged 26 Y. "Until the day break and the shadows flee away." Asby BOAK (S) Here lieth the Body of John Boak of Wolsingham, in the County of Durham, who d. L. Decr. ISt 1767, agd 75. (2 lines of verse mostly illegible). Brough MORGAN (S) Here lies the Body of Mary the Wife of Thomas Morgan from Walsingham in the County of Durham Who d. July ye 20 1745 aged 45. Brough LISHMAN, COWPERTHWAITE (S) In A. R. Isabella Ann the beloved wife of George Lishman of Shildon, Durham and fourth da. of Henry & Elizabeth Cowperthwaite of Brough Sowerby,who d. April 21st 1874 Aged 19 Y. Grasmere RICHARDSON (N) Anna Deborah Richardson, b. 22nd of Feb. 1832 at Newcastle-on-Tyne, d. 5th of Aug. 1872 at Heugh Folds, Grasmere. "That I may know Christ and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of his suffering, being made conformable to his death." Philippians iii. 10. Kendal HUBBERSTY, LODGE (In. N) In m. Zachary Hubbersty of Fallen yew in Underbarrow, Attorney at Law, who d. March 13, 1780 Aged 54 y. also of Phillis Hubbersty da. of John Lodge of Barnard Castle in the County of Durham, she d. November 12, 1781 aged 61 y. Kendal WILSON (In. S) S. M. The Rev. John Wilson A.M. late one of the senior fellows, and bursar, of Trinity College, Cambridge, Vicar of Gainford in the County of Durham, and Catterick in the County of York, Prebendary of Llandaff. And one of his Majesty's Justices of the peace for this County. He d. 12th Jany. 1791 aged 52. Arms, sable, a wolf rampant, in chief 3 mullets or. Crest, a demi wolf rampant ar. Motto, Se sustulit ipse. Kendal MAUDE, HOLME (In. S. W) Near this place are deposited in hope of a blessed resurrection the earthly remains of Joseph Maude, of Kendal esquire, formerly of the County of Durham who d. 16th May 1803 aged 62, also those of Sarah, his wife, youngest da. of Thomas & Elizabeth Holme, she d. 8th March 1831 aged 88. Their offspring nine sons, and three daus. survive both parents. A rms, ar. 3 bars gemel sa., over all lion rampant (gu.) thereon cross crosslet fitchee, impaling or. 3 bars az., on canton a wreath. Motto De Monte Alto. Long Marton SLEE (S. W) In m. Robert Slee of Brampton who d. September 29th 1880 aged 69y. also Margaret his wife who d. October 8th 1888 aged 80 y. also John their son who d. April 1, 1838 aged 18 m. also Mary their da. who d. at Long Marton Dec. 8, 1842 aged 8 y. also Robert their son who d. at West Hartlepool Sept. 28th 1876 aged 43 y. Kirkby Stephen POWELL, SPEAK S. m. John Powell, who d. at Winton April 1st 1861 aged 45 y. Also of William Speak, who was killed by an accident April 17th 1861 during the execution of the works on the South Durham and Lancashire Union Railway aged 31. This stone has been erected by their employer in remembrance of their faithful service to him. Ravenstonedale PRESTON (W) S. m. Esther the Wife of Thomas Preston who d. on the 27th January 1843 aged 41 y. Also two sons who d. in their Infancy. Also John Preston, Slater, late of Sunderland, their third son who d. 1st August 1848 aged 23Y. Also of Henry their eighth Son who d. on the 18th Day of June 1849 aged 11 y. Also of Anthony their eldest Son, Slate Merchant, late of Sunderland, who d. 12th May 1855 aged 33 y. Also of Holme their youngest Son who d. at Sunderland 3rd June 1855 aged 12 y. Also in m.. Thomas Preston of Bowderdale, Husband of the above Esther, who d. June 2nd 1858 aged 73 y. (Other side). In m. Leonard Preston d. March 29th 1797 aged 6. Isabella Wife of Anthony Preston d. July 28th 1798 aged 40. Anthony Preston late of Bowderdale d. at Bp: Wearmouth Sept.23d 1824 aged 69. William Preston, Slate Merchant, late of Leeds, d. at Bishop Wearmouth 15th March 1829 aged, 40. Anthony Preston, Junr., Slate Merchant, of the City of Washington, America, d. May 3rd 1843 aged 51. Also John Preston, Slate Merchant, of Bp. Wearmouth d. August 17th 1858 aged 72 y. In m. Ann Preston d. at Bp. Wearmouth January 19th 1864 aged 68y. Ravenstonedale ROBINSON (S) Near this place lie deposited the remains of Richard Robinson late of Lythside who d. l. June 25th 1811 aged 61 y. Also of Margaret his wife who d. March 30th 1825 aged 49 y. Also of John their only Son (late of Darlington, Solicitor,) who d. Augt. 17th 1842 aged 32 y. Orton HAYTON, HILTON (W) S. m. Elizabeth Hayton Wife of Edmund Hayton late of Sunderland, formerly of this place, who d. Septr. 22, 1843 aged 29 y. A loveing (sic) wife, a friend sincere, A tender Mother lieth heer (sic) In love she liv'd, in peace she died, Her life was crav'd but was denied. Also of Agnes the wife of Cyprian Hilton and mother of the above- named Elizabeth who d. May 10th 1858 aged 70. Also of James Hilton who d. February 27th 1849 aged 32. Also Agnes the wife of James Hilton who d. May 26th 1867 aged 49 y.

>>Many thanks for the website. I thought it was Chester-Le-Street but I wasn't sure which church. It looks like "parish church" refers to the Church of England one, ie St Mary and St Cuthbert<<Cheers, Jan Glad to help. ;-) I recognized it because I have found Reveleys there on the IGI. If you bump into any, please tell them I'm looking for them! Sarah

Dear Francis Try www.jarrowonline.com. An enquiry there may help. Regards Marilyn & Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Wright" <francis@wright334.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] 6- 8 DUKE STJARROW > Hi List > Could any body tell me where I might find a photo of 6 - 8 Duke st HEDWORTH MONKTON & JARROW my Gt Gt Grandparents lived there 1881 & 1891 Census George & Sophia Keeler they where Grocers the shop is occupied by a William Keeler in 1911. I would love to be able to see where they lived and also is the shop still a shop any help would be great > yours Francis > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History > by ROY STOCKDILL > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >

In a message dated 18/01/2004 00:24:50 GMT Standard Time, francis@wright334.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I would love to be able to see where they lived and also is the shop still > a shop any help would be great > Duke Street is no longer there according to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi List Could any body tell me where I might find a photo of 6 - 8 Duke st HEDWORTH MONKTON & JARROW my Gt Gt Grandparents lived there 1881 & 1891 Census George & Sophia Keeler they where Grocers the shop is occupied by a William Keeler in 1911. I would love to be able to see where they lived and also is the shop still a shop any help would be great yours Francis

Hello I am interested in hearing from any one with connections to Wardill MANKIN who married Margaret BAKER. They had (that I know of) Margaret Ann b1854, Elizabeth b1863, Isabella b1864, Wardle( also spelt Wardill) b 1871, Georgina b1872. Children born Sunderland. 1881 Census address 48 Dock Street, Sunderland Regards Kim

In Middlesbrough the first foot used to carry a piece of coal, and some salt. It was a dark haired person because no one wanted a light haired person as he may have been a raiding Viking. Lancelot Howard Barron MANDURAH Western Australia LBarron Associates U.K Web Page http://www.barron40.fsnet.co.uk/New_Web/Page_1x.html After March 30th use lancelot@barron40.fsnet.co.uk

In a message dated 17/01/2004 02:59:58 GMT Standard Time, nancylong@comcast.net writes: > The information I have is only that Ellen RILEY is listed as head of > household in 1861 and am assuming Charles was gone. Is there a way to access that > census? Info I have was gathered by a relative visiting UK several years ago. > I did try the FreeBMD with no > success so will try the GRO and then see if I can locate church registers > and municipal cemeteries. As you need to ask these questions I shall assume you are a complete beginner. The 1861 census - and all 1841 to 1901 - is held in the National Archives and available for their own regions in County Record Offices and major Reference Libraries throughout the country, in the form of microfilms and/or microfiche. Parts or all of some of them have been transcribed and/or indexed by local groups or individuals, such as family history socities, with varying levels of completeness and accuracy. The results are usually published, fairly cheaply, as microfiche, microfilm, book or CD-ROM, and in some cases are available on various web sites. The GENUKI sites are the best starting points for locating that sort of thing. However, there has been very little done locally on the 1861 census which is possibly now the most neglected of them all. Church registers can be held in many different places, depending on the denomination of the church, but to generalise on a complex subject, the County Record Office should again be your first place of enquiry. They usually have the orignals, or will know where they are, especially for Church of England registers. You are unlikely to be shown the original books, as they must be preserved from sticky fingers, but they, and other local reference libraries, will have microfilm copies of them. Again, there are sometimes transcripts available, but do be careful, as not all are complete or reliable. As a beginner I recommend you to become a member of the Family History Society (FHS) which covers your district. Locally there is the Northumberland and Durham FHS which covers the whole of Northumberland, the whole of the modern "Tyne and Wear" and the northern 2/3 of the old Co Durham - roughly, everything north of a line from Hartleppool to Bishop Auckland and beyond, but not including those towns, which are dealt with by the Cleveland FHS which covers the southern part of Co Durham, the modern "Cleveland" and the northern part of the old North Riding of Yorkshire. Municipal cemetery records are usually in the County Record Office but they may still be held by the Council responsible, either in their own offices or in the Cemetery office itself. FreeBMD, while a good idea in itself, is still, and for the foreseeable future will remain, incomplete, and so it is no substitute for the GRO quarterly indexes of ALL births, marriages and deaths in the UK, which are often also now available in local reference libraries. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

I can only go on family memories. In our family, a lump of dough was pulled from the pan as it was risen but before second. kneading (knocking back) This was rolled out fairly thinly, and then balanced on both hands and forearms and literally thrown into the oven. ( Hence the stotty, I suppose) You had to remember to open the oven door first or you were in trouble!! It would be ready well before the rest of the bread loaves and we always had it for tea, with jam though. Here's my mothers recipe for lemon curd: grated rind and juice of 4 lemons 4 eggs beaten 4oz butter (better with unsalted these days) 1lb Sugar Place in a double boiler and stir till sugar has dissolved. Cook until the curd will coat the back of a spoon Pot as jam. Does not keep long. Keep in the fridge if you prefer. In our house it doesn't get chance to get cold, never mind go off. Chris Roderick S. Yorks --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/04

Thank you very much to Stan and Geoff for the interesting information about the Cemeteries Act. Jan Boyes > > This ushered in a boom in the construction of public cemeteries by > publicly-financed Burial Boards run by parish vestries (the ancestors of today's local > authorities). Scores of cemeteries were set up in the 1850s and 1860s. > History of the English Cemetery > http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > ______________________________

Geoff, Thank you for the assistance. The information I have is only that Ellen RILEY is listed as head of household in 1861 and am assuming Charles was gone. Is there a way to access that census? Info I have was gathered by a relative visiting UK several years ago. I did try the FreeBMD with no success so will try the GRO and then see if I can locate church registers and municipal cemeteries. I do not know Charles' occupation. Ellen immigrated with two of the children in 1868 and is shown on the passenger list as "wife" but on the 1870 Kentucky (U.S.) census has remarried a man named Patrick Curtis. The 1861 census shows Ellen and a daughter working in a Worsted Factory and that two of the children were born in Durham and the two younger ones born in Darlington. Ellen and Charles were both born in Ireland. Your help is appreciated as UK research is new to me. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <GNicresearch@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Death Record for Charles RILEY > In a message dated 15/01/2004 21:20:53 GMT Standard Time, > nancylong@comcast.net writes: > > > Need help in how to locate death record for Charles RILEY who appears with > > his family on the 1851 Durham, England census in Ebchester Parish, residence > > East Law (?). Wife Ellen RILEY is listed as head of household on 1861 > > census, St Johns Parish, living at 124 Park St., Darlington, with her > > children Julia, Catherine, Marie, George. > > Also in household are Catherine > MULLEN, grandmother and Margaret HAMILTON, > > lodger. I feel Charles may have died between 1851 and 1861 as he does not > > appear in later immigration records with the rest of the family. Appreciate > > suggestions > > What was Ellen's marital status in 1861? If it was "widow", then > presumably her husband had died by then. What you need to do is (a) seek the > reference to the death certificate via FreeBMD (you never know your luck!) and if > you cannot find any likely one (ages are not given in the indexes during the > 1850s) you will need to get sight of the GRO Quarterly indexes of all deaths in > England and/or Wales for the whole period between the censuses (41 indexes) > and find him in one of them. >

A recipe is available on-line at: http://www.mailgate.org.uk/uk/uk.local.geordie/msg19804.html Enjoy! (Please can you send me a piece?) Ian -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hopkins [mailto:janetchopkins@hotmail.com] Sent: 16 January 2004 15:31 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Stotty Cake-nongenealogical. Dear Listers, On the theme of our British heritage, does anyone know if a stotty cake can be bought in Canada? It is a round loaf of bread about the size of a frizbee, and best had with fresh lemon curd. My elderly grandmother has emigrated to the Brampton Ontario Canada area and is missing them. A recipe would be wonderful if anyone has one. Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn .com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History by ROY STOCKDILL http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

Hi Janet In my opinion Greggs the Bakers produce the best Stotties but don't reckon they have a branch in Canada. :-))) Many years ago I used to bake my own bread and also did a couple of what my mother always called Flat Cakes. Same shape as stotties and equally as tasty. Still have my old bread recipe and will gladly send it in an email to you direct if you would like it. One more thing, disagree with the Lemon Curd bit, best thing with Stottie is home cooked Ham & Pease Pudding. My preference of course. Contact me off list if you want the recipe. Regards Sue Sunderland -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hopkins [mailto:janetchopkins@hotmail.com] Sent: 16 January 2004 15:32 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Stotty Cake-nongenealogical. Dear Listers, On the theme of our British heritage, does anyone know if a stotty cake can be bought in Canada? It is a round loaf of bread about the size of a frizbee, and best had with fresh lemon curd. My elderly grandmother has emigrated to the Brampton Ontario Canada area and is missing them. A recipe would be wonderful if anyone has one. Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn .com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History by ROY STOCKDILL http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

Yes, that's right, but with something to eat aswell. Best wishes, Helen > > The Old Year would be let out through the back door and the New Year let in > through the front door at the chimes of midnight. It was custom that the first > person at the New Year to pass over the threshold should be a dark haired male > bringing coal or whisky for luck in the New Year. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History > by ROY STOCKDILL > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > >