Hallo Listers, Thank you very much for all your help its much appreciated. Kind regards Val

Hello Val, I've found them in Staindrop - I'll send you the images off-list. Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: <VMSPEED@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] 1891 census look up please > > I am re-posting this it as it missed being put on the postings. > > Hallo, > > Happy Easter holiday everyone! > > If anyone has access to the 1891 census for Staindrop, would they very kindly > look up Thomas Vickers (Wine and Spirit Merchant Vickers & Hanson Staindrop) > his wife and more especially his children. > > If it is of any help - their address in 1881 was Queens Hd Wynd Staindrop > In 1901 they lived at 61 Main Street, Staindrop, when he was a Draper and > Grocer > > I have these children's names from my Aunt, verified with the 1901 and 1881 > census as her memory is a bit sketchy: > Helena b. 1874, Hilda b. 1877, John Hanson b. 1880, Guy Lindsey b. 6th > May1887, Thomas b. 1891 and Doris b. 1892. > Apart from Guy. L. Vickers all the dates are from the census's > > I am looking for four more children (one of whom, died as a child) > > Once again, thank you for your help. > > Regards Val --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 09/04/2004

I am re-posting this it as it missed being put on the postings. Hallo, Happy Easter holiday everyone! If anyone has access to the 1891 census for Staindrop, would they very kindly look up Thomas Vickers (Wine and Spirit Merchant Vickers & Hanson Staindrop) his wife and more especially his children. If it is of any help - their address in 1881 was Queens Hd Wynd Staindrop In 1901 they lived at 61 Main Street, Staindrop, when he was a Draper and Grocer I have these children's names from my Aunt, verified with the 1901 and 1881 census as her memory is a bit sketchy: Helena b. 1874, Hilda b. 1877, John Hanson b. 1880, Guy Lindsey b. 6th May1887, Thomas b. 1891 and Doris b. 1892. Apart from Guy. L. Vickers all the dates are from the census's I am looking for four more children (one of whom, died as a child) Once again, thank you for your help. Regards Val

Hello All Have just added pages for Stockley and East Rainton to my website. For those with an interest in these areas click on census info then Durham. Best wishes and happy Easter. Debbie Wild DUBAI U.A.E. www.wildfamily.info

<-----Original Message-----From: Phyllis Pasqual> wrote "I have two family members who stopped me at the brick wall before I took the first step. One, named Francis, the other Harrison. I'm thinking that maybe Francis used the name Frank, and Harrison using Henry." I have a Frank in my tree and his birth certificate shows name as Francis. Think it could be possible Harrison went by Harry or Henry but in this game anything is possible. :-)) My Polly turned out to be Mary and by all accounts that is common. Happy Hunting Regards Sue

In a message dated 10/04/2004 23:21:12 GMT Daylight Time, widdowfield9255@yahoo.com writes: I have two family members who stopped me at the brick wall before I took the first step. One, named Francis, the other Harrison. I'm thinking that maybe Francis used the name Frank, and Harrison using Henry. Researching the names of Francis, Harrison or Harry have gotten me nowhere. Any ideas?? You could well be right, but I think we would need more information as to the nature of your "brick wall" before we could have any worthwhile ideas. Certainly most Franks are really Francis, and anyone really having Harrison as a first name would no doubt be known as Henry or, perhaps more likely, Harry. However, there are many other things which might account for your being "stuck". Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

i am tyrying to trace a george nelson born murton durham england he married a jane (maybe nicholl) not sure in 1881 census living at harton with 8 children hannah b born cramlington (newsham) according to 1901 census john 10 months andrew and 5 others can anyone help me find out who george parents were and if it was jane nicholl who he married he was born december quarter 1846 kitty

Louise, Thanks ever so much for all the work you went on my be half to find Thomas Rowell and family on the 1861-71-81 and 1891 census. This has solved a long standing problem for me as I assumed that he had died. Thomas Rowell >From: "Louise Hughes" <Louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk> >Reply-To: "Louise Hughes" <Louhughes@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: "TO Rowell" <rowell_genealogy@hotmail.com>,<ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Rowell- South Shields >Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 14:09:56 +0100 > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines

Hi Listers, I have two family members who stopped me at the brick wall before I took the first step. One, named Francis, the other Harrison. I'm thinking that maybe Francis used the name Frank, and Harrison using Henry. Researching the names of Francis, Harrison or Harry have gotten me nowhere. Any ideas?? Thanks, Phyllis.....California....USA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th

Please could someone do a lookup in the 1861 census for me. I'm after George CARR born about 1814 in Coxhoe so would be about 46-48 in age, and would have been probably working as a butcher and/or farmer. He should have his son, also George, born about 1843 Coxhoe living with him so aged about 17 or 18 and maybe also working as a butcher/farmer. Thanks, Ian _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello I am hoping that someone has access to the 1871 Census for Jarrow and would be kind enough to do a look up for me. George Craig born about 1810 and his wife Martha born about 1830 (according on age on death certificate) I have there son Albert being born 31/3/1863 at 71 Middle Row, Jarrow and the Martha died 14/4/1874 at 9 Monkton Road, Jarrow. I am hoping that one of these two addresses is where they are in the 1871 Census. Thank you for taking the time to read this Stacey Gardner Bognor Regis, West Sussex

I recently found a handwritten list of those who attended the funereal of my Uncle Alfred Hughff TAYLOR who was tragically killed whilst working in garage in Bedale in 1951. I wonder if anyone has any further information or memories of the incident. My Uncle Alf had been working under a vehicle with an electric lightbulb without a cage around it. The lightbulb fell to the ground, smashed and the vehicle caught fire. Uncle Alf died sometime after and I think the garage owner was prosecute. Although I was only 4 years old at time I recall seeing a presscutting mentioning that the people of Bedale formed a human chain passing buckets of water in an attempt to extinguish the fire. Uncle Alf and Aunt Gladys (nee BROWN) lived at Swiss Cottage, Newton-le-Willows and I think were well known in the area because of their mobile 'fish and chip' van. I have listed all the details I have of those who attended the funeral and their possible relationship to Uncle Alf, if known: Mr HUGHFF Crook, Co. Durham (G Uncle) Mr W TAYLOR Finghall (? Wesley - G Uncle) Fred TAYLOR Darlington (Brother) Albert TAYLOR Peterborough (Brother) Mr & Mrs J LOADMAN Finghall (Aunt & Uncle) Mr & Mrs J(?) HORNER Patrick Brompton (Aunt & Uncle) Miss HOBSON Redcar (Aunt) Mr & Mrs PINKNEY Redcar (Aunt & Uncle) Mr & Mrs W LOADMAN Mr & Mrs JR LOADMAN Finghall Mr & Mrs W HORNER Patrick Brompton Mr & Mrs T EDEN Leyburn Mrs C BOSOMWORTH Leeming Bar Mr & Mrs E SPENCE (Well???) Mr F SIMPSON Redcar Mr R METCALFE Mr & Mrs A METCALFE Mrs B WALTON North Cowton Mrs A WADE North Cowton Mr W METCALFE East Cowton Mrs NEWTON Tunstall Mr J HEUGHFF (sic HUGHFF) Cousin Miss HEUGHFF (sic HUGHFF) Cousin If you recognise anyone, have any further information regarding those who attended the funeral or the incident itself, please contact me. I want to try and create as full an account as possible for the family tree/book. (I have sent this to the North Yorks and Durham lists). Regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK

Please would some kind soul look up Ellen Shirley in 1861 abode Albert Place, Hanley. I have no age for her trying to find out who she could be as she is the informant on a death certificate, and it does not say what relationship. also John Bayliss born 1840 West Brom. Thank you happy easter Thankyou Ollie

Hi Thomas I think this your man: 1891: 26 John Clay? Street, Westoe, South Shields Thomas SHEWAN? Head m. 29 Coal Miner b. Seaham Harbour, Durham Annie wife m. 29 b. East Boldon, Durham Thomas R. son 9 scholar b. Boldon Colliery, Durham **Thomas ROWELL Father in Law widow 60 Cartman b. Wycliffe, Yorkshire I found him on the 1881 census too: 1881: 32 Burns Street, Boldon, Durham Thomas RULE Head widow 50 carman born Wycliff, York. Annie RULE daur unmarried 19 Housekeeper born Boldon, Durham In 1871: 1871 Census, South Shields District Family Number: 19321.7 Boldon 1871 Census, East Boldon, Boldon Colliery, 5 North Row Thomas Rowell, Head, widowed, 40, Cartman, Wycliffe, Yorkshire Mary Rowell, Wife, married, 37, Dressmaker, do Mary J. Rowell, daughter, 16, Boldon Ann Rowell, daughter, 9, Scholar, do Elizabeth Rowell, daughter, 6, Scholar, do Joseph Richardson, lodger, 49, Coalminer, Easington So, you have Thomas ROWELL marrying Mary X sometime before (probably) 1854, judging by Mary J.'s age. Mary X died before 1881 and was born c1834 Yorkshire (Wycliff?). BUT! Then I found him on the 1861 and wife's name has changed! 1861: 1861 Census, South Shields District Family Number: 16265.6 Boldon 1861 Census,East Boldon,North Side Thomas Rowell, Head,married, 30, Quarryman,Wycliffe,Yorkshire Jane Rowell, Wife,married, 28, Boldon Mary Jane Rowell, daughter, 6, Scholar,do Margaret Rowell, daughter, 3, do Elizabeth Rowell, daughter, 2, do So, did he marry twice? First Jane X born Boldon c.1833. Second Mary X born Yorks (poss Wycliff) c1834? or are they one and the same person: you will have to check original census transcripts to find this out. On freebmd, I found the death of a Jane ROWELL aged 34 South Shields Dec 1867. Hope this has given you some useful info. and something to work on! Best wishes Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "TO Rowell" <rowell_genealogy@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Rowell- South Shields Hello List, I have been struggling to find my Great Uncle Thomas Rowell born 1831 Wycliffe, Yks. and assumed that he must have died as there has been no sign of him since the 1841 census until now, when I have found him living with his daughter Annie and family at 294 Station Rd, South Shields on the 1901 census. Annie was born at East Boldon 1862, so I assume (Maybe) that Thomas was in this area since that time. Should anyone have access to the 1891 census I would surely appreciate a look up for Thomas and hopefully his wife will be with him as he is a widow in1901. Thanks and Happy Easter to all, Thomas Rowell _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting! If you do not like or agree with something on the list then your options are:(1)Simply 'delete' the relevant message(s)(2)'reply to that mail off list to the sender only'(3)unsubscribe' from the list!

In a message dated 09/04/2004 15:16:22 GMT Daylight Time, swt39@juno.com writes: Barley Mow Farm, High Hendon Sandra, Barley Mow Farm was on the Ryhope Road out of Sunderland near the junction with Villette Road, the site is now Barley Mow Park. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello, I live in the U.S., but have a 1998 road atlas for England. I am hoping that someone can help me pinpoint two locations: Barley Mow Farm, High Hendon Hunter Farm, Stockton Turnpike Road Thank you. Sandra

Hello List, I have been struggling to find my Great Uncle Thomas Rowell born 1831 Wycliffe, Yks. and assumed that he must have died as there has been no sign of him since the 1841 census until now, when I have found him living with his daughter Annie and family at 294 Station Rd, South Shields on the 1901 census. Annie was born at East Boldon 1862, so I assume (Maybe) that Thomas was in this area since that time. Should anyone have access to the 1891 census I would surely appreciate a look up for Thomas and hopefully his wife will be with him as he is a widow in1901. Thanks and Happy Easter to all, Thomas Rowell _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines

In message <81.8f226c3.2da6f282@aol.com>, VMSPEED@aol.com writes >Dear Helen, > >Many thanks for all the information. > >I suspected it might have been TB since the patients came from such diverse >places. Some were just called 'patient' with no name given is this usual? > >Regards Val. Hello Val, Yes, you will quite often find patients in institutions are anonymous in the various censuses. Sometimes just their initials are given. I do not know if this is due to the Doctor in charge respecting patient confidentiality, or if it was an official instruction on how to fill out the census return. Regards, -- Helen Oram

Dear Helen, Many thanks for all the information. I suspected it might have been TB since the patients came from such diverse places. Some were just called 'patient' with no name given is this usual? Regards Val.

In message <1ac.2296118a.2da6707b@aol.com>, VMSPEED@aol.com writes > Hallo Listers, > >My g. grandfather was in Hope Hall at the time of the 1901 census.( Name was >miss spelt) >It is shown as an institution with a matron and only one nurse. > >Does any one know if Hope Hall was a hospital? > >Regards Val Hello Val, In 1881 Horn Hall was the home for the manager of the lead works. It had a farm associated with it. By 1900 Horn Hall, Stanhope was an establishment run by the Society for the Prevention and Cure of Consumption in the County of Durham, who were planning a new wing to the building at this date. The clear air in Upper Weardale was thought to have been of benefit for these patients. It is being redeveloped see page 9 of the document below, where there is a picture of the old building. <http://www.durhamdales-pct.co.uk/database/news/Dales_annual_Report.pdf> Durham County Record Office also has some pictures Ref No. D/CL 5/2097 Photograph of Stanhope, Horn Hall Hospital, n.d. (1 photograph, 20.6 cm. x 12.1 cm., black and white) Ref No. D/CL 5/2098 Photograph of Stanhope, Horn Hall Hospital, n.d. (1 photograph, 20.5 cm. x 12.1 cm., black and white) According to "Picturesque Weardale Revisited" by Peter Bowes (a book well worth tracking down if you are interested in Weardale ISBN 0-897822-03-0), the Society for the Prevention & Cure of Consumption was established in 1898 by a Stanhope Doctor - William ROBINSON. He wrote several papers, including "Endemic Goitre" in 1885 which won a gold medal, and spoke at the National Tuberculosis Conference, Westminster 1909. Horn Hall was leased from the Ecclesiastical commissioners for 35 pounds per annum and fitted out for 700 pounds. It was opened on May 15th 1900 for 12 patients. By 1901 there were 18 beds. In 1902 a new wing with verandah was added and there was now room for 30 patients (male). Patients could be from as far away as the industrial centres such as the Tyne & Sunderland. The Society also had an establishment in Wolsingham for women & children, called Leases House opened in 1909. Regards, -- Helen Oram