New to list - these are my surnames in Durham. Appreciate hearing from anyone who can connect. Joseph Blenkinsop md 1788 in Hamsterly by Bishop Auckland to Ann Potts Margaret Blenkinsop md 1806 in Hamsterly by Bishop Auckland to Joseph Renwick Joseph Renwick born 1812 Windlerton (Winlaton?) md 1834 in Kirk Merrington to Ann Robson died 1844 Lawson Renwick born 1844 Guerna Villa died 1908 Clearfield Co, Pennsylvania md 1865 at St Andrew, Auckland to Mary Ann Staley born 1846 Bishop Auckland, daughter of Jonathan Staley (born abt 1823 Middleton in Teesdale) and Susannah (born abt 1830 Blakeburn). Lawson & Mary Ann moved to Pennsylvania abt 1870. second line: William Cartwright b abt 1823 Ripon, West Yorks md 1844 in Bedale, North Yorks to Margaret Harrison b abt 1823 in Bedale, moved about 1870 to Durham Co. 1881 in School Aycliffe, Durham, 1891 Margaret widowed at same place. John Cartwright b abt 1853 Langthorne, Bedale, North Yorks md 1878 in Western District of Durham to Mary Jane Dent died 1881. (marriage license on order). John married again to Alice b abt 1857 Sunderland, lived 1881 School Aycliffe, 1891 Darlington, 1901 Barnard Castle. John worked as Railway Carter on NER. Thomas Cartwright b 1881 Simpastine, Durham md 1901 in Gateshead to Anna Keenan b 1885 Northern Ireland, in 1903 Thomas and the Keenan family moved to Cambria Co, Pa. Brian Cartwright Manassas Park, Virginia

Thank you all who gave us advice on seeking information in Gateshead, particularly the need to make appointments and to make our search as narrow as possible. We also appreciate the various websites sent to us. You have been very kind. Frances McGinn New Brunswick, Canada

Hello, Further to the message I have just posted ! I should have said "Gateshead" was in "Co Durham" before 1974!!!! not 1874 (used to writing 1800) Also a good one to look at http://www.familia.org.uk/services/england/durham.html Carole Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Robinson" <brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Travelling to Gateshead; seeking advice > Hello > Do you have an address to search for, or are you looking in general ? > "Gateshead" is a large area to search. (I know I have tried it ) would be > beneficial if you knew which part in advance! > Also what other areas are you wishing to look at ?Choosing where to do your > research would be more beneficial, if you could combine your research to one > site, to maximise your success! > Have you got some History of the name you are searching for ? > Gateshead was in Co Durham before 1874, so you can access all the census > from "Durham Archives" and also "City of Durham Library" both can be pre > booked which is advisable, stating what you would like to look at ! > Parish records can also be looked at for the whole of County Durham ( this > is the link ) > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Gateshead/index.html > > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/ > > "Durham Archives" have a very good Restaurant and also somewhere to eat a > packed lunch, the "Car Park" is available on a Sat and evenings (it is > difficult on weekdays as the "County Hall (where it is) , a very large > building with lots of staff. On a Sat there is a Park-and-ride system from > "Count Hall" into Durham City (5 mins ride) for £1.00 per care (very good) > the library is in "Durham" also has the census info + internet connection , > for members !!! ( I think you can become a temporary member) > > Carole Robinson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Le McGinn" <lmcginn@nbnet.nb.ca> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-DUR] Travelling to Gateshead; seeking advice > > > > We are travelling to Gateshead in April in search of ancestors. Could > some kind person advise us as to where we would go to search the 1871 census > for Gateshead and surrounding area? Would we be able to search the 1871 > census for Caernarfon, Wales from that Durham site? Also, where would we go > in Gateshead to look for birth and marriage records, 1850 to 1890? > > McGinns in Canada > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > query board for Durham gen web > http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/cgi-bin/data/durham.cgi >

Hello Do you have an address to search for, or are you looking in general ? "Gateshead" is a large area to search. (I know I have tried it ) would be beneficial if you knew which part in advance! Also what other areas are you wishing to look at ?Choosing where to do your research would be more beneficial, if you could combine your research to one site, to maximise your success! Have you got some History of the name you are searching for ? Gateshead was in Co Durham before 1874, so you can access all the census from "Durham Archives" and also "City of Durham Library" both can be pre booked which is advisable, stating what you would like to look at ! Parish records can also be looked at for the whole of County Durham ( this is the link ) http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Gateshead/index.html http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/ "Durham Archives" have a very good Restaurant and also somewhere to eat a packed lunch, the "Car Park" is available on a Sat and evenings (it is difficult on weekdays as the "County Hall (where it is) , a very large building with lots of staff. On a Sat there is a Park-and-ride system from "Count Hall" into Durham City (5 mins ride) for £1.00 per care (very good) the library is in "Durham" also has the census info + internet connection , for members !!! ( I think you can become a temporary member) Carole Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le McGinn" <lmcginn@nbnet.nb.ca> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Travelling to Gateshead; seeking advice > We are travelling to Gateshead in April in search of ancestors. Could some kind person advise us as to where we would go to search the 1871 census for Gateshead and surrounding area? Would we be able to search the 1871 census for Caernarfon, Wales from that Durham site? Also, where would we go in Gateshead to look for birth and marriage records, 1850 to 1890? > McGinns in Canada > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html >

Hi My father worked at The Shields Engineering & Dry Dock Co. Ltd between 8th January 1945 - 25th November 1946 as an Apprentice Marine Fitter before serving in the Merchant Navy. Can anyone tell me anything about the said company and are records of such apprenterships recorded? Regards, Anthony Anthony Oliver Email: <mailto:anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com> anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com

In a message dated 06/03/2004 21:46:00 GMT Standard Time, brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I should have said "Gateshead" was in "Co Durham" before 1974 Gateshead is still in the ancient County of Durham. It is now a Unitary Authority for administration purposes. The changes in 1974 did not alter the boundaries of the historic counties see http://www.abcounties.co.uk/newgaz/cen.htm#section3.4 'Note that the LGA 1972 did not do anything to the historic Counties of Britain. It only abolished the administrative counties and county boroughs. The Government was (and still is) happy to confirm that the Counties themselves were unaffected: "The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of Counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."(DoE Statement, 1st April 1974)'. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 06/03/2004 14:57:47 GMT Standard Time, lmcginn@nbnet.nb.ca writes: > We are travelling to Gateshead in April in search of ancestors. Could some > kind person advise us as to where we would go to search the 1871 census for > Gateshead and surrounding area? If you insist on having somewhere in Gateshead then you should go to Gateshead Public Reference Library in Prince Consort Road. However, if you would like also to be able to cover the rest of Tyne and Wear, then go to Tyne and Wear Archives, in Blandford House, Blandford Square, Newcastle. If you want to be able to cover other parts of the pre-1974 Co Durham then go to Durham County Record Office at County Hall, Durham. Appointments are necessary to use muicrofiche readers in the Record Offices but not usually for the Library. A hint - to set out to search the 1871 census for the whole of Gateshead (even the 1871 Gateshead, never mind its modern-day boundaries!), even without the "surrounding area" (which, on that definition must include Newcastle!) would be a very large task indeed. You would stand a much better chance of getting somewhere useful in a reasonable time if you did some homework before setting out and had a good idea of where you wanted to look when you arrived. Would we be able to search the 1871 census for Caernarfon, Wales from that Durham > site? No. Places in the UK usually have the census on microfilm (only) for their own district (town or county) only. I know some counties have recently become available, or will be doing soon, on CD for certain censuses, but in practice it is the microfilm (possibly microfiche for 1841/91/1901). To search a Welsh county you would probably need to go to that county in Wales. Also, where would we go in Gateshead to look for birth and marriage records, 1850 to > 1890? Try Gateshead Registry Office in the Civic Centre, West Street, Gateshead. You cannot look at the records but if you know precisely what you want - ie names and dates - then you can buy certificates for £7 each. If you are happy to search church registers for baptisms (not births), marriages and burials (not deaths), then there will probably be microfilm copies in Gateshead Public Library, Tyne and Wear Archives and Durham County Record Office as before. However, a lot depends on which denomination the church is/was and which period you wish to search. If you will be in Gateshead on the first Tuesday of the month, then why not go to Pelaw Social Club (near Heworth Metro station) at about 7.00pm for 7.30pm when you will be able to attend the monthly meeting of the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society's Gateshead Branch, and get some face-to-face personal advice from the many local experts who regularly attend? If you contact me personally off-list I could give you more information about the NDFHS and about its Gateshead Branch. Geoff Nicholson Chairman, NDFHS Gateshead Branch 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert. Record searching service: you name the records, I search them!

We are travelling to Gateshead in April in search of ancestors. Could some kind person advise us as to where we would go to search the 1871 census for Gateshead and surrounding area? Would we be able to search the 1871 census for Caernarfon, Wales from that Durham site? Also, where would we go in Gateshead to look for birth and marriage records, 1850 to 1890? McGinns in Canada

Is anyone researching the THURSBY family of Darlington? Diane Johansen

----- Original Message ----- From: stacey gardner To: ENG-DURAM-admin@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Daisy Cottage, Benfieldside, Durham Hello I am hoping that someone will be able to help me. I have found a great great uncle of mine a William Bates aged 11 years on the 1901 census at Daisy Cottage, Benfieldside, Durham. There seems to be rather allot of residence so I am led to believe it is either an orphanage or a workhouse. Is there anyone who has heard of this? and where would I be able to find out more. If William lived in Gateshead would this orphanage be a relevant place to send him when both his parents had died. My Nan has said that one of her mothers brothers was sent out to Australia how would I look into this further. Any help would be gratefully received Thank you Stacey Other names of interest in Newcastle and Durham Craig Bates Hall Bridge Young

In a message dated 05/03/2004 16:54:26 GMT Standard Time, stacey.gardner3@btopenworld.com writes: > I have found a great great uncle of mine a William Bates aged 11 years on > the 1901 census at Daisy Cottage, Benfieldside, Durham. There seems to be > rather allot of residence so I am led to believe it is either an orphanage or a > workhouse. Stacey, The "relationship" column should give you a good idea of the status of each person at that address. You don't mention what it says. Is it that you have not really found your relative in the census itself, but only on eg the free section of the PRO site, which doesn't mention the relationships? If so then you need to access the microfilm of the enumerators' notebooks to get the full story. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert. Record searching service: you name the records, I search them!

Mark Birth year Sept 1847 as detailed below. Hayton Phoebe S Shields 24 216 Regards, Anthony Anthony Oliver Email: anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hayton [mailto:mark@haytonweb.co.uk] Sent: 05 March 2004 12:22 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] Harton Workhouse - 1881 Census - Phoebe HAYTON Is it possible for some kind soul to do a check of the original transcript (ie. fiche copy) of the 1881 Census - NOT the LDS online or CD version. I ask this as I am suspicious of the LDS transcription. I'm looking for Phoebe HAYTON, who was living in the South Shields Workhouse at Harton. Details are: PRO RG11/5019 Folio 129 Page 3. She is recorded as being 53, but I am suspicious of this. In 1851, I have a Phoebe HAYTON, aged 3 born and living in S/S. She appears with members of the same family in 1871 aged 23, but her name is written similar to Phealig. She is also registered as being blind, which gives credence to her being at the Workhouse later. Finally, I've found her death within the GRO BMD in late 1888, aged 41. Additionally, I have no record of a Phoebe being born around 1828 in South Shields (or the Tyne and Wear area for that matter). If someone can assist with this request I'd be most appreciated. Regards, Mark Hayton Researching HAYTON, JORDISON, HEWITT, REID Website: www.haytonweb.co.uk ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== I.G.I. Family Search http://www.familysearch.org/ Public Record Office U.K http://www.pro.gov.uk

Is it possible for some kind soul to do a check of the original transcript (ie. fiche copy) of the 1881 Census - NOT the LDS online or CD version. I ask this as I am suspicious of the LDS transcription. I'm looking for Phoebe HAYTON, who was living in the South Shields Workhouse at Harton. Details are: PRO RG11/5019 Folio 129 Page 3. She is recorded as being 53, but I am suspicious of this. In 1851, I have a Phoebe HAYTON, aged 3 born and living in S/S. She appears with members of the same family in 1871 aged 23, but her name is written similar to Phealig. She is also registered as being blind, which gives credence to her being at the Workhouse later. Finally, I've found her death within the GRO BMD in late 1888, aged 41. Additionally, I have no record of a Phoebe being born around 1828 in South Shields (or the Tyne and Wear area for that matter). If someone can assist with this request I'd be most appreciated. Regards, Mark Hayton Researching HAYTON, JORDISON, HEWITT, REID Website: www.haytonweb.co.uk

I am trying to trace the family of Stanley Price, who I am told was a self-made man, a Bank Clerk and then a Schools Inspector, in Sunderland, in the North East of England - I think. He may have had a brother called Joe and a sister called Martha (Betty). He was apparently responsible for my Father achieving everythig he did in life. Any information, please to Colin Smith, Staffordshire,U.K. Email: smith@greensleeves2.fsnet.co.uk

Hi Chris, Don't know if you've had a reply about the Stockton & Thornaby Hospital, but the records for them, should be at the Teesside Archives - you've got the email address for that the other day. Otherwise you could have a look on the web site of Durham CRO to see if they are there. Jan Boyes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Lee" <chris.lee7@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Coroner Inquests > Hi! All, > > Anybody have any idea about the whereabouts of the records from The Stockton > and Thornaby Hospital and if they are available to the public, the time > period is 1899. > > Many regards > Chris. > > -----

In message <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAVcclHmL1IU+YnI5B+lQIG8KAA AAQAAAABGrqU9auP0mEq+p9ZaUe7QEAAAAA@btopenworld.com>, Anthony Oliver <anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com> writes >Hi > > > >Has anyone come across the Christian name PHEALIG and can they tell me where >its origins lie. I have an ancestor that was christened Phealig Hayton and >although born in South Shields the family originates from the Carlisle area. > > > >Regard, Anthony Hello Anthony, It may be a variant of Peleg or Pheleg/Phelig, which is a name found in the Old Testament, in Chronicles 1, which lists the descendants of Adam to Abraham - chapter 1 verse 19 "Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg because in his time the Earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan." Peleg means division. The use of the name may indicate that the family had a non-conformist background, as adherents of some of these religious groups often used obscure Biblical names for their children! Hope this helps. -- Helen Oram

Hi Eric, There is a street index of all the census at Durham CRO - it gives you the Ref, Piece and Folio number, which takes you to the exact place of the street in the film. Makes it a lot easier, instead of searching through the whole town looking for the street! Know you probably won't be able to go to Durham to see it, but why not send them an email, and see if they will give you that info of Station street in Darlington? Their email address is:- record.office@durham.gov.uk. If you email them, please remember to include your name and postal address in case there is a problem in replying by email. Jan Boyes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tennett, Eric R." <ERTennett@cvs.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:48 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Station Street - Darlington. > Could someone plase tell me the best way to search the 1861 census, which I just found ojut is located at my local LDS church. I am looking for Jane Tennet, who was living on Station Street in 1862 and I would like to check the 1861 Darlington census. If there is an easy way to navigate the census I'd appreciate the guidance. > > Eric Tennett >

Hi all, Has anyone heard of, or used, a site I've found called www.bmdindex.co.uk ? It claims to have all bmd events from 1984 to 2001 and some from 1865 with more to follow. Is this a rival to 1837online? It is a subscription site. Regards Ian ian.beattie2@ntlworld .com All messages scanned by Norton Anti-Virus 2002 before transmission. No Attachments have been sent with this message.

Could someone plase tell me the best way to search the 1861 census, which I just found ojut is located at my local LDS church. I am looking for Jane Tennet, who was living on Station Street in 1862 and I would like to check the 1861 Darlington census. If there is an easy way to navigate the census I'd appreciate the guidance. Eric Tennett

Hi! All, Many thanks for all of your help and advice. I have contacted both the Teesside Archives and the Durham Records Office all to no avail, both of these places do not hold the records. My next step is the local newspapers of the time; I'm convinced there is a great tale to tell. Anybody have any idea about the whereabouts of the records from The Stockton and Thornaby Hospital and if they are available to the public, the time period is 1899. Many regards Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Coroner Inquests > > Under the Home Office Circular 250/1967, a schedule of destruction of > coroners records is laid down. While they are within the definition of public records > and open to the public after 75 years many will not have survived those 75 > years. Once 15 years old the records can be 'weeded,' that is destroyed or > sampled by the individual coroner concerned. > Only certain records are designated for permanent preservation. These are the > indexed registers of deaths reported, all papers dated before 1875 and cases > of general public, scientific, forensic, social, local, industrial or > historical interest along with papers relating to treasure trove. Additionally, a > random sample of other papers may also be kept, although coroners are free to keep > all their records. However, from the nineteenth century a newspaper report is > more likely to be the only surviving account. These can be seen in local > libraries and the Newspaper Library, Colindale Avenue, London NW9 5HE. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Browse the ENG-DURHAM archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/eng-durham >