Hi I'm new to the list. I am currently researching my family who were from North Hylton in the 1840s and who were in Washington before that. My gt-gt-grandmother was Sarah Ann Wood who married Thomas Stewart in 1849 at St Peter's. Her father was Thomas Wood, born in 1791 and her grandparents were Stephen Wood and Barbara nee Heron/Herron. Both Thomas's were involved in iron and/or shipbuilding. I'm not from Durham myself, so if anyone can shed light on why the family may have moved from Washington to Hylton, I'd be grateful, as I haven't been able to find out much about the type of jobs in the Washington area circa 1790s. Many thanks Sue

Hi Everyone, I've got one photocopy of a page from the 1871 Census for Shotton. Thought I'd list the head of households, then if anyone recognises any of the names, get back to me for full details. Living at 5th High Row were ;- Robert HUBBARD , aged 37 and family - (my connected family) George HALL, aged 26, and family Elisha PARKER, aged 48, and wife, Margaret, aged 55. Living at 6th High Row;- Mary USHER, aged 63, (Widowed) and son, Samuel, aged 25 Jonathon ROWE, aged 42 George MILBURN, aged 21, and family Robert ERRINGTON, aged 41 and family James LAIDLER, aged 38 Jan Boyes

Thanks to all who replied to my question very helpful they where Bob

I have just received my Grandfather death certificate cause of death are 1) Myocardial Degeneration 2) Arteriosclerosis 3) Ulcerative Colitis Can anyone tell me what they are? Thank you Bob

In a message dated 19/02/2004 16:02:00 GMT Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: > 1) Myocardial Degeneration > 2) Arteriosclerosis > 3) Ulcerative Colitis > Myocardial Degeneration means degeneration of heart muscle, but is often used as a euphemism for old age. Arteriosclerosis or Atherosclerosis Commonly called hardening of the arteries Almost everyone gets this condition eventually. The arteries fur up with plaques of cholesterol, over which a blood clot can grow, which narrows the artery and eventually fail to adequately supply blood. It leads to angina, heart attacks, strokes and gangrene of the limbs. It is more common in smokers, diabetics and those with high blood pressure. Ulcerative colitis is a chronic, recurring disease of the large bowel. Regards Stan Mapstone

Bob, I layman's terms Myocardial refers to the heart. So it sounds like some sort of heart problem, arteriosclerosis translates to "hardening of the arteries" And ulcerative colitis is a condition of the bowel where there are ulcers formed in the lining of the bowel. This is just simple explanations.

Hi List, This is my first posting to this list, here's a list of my main interests in this area This is my husband's family Dad's side ROSETHORN/E Anywhere, any time but mainly: Oakenshaw/Willington Co Durham, & before 1860 Kendal Westmoreland, Penrith Cumberland also found lurking in Carlisle OVINGTON/ OVENTON Willington, Low Downs Co Durham STONES Willington, Black Fell Co Durham TAYLOR W'ton Co Durham from Yaxley Suffolk WILKIN W'ton Co Durham from Walsingham Norfolk Haven't got much on Mum's side what I've found is centred mostly in the Lanchester area. WALL/S Chester Le Street, Edmondsley, Cornsay/Quebec Co Durham JOHNSON Cornsay PICKERING Hetton le Hole, Houghall Croxdale Ferry Hill, Co Durham MOOR/E Durham Willenhall Staffs. ROWELL Catchgate, Kyo, Burmhope, Holmside YOUNG Durham URWINS this is a new name, Jane URWINS married to Matthew ROWELL & their son was Matthew too. Would love to hear from anyone with similar interests, any feedback would be welcome! Barbara Rosethorne In a hot & humid Australia

Thanks Helen, The info you sent me was wonderfull ! I kind of got a mental block on this one. I found the Thompson Hall born Thornton Stewart, but there where other's born elseware. I couldn't find census info for Thomas in 1871 in Bishop Auckland to match this ! Thompson Hall in 1881 I didn't look for ! (I didn't think about a son) Yes i think they are mine ! I did a search for the witnesses, they were "NICKOLAS" and "ELIZABETH LYNN" (formally "Jameson") in 1881 they are living at Coxlie Square, Coxhoe, Durham. There is a grandchild "NICKOLAS" aged 4 yrear ( I think it is possably their's) livind with "HENRY JAMESON" and family, at Hamsterley, Durham. (probably Elizabeth's parents) Thanks again Carole Robinson Member of NDFHS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk> To: "Brian Robinson" <brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] "Slater's Directory" Help! > In message <02b401c3eff2$3113a140$c869893e@robinson1>, Brian Robinson > <brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk> writes > >Thankyou Helen, > >Another dissapointment! > >I was looking for my 2 Great-grandfather "THOMAS HALL" he married my 2 > >Great -grandmother "DRUSILLA HIELD" in "The Primitive Methodist church" > >Bishop Auckland, in 1873, he was a coal miner, he was a widower aged 40, > >"DRUSILLA" was a spinster aged 23. > Hello Carole, > What were the witnesses called? Perhaps that will help if there were > any HALLS. > >He gave his father as "THOMPSON HALL" blacksmith, (deceased) > >I have looked on the 1871 census at the Co Archives in Durham but was unable > >to find him (I would like to find his first wife! and also where he was > >born!) > >I found DRUSILLA (transcribed as PRISILLA) living with her mother and > >step-father in "Bishop Auckland" at the address from which she was married! > > > >I have info from a family bible > > > >(Drusilla Hield was younitted in maridge to Thomas Hall of Metal Bridge on > >Febuary the 22nd 1873 > >Thomas Hall died December 11th 1877 ) > > > >Please can anyone surgest anything else! > > > >Carole Robinson > There was this family in 1881 caught my eye, living in the same place > that your Thomas was from: > > Dwelling: Metal Bridge Village > Census Place: Ferryhill, Durham, England > Source: FHL Film 1342179 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4903 Folio > 82 Page 45 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Thompson HALL M 39 M Thornton Steward, York, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Coal Miner > Ann HALL M 35 F Pennyfine, Northumberland, > England > Rel: Wife > Thompson HALL 16 M Bp Auckland, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Pupil Teacher > George HALL 10 M Bp Auckland, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Peter HALL 2 M Metal Bridge, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Mary HALL 1 F Metal Bridge, Durham, England > Rel: Daur > > > This Thompson HALL would appear to be the son of another Thompson HALL, > as here they are in 1851 from a census index to Thornton Steward > HO107/2379 > > HALL family folio 293-294 > Thompson 49 YKS born Thornton Steward 293 > Dorothy 22 " " " 294 > Peter 13 " " " " > William 13 " " " > Thompson 9 " " " " > > The IGI has the following children bapt to Thompson HALL senior & > Dorothy, and there is a Thomas of about the right age, > > DOROTHY HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 20 APR 1818 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > JOHN HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 24 APR 1830 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > THOMAS HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 15 JUL 1832 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > 1. MARY HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 16 DEC 1834 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > 3. WILLIAM HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 14 AUG 1837 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > > 5. PETER HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 14 AUG 1837 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > 6. THOMPSON HALL - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUN 1841 Thornton Steward, Yorkshire, > England > > > You may just have to work round the Bp. Auckland/FerryHill area on the > 1861 & 1871 census, looking for all the Thomas HALLs & then eliminating > them. > > One thing I thought of was - if Thomas had any children with his first > wife - what happened to them when he died, and his second wife > remarried? > > There is this family in 1881 - I wondered if Dorothy, niece, may be the > child of your Thomas HALL? > > Dwelling: 14 Surtees St > Census Place: Bishop Auckland, Durham, England > Source: FHL Film 1342182 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4914 Folio > 87 Page 16 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Mary HALL U 45 F Thornton Steward, York, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Monthly Nurse (Sub Ser) > William BRAITHWAITE U 28 M Thornton Steward, York, > England > Rel: Nephew > Occ: Pattern Maker > Thomas BRAITHWAITE M 26 M Thornton Steward, York, > England > Rel: Nephew > Occ: Blacksmith > Margaret BRAITHWAITE M 24 F Coundon, Durham, England > Rel: Neice > Occ: Blacksmith Wife > William BRAITHWAITE 6 M St Andrews Auckland, > Durham, England > Rel: Grandson > Occ: Scholar > Dorothy Jane BRAITHWAITE 4 F St Andrews > Auckland, Durham, England > Rel: Grandaur > Occ: Scholar > Mary BRAITHWAITE 1 m F Bp Auckland, Durham, > England > Rel: Grandaur > Dorothy HALL 14 F Bp Auckland, Durham, England > Rel: Neice > Occ: Scholar > > > And this could be William & family - blacksmith like his father perhaps? > > Dwelling: 33 Stanley Colly > Census Place: Crook & Billy Row, Durham, England > Source: FHL Film 1342185 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4928 Folio > 103 Page 12 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > William HALL M 43 M Thornton Steward, York, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Blacksmith > Grace HALL M 37 F Hatfield, Essex, England > Rel: Wife > Thomas T. HALL U 16 M Crook, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Coal Miner > Robert HALL 12 M Stanley, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > John W. HALL 8 M Stanley, Durham, England > Rel: Son > Occ: Scholar > Mary J. HALL 4 F Stanley, Durham, England > Rel: Daur > Dorothy HALL 1 F Stanley, Durham, England > Rel: Daur > > > So they all seem to have moved to the Bishop/Crook/Ferryhill area. > > It may be worth getting Dorothy HALL born about 1866 birth certificate > to see if her father was Thomas. Then that would give a wife's name. > I would also look at the Thornton Steward census I sent to see what > Thompson HALLs occupation was. > > Hope this helps. > > > -- > Helen Oram

Hello Linda, Dragon Vill is shown to the east of Durham City on sheet 9 off the reprint of the first edition one-inch Ordnance Survey map of england and Wales published by David & Charles. If you look at a modern map of Durham City you will see an area call Dragonville indusrial estate which may well be on the site of Dragon Vill. Regards Raymond C Reed

In message <113.2ee2167d.2d639b88@aol.com>, Hdtmom@aol.com writes >Hello, > I recently obtained the marriage license of my g g grandparents. They >were William Gray, son of John Gray, pitman, residence Dragon-Villa, Durham >married on January 27, 1851 at St. Giles to Sarah Maddison, minor, daughter of >Lionel Maddison, pitman, residence Dragon Villa. Does anyone know >about Dragon >Villa? I do not find it on any old maps. Also the census for 1851 that >includes Dragon Villa would any of you have access to that and could >help me find >either of these families. > >Thank you for any help! > >Linda Hello Linda, It is now known as Dragonville, currently located near the A1 road as it cuts through the eastern outskirts of Durham. If you go to <http://www.old-maps.co.uk/> and do an address search for Dragonville, you will find a nice 1861 map, with Dragon Villa clearly marked between New Durham, Gilesgate Moor and Sherburn Grange. Regards, -- Helen Oram

LOOK ON THE IGI INDEX FOR DURHAM CO AND YOU WILL FIND YOUR CHURCH JOHN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Richardson Longmoor" <clairerichardsonlongmoor@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Scotch Church > Dear list > > has anyone heard of Scotchchurch - Nc in South Shields? Our ancestor Phillis > THOROWELL was baptised there in 1797 but I can not find out any information > on Scotchchurch. I was wondering if anyone knows whether: > Scotchchurch is another term for Presbyterian? > Nc stands for non-conformist? > Do you have to be of Scottish descent to be baptised in a Scotch Church? > > Phillis did marry a Scottish man Allen LONGMOOR but at St Hilda's which is > an Anglican Church. Her parents were married at Jarrow. > > Hoping that someone can help solve this mystery > > Claire Longmoor > Nottingham, UK > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection > http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > query board for Durham gen web > http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/cgi-bin/data/durham.cgi >

Dear list has anyone heard of Scotchchurch - Nc in South Shields? Our ancestor Phillis THOROWELL was baptised there in 1797 but I can not find out any information on Scotchchurch. I was wondering if anyone knows whether: Scotchchurch is another term for Presbyterian? Nc stands for non-conformist? Do you have to be of Scottish descent to be baptised in a Scotch Church? Phillis did marry a Scottish man Allen LONGMOOR but at St Hilda's which is an Anglican Church. Her parents were married at Jarrow. Hoping that someone can help solve this mystery Claire Longmoor Nottingham, UK _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

In a message dated 17/02/2004 17:43:59 GMT Standard Time, william.thompson1@att.net writes: > To add to Stan's informed reply: (snip) > Also, in hindsight I would have read up more on congregationalism - there > were some odd transitions and affiliations , which I determined later was > fairly typical for congregationalists. In combination with different > internal church changes, meeting house notices, church building, > mind-boggling probate among close relatives/church members/trustees - it can > get confusing. If congregationalism is a possiblity in your case, reading > ahead can save some time. > The congregations of many Presbyterian churches had definite leanings towards the Independants, (eg Malings Rigg in Sunderland), sometimes choosing an Independent Minister and sometimes accepting a Presbyterian one, and that led those who ended up that way to become members of the Congregational Union when it was formed. As a result some churches were described as Presbyterian (Scotch/Associate/Congregations of Burghers etc) for a time and them as Independants. In other words the Presbyterians had as many divisions and schisms as did the Methodists. When the United Reform Church was formed in the 1960s, the churches which joined it included the English Presbyterian Church, the Church of Scotland in England (ie the "Scotch" churches) and the Congregationalists. There were few, if any, English Presbyterian churches in the north-east: all or most of our Presbyterian churches owed some allegiance to the Church of Scotland, hence the name "Scotch". Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne and Wear NE37 2BU Professional Researcher, NBL/DUR. Local research in depth by the local expert. NEW: - Record Searches: you specify the records, I search them!

In a message dated 17/02/2004 16:44:47 GMT Standard Time, helen@wtoram.co.uk writes: > > It is now known as Dragonville, currently located near the A1 road as > it cuts through the eastern outskirts of Durham. Helen: True, but it may be a little misleading to imply that it can be reached from the A1. The road in question is the A1(M) and where it passes Dragonville there is no junction. Travellers should leave the A1(M) at the Carrville junction and keep turning left to reach Dragonville. Until a few years ago there was a pub there named the George and Dragon but it closed and was turned into a guest house. The other pub seems to have had several reincarnations under various names but a few years ago, when I knew that particular district better, it was "The Coal Hole"! Dragonville today is just a tiny district, mainly of houses, and part of Gilesgate Moor, between the Renny's Lane industrial estate and the New Durham housing estate. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne and Wear NE37 2BU Professional Researcher, NBL/DUR. Local research in depth by the local expert. NEW: - Record Searches: you specify the records, I search them!

In a message dated 17/02/2004 16:30:51 GMT Standard Time, Hdtmom@aol.com writes: > Does anyone know about Dragon > Villa? Dragon Villa was in St. Giles, Durham City, there are about 34 dwellings in the 1881 Census. I think that it is now called Dragonville, in fact in the 1881 Census there are a four entries where it is spelt Dragon Ville. Regards Stan Mapstone

The TARN and HEWARD families appear to have lived on the same farm - Kirkhouse Fold, near Langdon Beck - for around 300 years! William TARN was born 10 Dec 1656 and baptized at St Mary's, Middleton-in-Teesdale, on 28 Dec 1656. His grandson Timothy TARN married Jane TALLENTIRE 16 Oct 1760. His g-g-granddaughter Jane TARN married John HEWARD 25 Sep 1839 and since she was an only child, the tenancy passed into the hands of the HEWARD family, who continued to farm at Kirkhouse Fold until after the war. Does anyone else on the list have an interest in these families? Happy to share any information. Melvyn (also researching SCOTT, PARKIN, WEARMOUTH and WATSON in Teesdale)

Hello, I recently obtained the marriage license of my g g grandparents. They were William Gray, son of John Gray, pitman, residence Dragon-Villa, Durham married on January 27, 1851 at St. Giles to Sarah Maddison, minor, daughter of Lionel Maddison, pitman, residence Dragon Villa. Does anyone know about Dragon Villa? I do not find it on any old maps. Also the census for 1851 that includes Dragon Villa would any of you have access to that and could help me find either of these families. Thank you for any help! Linda

In a message dated 17/02/2004 14:25:51 GMT Standard Time, clairerichardsonlongmoor@hotmail.com writes: > has anyone heard of Scotchchurch - Nc in South Shields? The Scotch Church, or Church of Scotland has been Presbyterian since 1560. TWAS have microfilm of the baptisms 1785-1821. Nonconformity is a term used to describe the position of those who do not confirm to the doctrine and practises of an established church. The word "nonconformist" was first used in the penal acts following the restoration, in 1660, to describe those who left the Church of England rather than submit to the 1662 Act of Uniformity. The earlier term Dissenters was superseded by "Nonconformist" and to a certain extent by "Free churchmen." In England non conforming Protestants were composed largely of the Methodists, the Baptists, the Congregationalists, and the Presbyterians, but in Scotland the Church of Scotland is Presbyterian, and the Episcopal Church in Scotland is therefore nonconformist.  Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Listeners, I am now trying to get some information on the women who married into the family. So if you know anything about any of them, I would like to hear from you. Elizabeth Harrison b. abt 1741, maybe in Tanfield, married Robert Widdowfield Rebecca Pile b. abt.1765, died 1833 Washington, County Durham..parents:Benjamin Pile and Judith Graham Elizabeth Carr b. 1805, married 25 Mar 1825 Holy Trinty Washington, Co Dur. Ralph Widdowfield Bertha Widdowfield b. 30 Jun 1888 Yorkshire, Middlesbrough, married John George Cox Jane Smurthwaite, Middlesbrough Sarah Sadie Williams b.12 Sep1921, d. 20 Sep 1986 Middlesbrough. Mary Dixon b.abt. 1776 Hexham, Northumberland Co. Martha Murdy married30 Aug 1840 Brancepath to Robert Widdowfield in St Michaels' Houghton-le-Springs Parish Sarah Craggs b. abt 1806..d.1847....father George Craggs Ann Maugham b. 1826 South Shield Mary Ann Reay, married 1864 to William Widdowfield I have checked IGI, FreeBMD, Some census'. If you have any of these people in your family tree, write me. Thank you so much for your time. Phyllis Pasqual.....California.....USA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

St Nicholas is the Cathedral in Newcastle. Newcastle is in Northumberland not Durham which might explain why you cannot find it. Hope that helps Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Hiscock" <helenh48@westnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] ST NICHOLAS > Hello List, > > I have a marriage cert. which says Newcastle on Tyne, Parish of St Nicholas. > > I have had a look at the Durham Records Office web site and there are more than one St Nicholas so I looked for New Castle on Tyne but could only see St Nicholas in Durham as a possible. > > Would that be the one? Would someone living in Tanfield and Pittington go there to get married? > > TIA > > Helen > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > >