In a message dated 06/02/2004 14:59:34 GMT Standard Time, helen.aust@btinternet.com writes: > I ordered the certificate from the GRO - I wonder > if it would be worth ordering from the superintendent registrar for the > appropriate district?  Does anyone know if it is likely to be any > different? > Hi Helen, In April, July, October and January, each registrar was to make a true copy of all entries in his registers, since the previous copy was made, and was to pass that copy to his superintendent registrar. The Superintendent Registrar was then required to send the certified COPIES of the entries to the Registrar General, these copies are known as 'the quarterly returns'. It is quite possible that in sending the returns the registrar just sent the amended details, unless the amendment occurred after a quarter's returns had been sent in, in which case he would probably send in the correction. The only way to be certain would be to get a photocopy of the original entry from the appropriate Register office. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 06/02/2004 12:57:10 GMT Standard Time, helen .aust@btinternet.com writes: > I've today received a birth certificate for an ancestor of mine who was > born in 1855.  I believe the family were living in Waggon Row or > Waggonman's Row in Usworth in 1851 &1861.  His sister's birth certificate > clearly says Waggonrow Usworth.  His birth certificate is not very clear, > but it looks like Washingtonrow, Washington.  It definitely isn't Waggon > Row, and it certainly says Washington rather than Usworth.  Could we be > talking about the same place?  Or is there a Washington Row that the > family could have moved to (and then moved back again)? >        Waggonman's Row seems to have been on a site in Blue House Lane now occupied by a row of "Aged Miners' Homes".  One small piece of old stone wall on a short stretch of the property boundary seems to be all that may remain of the old buildings.  At that point Blue House Lane formed the boundary between the Towenships and, after 1835, the parishes, of Washington and Usworth.        There were "Old Rows" in the Village Lane district of Washington but, more to the point here, some "New Rows" were built in the latter half of the 19th century a little further east on Blue House Lane, east of the junction with what became Heworth Road immediately to the west of that junction there used to be the New Rows Methodist Church, now demolished.  These "New Rows" became the centre of what was known as "New Washington" and although they were all on the Usworth side of the road, a row of shops etc developed on the south (Washington) side of what became called "Victoria Road".  Opposite the east end of the New Rows was the junction with Spout Lane, which led to Washington Village, and on the SE corner of that junction a pub was built to serve the "New Washington" community.  Naturally it was called the "New Inn".  It still remains, under its modern twee name of "The New Tavern".  The New Rows were demolished in the ?1950s and their site used for (a) road widening, (b) another row of shops ("Arndale House") and (c) a bus station and Health Centre.  The name of "New Washington" for such an old part of town was considered too out of date when Washington was declared a "New Town" in the 1960s (yet nearby Newcastle is now over 900 years old!), and so the district around there, on both sides of Victoria Road, had the name of "Concord" foisted on it by planners with no sensitivity for local culture or for national or local pride or history.        Yor family could easily have moved from Waggonman's Row to Washington New Rows and then moved back again.  We are talking here of only a couple of hundred yards or so and coal miners in particular moved around an awful lot, even after the abolition of the Bond (?1869) removed their incentive to do so - it had become a habit which was not completely given up for a further generation.              & nbsp;      Best wishes,              & nbsp;             Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

In a message dated 06/02/2004 12:57:10 GMT Standard Time, helen.aust@btinternet.com writes: > Is there any reason anyone knows of why a birth would be > registered by two registrars? The only reason I know is that there has been a correction to the original entry, in which case there should be an annotation. This annotation is part of the system of doing corrections in registers. All corrections of a minor nature occurring at the time of the entry have to be numbered, obviously to prevent someone coming along later and altering an entry. For errors discovered within a month of the entry being made then the registrar in the presence of the relevant parties, or in their absence in the presence of the Superintendent Registrar and two other credible witnesses, corrected the erroneous entry by entry in the margin, without making any alteration of the original entry, and signed the marginal entry, adding date when the correction was made. Regards Stan Mapstone

I was just researching the same church. Here is the web site I found for it: http://www.ourladyswashington.btinternet.co.uk/ I hope this helps. Kerri ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Oxclose > In a message dated 05/02/2004 07:58:54 GMT Standard Time, > relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: > > > Can anyone tell me the nearest RC Church to Oxclose Washington Tyne &Wear > > around 1880/1900 &is it still standing > > > > In 1902 there was a Catholic Chapel, dedicated to Our Blessed Lady > Immaculate. TWAS have records up to 1920. > The present Church is > Our Blessed Lady Immaculate Catholic Church > Village Lane > Washington > Tyne & Wear > NE38 7HS > I don't know if this is the same church. > > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Durham GenWeb Host > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ > >

I have a Hannah Charlton who was buried 13 Dec 1911 aged 65 widow Burials from Princess Road Cemetery Seaham. Would anyone have access to this burial record . It is not certain but she could be my Great Grandmother who was married to William Hall English of North Shields. Sometime between the birth of her last daughter in 1883 & 1891 (she was not on the1891 census with her family) it is now believed she left WHE Her children were told by WHE that she had died but it has been said that she left WHE with another chap & went to South Shields to live. Charlton was her maiden name so she may have reverted back to this from her married name of English. Does anyone have any further info on this Hannah Charlton. I should also add that her age given at death corresponds with the birth year of my Great grandmother Hannah English nee Charlton Thanks, Ken

In a message dated 05/02/2004 12:52:14 GMT Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: > Geoff > Thanks, Which would be the best way to get there from Galleries > Bob > Bob: I suppose it depends on whether you are walking or travelling by car! Washington is fairly well signed - as long as you know to ignore the silly and out-of-date signs with just numbers on them! Just follow the signs to "Washington Village" or the brown ones to the Old Hall. They will bring you into Washington Village down Village Lane and past the RC Church. In more detail leave, say, the Galleries bus station on the road to Glebe and to Washington Village, passing Durham House (Washington's nearest approach to a tower block) on your left. The road swings right and after a roundabout (where you go straight on) you have B&Q on your left. Straight after that there is another roundabout, where you should take the second exit, amounting to a slight right-hand turn. After some 300 or 400 yards take a road on your left, which is a short one leading onto Village Lane and joining it more or less opposite the RC Church. Total distance - between half a mile and a mile (my guess). You could run it in less than five minutes! If this question implies that you are unfamiliar with Washington but intend to pay it a visit shortly, why not give me a ring - my number is in my signature - as long as you avoid Wednesdays and Thursdays there is a sporting chance you'll find me in (or contact me off-List for details)! Best wishes, Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU (0191 417 9546) Professional Genealogist - Northumberland and Co Durham.

Norman, From the 1891 Census I have a Mary Coulthard living in Southwick. RG12/4146 Folio 15 page 24, 29 Collin Place (Eating? House). Joseph Couthard, head marr, 50 general dealer, born Seaham Harbour Mary ", wife, marr, 50, born Ayres Quay George Thomas, visitor, single, 33 boilersmith born Kent, Sheerness Annie Carson, servant,single, 17, domestic servant, born Sunderland Don't know if it's a match. Annie Carson was my g-grandmother Cheers John Crickmore Canberra, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman dunn" > Hi I am new to the list, researching SHAW,John William and William John (father) Darlington 1800 to 1900 > COULTHARD Mary H Sunderland 1876 and William COULTHARD father

In a message dated 05/02/2004 07:58:54 GMT Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: > Can anyone tell me the nearest RC Church to Oxclose Washington Tyne &Wear > around 1880/1900 &is it still standing > In 1902 there was a Catholic Chapel, dedicated to Our Blessed Lady Immaculate. TWAS have records up to 1920. The present Church is Our Blessed Lady Immaculate Catholic Church Village Lane Washington Tyne & Wear NE38 7HS I don't know if this is the same church. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Listers I am taking a break from the list (may be back later), so would like to thank those who I've been in contact with, for their help with my research. Everyone on the list has been most helpful, and especially Geoff Nicholson & Stan Mapstone for their unending advice & suggestions. Thank you all! Judy Dickinson Sydney, Australia Researching mainly HODGSON, CHAPMAN & SMEDLEY in the DUR/YRK areas, 1800s.

Can the census indexes on computer at Bolbec Hall be searched without reference to area? Often I have no idea where my Co. Durham mining ancestors were as they moved annually. Buying the books or fiches for the whole county is too expensive. Are there any plans to make these indices available on Family History On-Line? Irene Member NDFHS Transcriber for FreeCen (Co. Durham 1861)

Can anyone tell me the nearest RC Church to Oxclose Washington Tyne & Wear around 1880/1900 & is it still standing Bob

> > > > I write to thank all those from this and other lists who have > contacted > > me > > > > regarding the e-mails purporting to emanate from Microsoft. > > > > You all confirm my own thoughts and I am glad that I followed my > > instincts > > > > and deleted them on receipt. > > > > I have been inundated, in the nicest possible way, with most helpful > > > replies > > > > and I thank you all. > > > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Looking for any details on John Redhead living at 33 Sea View, Westoe Durham at time of 1881 census. Born 1819 Earsdon Northumberland and married to Susannah Burnicle from Whitby. John was an Alderman , JP and Iron shipbuilder. Would welcome any further details- 1861 and 1871 census details if possible Thanks Dot

I also received these very genuine-looking e-mails when I was receiving up to 100+ SPAM e-mails a day ( I was with Claranet but have now changed my ISP). Microsoft say that they NEVER send unsolicited e-mail attacments. I contacted them and was told that it was a virus and to delete it. dougandbunny@freenet.co.uk

Hi I am new to the list, researching SHAW,John William and William John (father) Darlington 1800 to 1900 COULTHARD Mary H Sunderland 1876 and William COULTHARD father

I have been recieving lots of these e-mails, I suppose everyone ells is also ! My Yahoo harvests them into spam I have been deleating more than a dozen a day! What can i do about it other than using anti- virus soft ware. I have had messages coming through purple! what is this all about ! Carole Robinson Member of NDFHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Leishman" <se@kentmere.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [ENG-DUR] Fw: Microsoft > Yes Dave, > There are a few strange ones about I have had the same one you have had! > there is also ones that look like your mail has been returned, they have a > virus attached to them! Also I received some very disturbing ones last week > regarding child porn, I was disgusted . I used the marking facility to mark > all that came in purple, I received about ten a day! . > However, they eventually stopped but this week a lot of people off the list > have come through marked purple! So I think whoever it is, is using other > peoples address books! > It is certainly worse than ever at the moment. I also received a message > saying that my PayPal account that I use needed updating, I ignored it , A > week later there was a notice sent out saying that PayPal would NEVER do it > that way they would re-route you to a secure site using known passwords. > I am waiting for the new one to start to hit us all too, so far all mine > have been picked up with the virus checker. > Sue > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davspark [mailto:davspark@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:45 PM > To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-DUR] Fw: Microsoft > > > > > Subject: Microsoft > > > > > > > > > > For the past week or so I have been receiving messages purporting to > > come > > > > from Microsoft and askime to download a "Cumulative Security Patch" > > > > These messages have come about a couple of times each day and have > every > > > > indication of being genuine Microsoft communications. Being somewhat > > > > mistrustful I have refrained from taking any action in respect of > these. > > > > Has anyone else received them and should I download or use the > 'Delete' > > > key > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/04 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/04 > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk >

I suggest that you do delete them. I get these at the office and they are bounced by the firewall protecting the company's computer. They look very official sometimes even with a microsoft banner but they don't get through the firewall. Or call Microsoft and ask them if they are distributing these notices. Kerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "davspark" <davspark@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Fw: Microsoft > > > > > Subject: Microsoft > > > > > > > > > > For the past week or so I have been receiving messages purporting to > > come > > > > from Microsoft and askime to download a "Cumulative Security Patch" > > > > These messages have come about a couple of times each day and have > every > > > > indication of being genuine Microsoft communications. Being somewhat > > > > mistrustful I have refrained from taking any action in respect of > these. > > > > Has anyone else received them and should I download or use the > 'Delete' > > > key > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > >

Yes Dave, There are a few strange ones about I have had the same one you have had! there is also ones that look like your mail has been returned, they have a virus attached to them! Also I received some very disturbing ones last week regarding child porn, I was disgusted . I used the marking facility to mark all that came in purple, I received about ten a day! . However, they eventually stopped but this week a lot of people off the list have come through marked purple! So I think whoever it is, is using other peoples address books! It is certainly worse than ever at the moment. I also received a message saying that my PayPal account that I use needed updating, I ignored it , A week later there was a notice sent out saying that PayPal would NEVER do it that way they would re-route you to a secure site using known passwords. I am waiting for the new one to start to hit us all too, so far all mine have been picked up with the virus checker. Sue -----Original Message----- From: davspark [mailto:davspark@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 5:45 PM To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Fw: Microsoft > > Subject: Microsoft > > > > > > > For the past week or so I have been receiving messages purporting to > come > > > from Microsoft and askime to download a "Cumulative Security Patch" > > > These messages have come about a couple of times each day and have every > > > indication of being genuine Microsoft communications. Being somewhat > > > mistrustful I have refrained from taking any action in respect of these. > > > Has anyone else received them and should I download or use the 'Delete' > > key > > > ? > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH by Dr Ashton Emery http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.577 / Virus Database: 366 - Release Date: 2/3/04

> > Subject: Microsoft > > > > > > > For the past week or so I have been receiving messages purporting to > come > > > from Microsoft and askime to download a "Cumulative Security Patch" > > > These messages have come about a couple of times each day and have every > > > indication of being genuine Microsoft communications. Being somewhat > > > mistrustful I have refrained from taking any action in respect of these. > > > Has anyone else received them and should I download or use the 'Delete' > > key > > > ? > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > >

About the Microsoft problem, Do not click on any link on that e-mail as it is bogus and can cause a very bad virus. I found this out from Microsoft as when I find something like it I question Microsoft and they told me that they do not sent e-mail updates. Jack -----Original Message----- From: davspark [mailto:davspark@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:45 AM To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Fw: Microsoft > > Subject: Microsoft > > > > > > > For the past week or so I have been receiving messages purporting to > come > > > from Microsoft and askime to download a "Cumulative Security Patch" > > > These messages have come about a couple of times each day and have every > > > indication of being genuine Microsoft communications. Being somewhat > > > mistrustful I have refrained from taking any action in respect of these. > > > Has anyone else received them and should I download or use the 'Delete' > > key > > > ? > > > > > > Dave S > > > > > > > ______________________________