Thanks Stan! Anthony Oliver Email: anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com -----Original Message----- From: Stanmapstone@aol.com [mailto:Stanmapstone@aol.com] Sent: 18 March 2004 22:22 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] South Shields and Jarrow Schools/College You could try the Schools History Site _http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site/index.php Regards Stan Mapstone _ (http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site/index.php) ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== I.G.I. Family Search http://www.familysearch.org/ Public Record Office U.K http://www.pro.gov.uk

HI Can any listeners help me with information relating to the following schools during the periods 1933 - 1946. * Westoe Central School * Hartley's Private School * Jarrow Grammar School * South Shields Marine and Technical College Regards, Anthony . Anthony Oliver Tel: 01344 486 191 Mobile: 07813 902 947 Email: <mailto:anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com> anthony.oliveruk@btopenworld.com

You could try the Schools History Site _http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site/index.php Regards Stan Mapstone _ (http://chrisb.4ce.co.uk/schools_site/index.php)

Would anyone have access to the 1841 census? Or any other source that might help? I'm looking for my Aitkin family who were living on Grosvenor St. Gateshead in 1851 census. Robert Aitkin , head, 41, saddler, Cumberland, Dilston *( I wonder should this be Cumberland, Dalston OR Northumberland, Dilston?)? Ann, wife, 43, Cumberland, Talkin Emma, dau. 10, scholar, Newcastle upon Tyen Mary, dau., 7, scholar, Gateshead Robert, son, 3, Gateshead Jane E., dau. 1, Gateshead any help on these would be much appreciated!! thank you !! Lisa

Hi, Thought i would repost my BRUCE surname interest.Also my CHARLTON surname interest. The BRUCE family have been born in both Stockton and THORNABY that i have traced.They can be found on the 1881 census living at 3 leeds street , Thornaby,Yorkshire. The CHARLTON family are at Sidney Street Stockton in 1881 census on www.familysearch.org Is anyone else tracing any Bruce or Charltons from these areas or perhaps have a link with them. thanks sue

Hi June: I think you may be unlucky and the family has split up by 1891. I think I may have found Susan and Rosina. They are boarders in Sunderland/Bishopwearmouth RG12/4137 Folio 69 p 61 21 Tower Street West Susannah CARD age 25 Rosa CARD age 22 both born Shotley Bridge living with William and Elizth Ann HENDERSON I hope this helps, Irene -----Original Message----- From: june swain [mailto:june@swain900.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:20 PM To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] CARD FAMILY IN BENFIELDSIDE Hi list please can someone help with this family as i still haven't found much on them ,i believe they moved to Durham in 1870 and he only sighting i have found is in the 1881 at 13 wood st Benfieldside,Edward Card the father is missing, i know he dies before 1886 when his son returns to London to marry this is my mystery family i believe they may have moved round as Edward was a journeyman soda water maker, Lydia Card formerly Farrow bn 1834 Middlesex Susan Card bn 1864 Middlesex Clara bn 1860 Middlesex rosina bn 1864 Middlesex john bn 1871 Sunderland Alice bn 1873 Benfieldside Annie bn 1874 Shotley Bridge best wishes june

Interesting. There is an Edward Card on the 1881 census, occupation mineral water bottler, born Bethnal Green, Middlesex aged 45, but he had a wife called Maria Card aged 44. Living at 38 Javina Chambers, Bermondsey, Surrey. Any chance they got divorced/separated? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "june swain" <june@swain900.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:19 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] CARD FAMILY IN BENFIELDSIDE > Hi list > please can someone help with this family as i still haven't found much on them ,i believe they moved to Durham in 1870 and he only sighting i have found is in the 1881 at 13 wood st Benfieldside,Edward Card the father is missing, i know he dies before 1886 when his son returns to London to marry this is my mystery family i believe they may have moved round as Edward was a journeyman soda water maker, > Lydia Card formerly Farrow bn 1834 Middlesex > Susan Card bn 1864 Middlesex > Clara bn 1860 Middlesex > rosina bn 1864 Middlesex > john bn 1871 Sunderland > Alice bn 1873 Benfieldside > Annie bn 1874 Shotley Bridge > best wishes june > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History > by ROY STOCKDILL > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html >

Hello everyone Can anyone look at the 1871 census for Middlesbrough for me, I am trying to find out about william henry altringham who lived with his wife mary ann and children my gran (Isabelle/Isabella) at henry street middlesbrough, in 1870 thanks Chrissy

Hi list please can someone help with this family as i still haven't found much on them ,i believe they moved to Durham in 1870 and he only sighting i have found is in the 1881 at 13 wood st Benfieldside,Edward Card the father is missing, i know he dies before 1886 when his son returns to London to marry this is my mystery family i believe they may have moved round as Edward was a journeyman soda water maker, Lydia Card formerly Farrow bn 1834 Middlesex Susan Card bn 1864 Middlesex Clara bn 1860 Middlesex rosina bn 1864 Middlesex john bn 1871 Sunderland Alice bn 1873 Benfieldside Annie bn 1874 Shotley Bridge best wishes june

The other thing to bear in mind, as I think Stan alluded to, is that there is not necessarily a legal right of way along these unadopted roads. I found this out to my cost recently when selling my house on an unadopted lane. Somehow the need for a right of way up the lane had been overlooked for over a century, even when some newish houses were built about 15 years ago, and I had to purchase an indemnity policy for my purchaser, just in case a neighbour decided that he couldn't cross their "patch" to get to the house. I was rather more concerned that my solicitors hadn't picked this up when I bought the place a couple of years ago. Oh well, we live and learn. Caro Holden

In a message dated 17/03/2004 09:54:11 GMT Standard Time, wrightgc@optusnet.com.au writes: > The Mariners Cottages were built on either side of Broughton Road in the > mid > 1800s , and until around 1962 the section of roadway running between the two > groups of cottages was unsealed ---I think the surface was gravel ( I still > have the scars on my knees from skidding on my bike when I was a > schoolboy ).  The road surface of the rest of Broughton Road ( and every > other street in South Shields that I know of ) was finished with either > bitumen or concrete , so I have always wondered why was this one section > unfinished  ??   I imagine it has something to do with the cottages, but it > seems so strange that one short one hundred metre stretch in the middle of a > fully developed built up area should be unsealed  --  and I think there was > a perfectly normal pedestrian pavement on each side of the road , which I > presume was maintained by the local authority . >        Roads serving houses built on what was formerly private ground are officially "private roads" and their upkeep and surfacing etc are the responsibility of the owners of the adjacent property.  The local Council will only take over or "adopt" a road, if the local property owners pay them to do so.  Presumably in the case you quote that had not happened at the time you refer to.  There used to be many unadopted back lanes but gradually they have mostly been adopted over the years.  Many were in pit villages where the coal company weren't bothered about the state of the road, and were only gradually persuaded, often after nationalisation, to have them adopted.                           Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert. Record searching service: you name the records, I search them!

Can anyone help me trace the surname Altringham. My grandmother was Isabelle/Isabella Altringham and her parents were William Henry and Mary Ann Alteringham nee Smith, Isabelle was born in Middlesbrough. I would be most grateful for any help. Chrissy

Hello list, I am hoping that someone with a knowledge of local government can answer a query that has puzzled me for many years . The Mariners Cottages were built on either side of Broughton Road in the mid 1800s , and until around 1962 the section of roadway running between the two groups of cottages was unsealed ---I think the surface was gravel ( I still have the scars on my knees from skidding on my bike when I was a schoolboy ). The road surface of the rest of Broughton Road ( and every other street in South Shields that I know of ) was finished with either bitumen or concrete , so I have always wondered why was this one section unfinished ?? I imagine it has something to do with the cottages, but it seems so strange that one short one hundred metre stretch in the middle of a fully developed built up area should be unsealed -- and I think there was a perfectly normal pedestrian pavement on each side of the road , which I presume was maintained by the local authority . Does anyone have an answer ?? Gordon Wright Perth , Western Australia

Beverley, there is a page on the Durham Mining site that tells you occupations but this is what it says about Banksman. Banksmen 1825: those who, at the bank or top of the pit, unhook and empty the laden corves into the carts or waggons, from a frame or stage. 1849: a man who draws the full tubs from the cages at the surface, when wound up by the engine, and replaces them with empty ones ; he also puts the full tubs to the weighing machine, and thence to the skreens, upon which he teems the coals. It is also his duty to keep an account of the quantity of coals and stones drawn each day. 1894: Person who controls the unloading and loading of the cage at the pit top, and signals the descent of the workmen Regards Daphne >-- Original Message -- >From: "Beverley Rittwage" <brittwage@rogers.com> >Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:13:57 -0500 >Subject: [ENG-DUR] DURHAM COLLIERY >To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > >Durham Mining Museum. >I see there were many Colliery's in Durham, more than 10 in Evenwood alone. > >http://www.dmm.org.uk/company/w030.htm This site is full of very useful information, >including list of names of people that died from mining accidents. Could >someone please answer a question regarding Ludworth Colliery? What is the >occupation of a Colliery Banksman? Beverley > > >==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== >Browse the ENG-DURHAM archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/eng-durham > __________________________________________________ Broadband from an unbeatable £15.99! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/home.html?code=SM-NL-11AM

For those not familiar with the various administrative units of Britain, there is a dictionary at http://tiger.iso.port.ac.uk:7778/pls/nfp/prog.au_ft.dictionary Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2004 09:54:11 GMT Standard Time, wrightgc@optusnet.com.au writes: > I imagine it has something to do with the cottages, but it > seems so strange that one short one hundred metre stretch in the middle of a > fully developed built up area should be unsealed Hi Gordon, It appears that the road was 'unadopted' by the local authority. I have one at the bottom of my garden which serves a row of cottages. If the residents wish the road to be adopted, and maintained by the local authority, then they have to pay for the initial work to be done. Unadopted roads, often referred to as private roads, are roads that do not reach the minimum adoptable standards set by the local authority. As such, unadopted roads do not receive any maintenance by councils. Unadopted roads usually consist of a dirt or rubble-track that in many cases do not have basic services such as drainage and street lighting. Although referred to as private, many unadopted roads are also a public thoroughfare and therefore cannot be fenced off or obstructed. It would appear that unadopted roads are a ‘legacy of the past’ something that just ‘came about’ over a period of time and several generations, in the days before planning regulations and Tarmac roads. The problem of unadopted roads continues to exist today because of disagreements between residents and local authorities over the financing of improvements. Many unadopted roads are also plagued by uncertainties/disputes regarding land ownership. http://www.sunderlandroads.org.uk/unadopted.html Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2004 08:02:42 GMT Standard Time, JcqlnKlly@aol.com writes: > List can someone tell me where Cronywell is in Durham You will find Croniwell listed in Places in County Durham http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces?OpenView&Startkey=A Always a good place to start. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2004 04:12:59 GMT Standard Time, brittwage@rogers.com writes: > What is the occupation of a Colliery Banksman? Another site worth looking at is the Coalmining Dictionary at http://website.lineone.net/~coalmining/index-page17.html Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2004 08:02:42 GMT Standard Time, JcqlnKlly@aol.com writes: > Hi! List can someone tell me where Cronywell is in Durham? Or is it the > name > of a house? Can you please help me? > An old (pre-industrial) name for what became Hamsterley Colliery in the Derwent Valley east of Ebchester. It was owned by a branch of the locally widespread Surtees family at one time. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert. Record searching service: you name the records, I search them!

Hi! List can someone tell me where Cronywell is in Durham? Or is it the name of a house? Can you please help me? Jackie!