I have found one of mine enumerated in 1861 at the police station in Seaham Harbour with relationship as "prisoner". He was 20 years old and a bottle maker. Would there be any records relating to this incarceration? If so, where to look? Since it was only the police station, would this probably be "drunk and disorderly" or the like? Or is it possible he was here pending more serious proceedings? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Irene

>>Would there be any records relating to this incarceration? If so, where to look? Irene<< You might check with the Black Sheep Society, altho he may have had to break his bottles over several customers' heads and then disembowel them with the broken end to be eligible for that group. (Sorry, been reading far too much about my Reiving Reveleys in the A2A. ;-) Sarah

Does anyone know whether the Pelton Fell street known as "4th Brick Row" in the 1881 and 1891 Census was the same as "John Street" in 1901? The house numbers match up for two sets of my ancestors there. Cheers David DUR interests: CHRISTELOW; LEATHARD; JOB(P)LING in Medomsley before 1812

I am looking for any information on the folowing names in my family tree on my mothers side in the HEBBURN,JARROW and SOUTH SHIELDS area Walter FALCONER Born 25/06/1892 Died 07/04/1957 married Ellen SANDERSON Born 20/03/1893 Died 03/06/1970 they were married 09/08/1915 They had 3 Children Peggy, Walter,and Elizabeth (died in infancy) Walter was one of 9 children his parents were called John FALCONER and Mary CAMPBELL Married 04/12/1885 Ellen was one of 8 children her parents were called Robert sanderson and Elizabeth Thompson married 08/04/1882 They were from JARROW, HEBBURN and the SOUTH SHIELDS area. Any information would be very helpful. Alison Scott Legal Disclaimer: This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the sender by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The opinions expressed in this message are those of the sender and not those of Heworth Grange Comprehensive School or Heworth Grange City Learning Centre.

In message <000001c3df80$e51e9320$f800a8c0@hgclc.org>, red08 <red08@hgclc.org> writes >I am looking for information about Wilfrid Paul Simpson who lived in >Gateshead Elizabeth Street. He was married to a Mary Ellen Knox. They were >married around June 1895. > >Audrey > > Hello Audrey, Here is the marriage on FreeBMD <http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl> Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Marriages Jun 1895 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Knox Mary Ellen Gateshead 10a 1257 Simpson Wilfred Paul Gateshead 10a 1257 On the index to 1901 census, living in Gateshead <http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/> Wilfred SIMPSON 27 born Bp. Auckland DUR provision cartman Mary " 27 " Newcastle NBL Margaret " 5 " Gateshead DUR George " 2 " " " Wilfred " 1mth " " You can get more detail by obtaining an image of the census page. This seems the most likely entry for Mary E. KNOX in the 1881 census <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp> Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George KNOX Head M Male 31 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Railway Guard Margt.Ann KNOX Wife M Female 37 Newcastle, Northumberland, England John Wm. KNOX Son Male 8 Newcastle, Northumberland, England Mary Eleanor KNOX Daur Female 6 Newcastle, Northumberland, England David Philip KNOX Son Male 5 Newcastle, Northumberland, England George KNOX Son Male 3 Gateshead, Durham, England Sarah KNOX Daur Female 1 Gateshead, Durham, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling 61 Monk Street Census Place Gateshead, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342214 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5037 / 141 Page Number 62 This is the best match for Wilfred Dwelling: 5 Watsons Court Census Place: Newcastle On Tyne St John, Northumberland, England Source: FHL Film 1342221 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5060 Folio 125 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William SIMPSON M 46 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Ada M. SIMPSON M 39 F Paddington, Middlesex, England Rel: Wife Willard SIMPSON 6 M Bps Auckland, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sarah SIMPSON 4 F Bps Auckland, Durham, England Rel: Daur Louise SIMPSON 1 m F Newcastle On Tyne Rel: Daur If you obtain the marriage certificate of Wilfred and Mary, it should confirm their father's names. That should get you started! Regards, -- Helen Oram

Sorry about miss-spelling "Island" This is the info I read about "Islandshire" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:14:11 EST From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <a1.42d2ba39.2d353b13@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] 18th century Reveleys Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Islandshire is a region in England, centred around Lindisfarne or Holy Island, including many villages on the mainland. It was historically associated with the Bishop of Durham, and was an exclave of County Durham but was incorporated into Northumberland in 1844. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islandshire Regards Stan Mapstone To read the other messages about this topic ! go to the rootsweb mailing lists Archives ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Carole Robinson Member of NDFHS ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah To: GNicresearch@aol.com ; ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Cc: brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] North Land (other possibility) I'm still working on Ireland versus Islandshire. Brian, did you mean North Island instead of "Irland"? I noticed you also said "it's an irland." There is an 1854 family letter that states my 6th great grandfather was a resident of Ireland in the 17th century. Edgar has suggested that they may have been mispronouncing Islandshire, so the North Irland even makes more sense, if that is what you meant. Geoff, your comment that an abbreviation for Northumberland was Nland, suggests another possibility, that Nland was transcribed in the 1850 letter as Ireland. A handwritten "N" could be quite elaborate, and the gentleman who wrote the letter was a well-educated solicitor. I just wish I had his original!!! Sarah Reveley in warm and sunny Texas In a message dated 20/01/2004 14:40:50 GMT Standard Time, brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Just another possability to look at, if your sure your ancestors came from > the "Durham" or "Northumberland" area, could "North Land" be refering to > "Lindisfarn" it's an irland of the north coast of Northumberland, it was > often refered to as "North Irland" I have never heard Holy Island referred to as "North Irland", nor even as "North Island", though I suppose from someone making a living from Seahouses by fishing around the Farnes, it might be thought of as the northern island. Possibly you are confusing the fact that, as you seem to be pointing out, it was, until the 1840s, part of "North Durham", within which, and more precisely, it was part of "Islandshire". The whole of "North Durham", and also of Bedlingtonshire, were detached parts of Co Durham until the 1840s. "Nland" or even "Northland" are abreviations for Northumberland often found in the 19th century censuses. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham. ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History by ROY STOCKDILL http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

I am looking for information about Wilfrid Paul Simpson who lived in Gateshead Elizabeth Street. He was married to a Mary Ellen Knox. They were married around June 1895. Audrey Legal Disclaimer: This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the sender by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The opinions expressed in this message are those of the sender and not those of Heworth Grange Comprehensive School or Heworth Grange City Learning Centre.

Hi Janet, Just read your message, Just another possability to look at, if your sure your ancestors came from the "Durham" or "Northumberland" area, could "North Land" be refering to "Lindisfarn" it's an irland of the north coast of Northumberland, it was often refered to as "North Irland" The registration history was discused on one of the "rootsweb sites" in the last week. The Island and other places near-by which as far as I can understand, used to come under "Durham" in the 1800, because of its links with the "Cathederal" and "St Cuthbert" but is now Northumberland, It could easely be confused with "Newcastle" I never dismiss anything in genealogy when reading and trying to understand documents writen in the past, ( you have to be a detective!) Somone with more understanding of this than I, might be able to clarifie this ! As a matter of interest, do you know the occupation of the father, or other people on the census info ? Carole member of NDFHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "len wood" <lwood0459@rogers.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] found page- "North Land Newcastle Lynn" > Janet > > I checked the Newcastle Regs site hoping to find Jessies parents marriage > but the only Marchbank marriage 1889 to 1896 was a Jessie Marchbank in 1894 > possibly sister to your Jessies father . > > Len > > > Hello, listers, > > I found my 1901 census page, in Gateshead, that says that my great > > grandmother was: > > > > Jessie Marchbank, daughter, 6, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn > > her sister is listed also as: > > Esther Marchbank, daughter, 3, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > query board for Durham gen web > http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/cgi-bin/data/durham.cgi > >

Hi Someone was asking about the Youll family Thornley lost your address I have something for you e-mail me Bob

In a message dated 20/01/2004 14:40:50 GMT Standard Time, brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Just another possability to look at, if your sure your ancestors came from > the "Durham" or "Northumberland" area, could "North Land" be refering to > "Lindisfarn" it's an irland of the north coast of Northumberland, it was > often refered to as "North Irland" I have never heard Holy Island referred to as "North Irland", nor even as "North Island", though I suppose from someone making a living from Seahouses by fishing around the Farnes, it might be thought of as the northern island. Possibly you are confusing the fact that, as you seem to be pointing out, it was, until the 1840s, part of "North Durham", within which, and more precisely, it was part of "Islandshire". The whole of "North Durham", and also of Bedlingtonshire, were detached parts of Co Durham until the 1840s. "Nland" or even "Northland" are abreviations for Northumberland often found in the 19th century censuses. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

I'm still working on Ireland versus Islandshire. Brian, did you mean North Island instead of "Irland"? I noticed you also said "it's an irland." There is an 1854 family letter that states my 6th great grandfather was a resident of Ireland in the 17th century. Edgar has suggested that they may have been mispronouncing Islandshire, so the North Irland even makes more sense, if that is what you meant. Geoff, your comment that an abbreviation for Northumberland was Nland, suggests another possibility, that Nland was transcribed in the 1850 letter as Ireland. A handwritten "N" could be quite elaborate, and the gentleman who wrote the letter was a well-educated solicitor. I just wish I had his original!!! Sarah Reveley in warm and sunny Texas In a message dated 20/01/2004 14:40:50 GMT Standard Time, brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Just another possability to look at, if your sure your ancestors came from > the "Durham" or "Northumberland" area, could "North Land" be refering to > "Lindisfarn" it's an irland of the north coast of Northumberland, it was > often refered to as "North Irland" I have never heard Holy Island referred to as "North Irland", nor even as "North Island", though I suppose from someone making a living from Seahouses by fishing around the Farnes, it might be thought of as the northern island. Possibly you are confusing the fact that, as you seem to be pointing out, it was, until the 1840s, part of "North Durham", within which, and more precisely, it was part of "Islandshire". The whole of "North Durham", and also of Bedlingtonshire, were detached parts of Co Durham until the 1840s. "Nland" or even "Northland" are abreviations for Northumberland often found in the 19th century censuses. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham. ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History by ROY STOCKDILL http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

It also could be a badly miss-spelt Newcastle-upon-Tyne with Lyme == Tyne Ian Fisk http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fiski -----Original Message----- From: GNicresearch@aol.com [mailto:GNicresearch@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 19 January 2004 10:44 p.m. To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Newcastle on Tyne, Lynn? In a message dated 19/01/2004 04:33:10 GMT Standard Time, iclausen@paradise.net.nz writes: > <I called > Lynn? I had a 1901 census page that said that a g-g grandma was born in > Newcastle Lynn in c1892> > > Could your 1901 census entry read Newcastle Lyme? Newcastle under Lyme is > near Stoke on Trent. > I agree entirely with this. There is no "Lynn" in Newcastle upon Tyne and I myself have read "Lyme" as "Lynn" on several occasions before realising my error. I understand the full name of the "other" Newcastle is "Newcastle under Lyme". Thinking of districts of Newcastle with second letter "y" I can only come up with Byker, and that would seem unlikely. Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham. ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting! If you do not like or agree with something on the list then your options are:(1)Simply 'delete' the relevant message(s)(2)'reply to that mail off list to the sender only'(3)unsubscribe' from the list!

Thanks to everyone for the info - much appreciated. Cheers Jan >The marriage certificate of my gg grandparents says they were married in >the Parish Church in the Parish of Chester St in the County of Durham:

Hi Janet, <I was wondering if anyone has ever heard of a district in Newcastle called Lynn? I had a 1901 census page that said that a g-g grandma was born in Newcastle Lynn in c1892> Could your 1901 census entry read Newcastle Lyme? Newcastle under Lyme is near Stoke on Trent. Regards, Ingrid, NZ

Janet FREE BMD has a William b Newcastle 1871 and marrying 1898 Newcastle.What was his wifes name? Len Her name was Jessie Marchbank, daughter of > William Marchbank, but I cannot find a civil birth record, so would like

Janet I checked the Newcastle Regs site hoping to find Jessies parents marriage but the only Marchbank marriage 1889 to 1896 was a Jessie Marchbank in 1894 possibly sister to your Jessies father . Len > Hello, listers, > I found my 1901 census page, in Gateshead, that says that my great > grandmother was: > > Jessie Marchbank, daughter, 6, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn > her sister is listed also as: > Esther Marchbank, daughter, 3, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn >

Hello, listers, I found my 1901 census page, in Gateshead, that says that my great grandmother was: Jessie Marchbank, daughter, 6, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn her sister is listed also as: Esther Marchbank, daughter, 3, female, born in North Land Newcastle Lynn This was a census page I got online from the PRO site. It must have been transcribed from the original census documents by someone. Many listers have suggested that it might really be Newcastle Lyme, meaning Newcastle under Lyme, in Staffordshire. I thank everyone who replied, I really appreciate it! Janet in Canada _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Hello, Looking for connections to George ROBSON, son of George ROBSON, who married Jane Alice THOMPSON at St Andrew church, Bp. Auckland 1921. George junior born 1897 Stanhope, as George senior was a N.E.R. Wagon inspector there. George ROBSON senior married Margaret H. BODDY, daughter of Christopher BODDY. Margaret BODDY was born in Shildon 1868, and Christopher BODDY was born Middridge 1830. Sarah E BODDY, sister to Margaret, married John G. DIXON 1879,and had a son Arthur E.B.DIXON age 4mths in 1881 census, but I am not sure where John DIXON was! Thanks. -- Helen Oram

Hello Janet, if the entry was transcribed as " Newcastle Lynn " there are a few possibilities - (i) "Lynn" was a misreading of Tyne, and - (ii) "Lynn" was a misreading of Lyme from Newcastle under Lyme which is a completely different town, in Staffordshire in the Midlands. (ii) there is also a Newcastle Emlyn in Camarthenshire in Wales. Are you sure your g g grandmother was from the North East? Jennifer

Dear List: I just found my G Grandfather, William Wraith, on a ships log. The SS City of New York, July 27, 1863, Pg. #1. There are a couple of other names I need to connect. List reads as follows: (Were they related?) Line 23: Thomas Wraith age 39 or 59 can't make it out. Farmer. Don't know who he was. -------------------------------------------------- Line 24: John Wallace age 27 farmer Line 25: Anne " age 24 wife Line 26: Anne " age 6 child Line 27 Sarah " age 5 child Line 28 Eliza " age Infant child There's a mention of the Wallace's on an old Christmas list of my Mother's and also a mention of a Wallace on some notes, of my Aunts. ------------------------------------------------------ Line 29: William Wraith age 21 miner Line 30: Eliza age 24 wife Line 31 Robert Infant William was my G Grandfather. Eliza was my G Grandfathers first wife. (Eliza "Bessie" Whitfield) I think he was from Penshaw, Co. Durham. Is there a mention of them on the 1851 Census? Is there a marriage listed for John and Anne Wallace? Any information would be greatly appreciate. Thank you: Mary Jane Freund USA