Can i suggest the following website - http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm - it lists a number of useful websites for family historians prepared by family history group in Lancashire but is certainly not exclusive to that area ... Also can i suggest the text 'Ancestral Trails' by Mark D. Herber (new addition) as a wonderful resource on researching family history in the united kingdom ... many may already have a copy of their own or have a copy they can access readily and will probably testify as to its merit ... I came across it recently in Australia and use it all the time ... it's truly an awesome book ... certainly the best i've ever come across re: family history/genealogy I have no financial or other interest in either the website or book - just thought I would let others know how great both are. Regards domonic (Australia)

Hello Chris, What was the full name and quarter in 1841? Best regards, John Kane Sapcote, Leics. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CChrisbrooks@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] GRO Index problem > Hello Listers, > > I'm looking for advice please. > > I found a GRO reference for an 1841 birth certificate using '1837online' > having failed to get results with FreeBMD searches. The ONS are telling me that > the name I want is not under the GRO reference I have quoted. > > I've checked the scanned image on 1837online again and whilst it is > handwritten there are no bad figures in it so I am confident that it is clearly > legible. ONS have said the website I have used is not theirs, the reference is wrong > and that I should check the reference on another website - but they > would/could not suggest one when I asked where else I could check it. > > Can anyone suggest other site where one can check GRO references? > > Thanks in advance. > > Chris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004

Hi Pamela, I still have the film for the Darlington birth registrations for that time period, I will check it out over the weekend and let you know. Judy Wasylenko -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hamilton [mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com] Sent: April 14, 2004 5:43 AM To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Need help, BOARDMAN, Darlington Hi Pamela, If you go to the FreeBMD website at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and do a search for births Mary Boardman then in the results page there is one which might be yours. Births registered March 1875/Darlington - Mary Elizabeth Boardman. Do you think this might be the one? Regarding the 1881 census - have you checked for alternative spellings? There is for example on the 1881 census at http://www.familysearch.org/ a Mary E Beardman aged 6, born Darlington, living in Markfield, Leicester with parents Peter and Elizabeth and brothers John F and Thomas H. Hope this helps a bit and is not a wild goose chase. Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Marshall" <pansy_28@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Need help, BOARDMAN, Darlington > Seeking any info on Mary Elizabeth BOARDMAN c 1875 born Darlington Durham > > I can't find any record of birth or find her in the 1881 census, she is named in daughters birth certificate in Australia. > Kind regards Pamela > > > > Pamela Thorburn Marshall, Qld, Australia > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > ______________________________

Hello Listers, I'm looking for advice please. I found a GRO reference for an 1841 birth certificate using '1837online' having failed to get results with FreeBMD searches. The ONS are telling me that the name I want is not under the GRO reference I have quoted. I've checked the scanned image on 1837online again and whilst it is handwritten there are no bad figures in it so I am confident that it is clearly legible. ONS have said the website I have used is not theirs, the reference is wrong and that I should check the reference on another website - but they would/could not suggest one when I asked where else I could check it. Can anyone suggest other site where one can check GRO references? Thanks in advance. Chris

If anyone has a burial list for Burtley cemetery could you please look for a date of death for a Richard Wright.I believe his wife Elizabeth died in 1936 aged 82 and they share a double grave,unmarked.I assume Richard died later than his wife and he was aged 85 when she died,I know they were both alive in 1934. With Thanks Ann

I am anxous to trace any descendents of William McKay, merchant seaman. Children born possibly Wallsend, Gateshead. There were six children, one believed to have married a Ritson. William was widowed in the 1920s and married Edith Thompson on 24th December 1930 at Scotland Street Chapel, Sheffield. He died in Sheffield in about 1946. Chris Roderick

Sunderland is not indexed on Ancestry yet, but if this helps, I did find 3 Cards born in Whitechapel, Middlesex in London. 1871 England Census Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island John Card 29 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Head Bethnal Green London John S Card 3 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Son St Mary Stratford le Bow London Stephen J Card 27 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Head St Mary Stratford le Bow London Renee

In a message dated 15/04/2004 10:28:38 GMT Daylight Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: Geoff, unfortunately this is long out of print and according to the Local Studies Centre in Sunderland is unlikely to be ever be reprinted as a lot of money was lost on the production of the book. This is a great pity as it is one of the best books published about Sunderland. It is possible to get a copy through the Inter-Library loan scheme. Ageed: that was the main reason why I just mentioned the title and did not give a full reference with editor, publisher, ISBN number etc. I anticipated that subscribers to this List might possibly come across it in a reference library or in a seconnd-hand book shop. It might be a good idea if anyone interested was to keep a look-out for it via Amazon, e-bay, for instance. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

<<<<<<In a message dated 15/04/2004 09:49:44 GMT Daylight Time, GNicresearch@aol.com writes: and the Sunderland Corporation/Vaux Breweries (whatever happened to them?) book "Sunderland: River, Town and People">>>>>> Geoff, unfortunately this is long out of print and according to the Local Studies Centre in Sunderland is unlikely to be ever be reprinted as a lot of money was lost on the production of the book. This is a great pity as it is one of the best books published about Sunderland. It is possible to get a copy through the Inter-Library loan scheme. Regards Stan Mapstone

<<<<<In a message dated 15/04/2004 09:49:44 GMT Daylight Time, GNicresearch@aol.com writes: To give you some idea of what that would entail, the population of the township of Sunderland itself in 1871 was 16,861.>>>>> Just to confirm what Geoff points out, and the task involved, the population of Sunderland Municipal Borough, formed in 1835, was 98,242 in 1871, 116,542 in 1881, 131,015 in 1891 and 146,077 in 1901. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 14/04/2004 23:32:47 GMT Daylight Time, june@swain900.fsnet.co.uk writes: i know this may not be possible but i was wondering whether anyone could help me with a 1871 look up in Sunderland i have no address only names I have little problem with nomenclature here. What is a "look-up"? I have always thought of it as being simply looking at a reference, supplied by the person requesting it, and therefore requiring no searching at all. A census look-up should therefore be based on a census piece and folio number or, if that preferred information is not available, then at least on the street name and the number or name of the house within the street. Anything requiring the information to be hunted for is not a look-up in my book: it is a search! The 1871 census for Sunderland is, as yet, unindexed, so you are asking "SKS" to search the whole of the "town" for you. To give you some idea of what that would entail, the population of the township of Sunderland itself in 1871 was 16,861. However, the Borough of Sunderland also included the townships of Bishopwearmouth (59,032), Bishopwearmouth Panns (264), Monkwearmouth (5,507) and Monkwearmouth Shore (16,641), a total of 98,305 people. That is not counting the more outlying places such as Fulwell and Southwick, which were not then parts of the Borough. That is what I have in mind when I say "Some idea of the street, or of the general district within the town, is essential". I will let you calculate how many hours it might take to search through all the many, many, rolls of microfilm that would entail. . It would help if those who are not familiar with our north-eastern towns (Sunderland is now a City - official!) were at least to make themselves familar with the general high levels of local population, in the 19th century and before, as well as today. After all, that population level was largely a response to all the labour-intensive industries which existed here in the 19th century, the demise of which during the 20th century has caused so many problems. We are not all country bumpkins, and a town once so prominent in shipbuilding and coal mining and export, as well as having many other major industries, the port and the glass industry being ones which springs to mind, can hardly have done it all with only a handful of a population! There are many books on local history which will give the general background. Tom Corfe's "History of Sunderland" and the Sunderland Corporation/Vaux Breweries (whatever happened to them?) book "Sunderland: River, Town and People" are both useful in that respet, as are any of the 19th century Trades Directories, some of which, I understand, are now on-line. There's no need even to wade through any of them - just look at the general size of the Directories and you will get the picture. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hi list i know this may not be possible but i was wondering whether anyone could help me with a 1871 look up in Sunderland i have no address only names as they moved there for work from Middlesex,i'm looking for EDWARD CARD bn 1832 Whitechapel Lydia bn 1834 Middlesex Susan bn 1864 Middlesex Clara bn 1860 Middlesex Rosina bn 1864 Middlesex John bn 1871 Sunderland thank you for any help best wishes june

Hi Pamela, If you go to the FreeBMD website at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and do a search for births Mary Boardman then in the results page there is one which might be yours. Births registered March 1875/Darlington - Mary Elizabeth Boardman. Do you think this might be the one? Regarding the 1881 census - have you checked for alternative spellings? There is for example on the 1881 census at http://www.familysearch.org/ a Mary E Beardman aged 6, born Darlington, living in Markfield, Leicester with parents Peter and Elizabeth and brothers John F and Thomas H. Hope this helps a bit and is not a wild goose chase. Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Marshall" <pansy_28@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Need help, BOARDMAN, Darlington > Seeking any info on Mary Elizabeth BOARDMAN c 1875 born Darlington Durham > > I can't find any record of birth or find her in the 1881 census, she is named in daughters birth certificate in Australia. > Kind regards Pamela > > > > Pamela Thorburn Marshall, Qld, Australia > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html >

Seeking any info on Mary Elizabeth BOARDMAN c 1875 born Darlington Durham I can't find any record of birth or find her in the 1881 census, she is named in daughters birth certificate in Australia. Kind regards Pamela Pamela Thorburn Marshall, Qld, Australia --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th

Dear Listers, Thank you all once again for your help! Happy hunting Regards Val

In a message dated 13/04/2004 07:56:04 GMT Daylight Time, VMSPEED@aol.com writes: For the purpose of birth records is Staindrop in Teesdale? Whilst researching the births of my family I found a John Hanson Vickers born in Teesdale June 1879 I have John Hanson Vickers as born in Staindrop 1880 on the census. The two names together are unusual (he was named after the other partner in a business). For registration purposes the GRO indexes, which is what I guess you are quoting, give us the Registration District. Where its boundaries lie is purely a beaurocratic decision so although Staindrop is only on the margins of Teesdale I do expect it would have been in Teesdale Registration District. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hallo Listers For the purpose of birth records is Staindrop in Teesdale? Whilst researching the births of my family I found a John Hanson Vickers born in Teesdale June 1879 I have John Hanson Vickers as born in Staindrop 1880 on the census. The two names together are unusual (he was named after the other partner in a business). Regards Val Speed

here they are in 1891 Name:   Pfaff, Thomas Age in 1891:   30 Relation:   Head Gender:   Male Where Born:   Furtroangen, Baden;germany Pfaff, Anna 30 Offenburg, Baden; Germany Wife Bishop Wearmouth Durham Pfaff, Frederick Wm 2 Sunderland, Durham Son Bishop Wearmouth Durham   Civil parish:   Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical parish:   Hendon St Pauls County:   Durham   Street address: Savill Place - Back Tavistock Place Occupation: Watchmaker ( Boarding with them was a Frederick Fuller, also a watchmaker aged 20 born Gutenback, Baden Germany)   Source information:   RG12/4139 Registration district:   Sunderland Sub registration district:   South Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel:   15 Folio:   4 Page:   1 On 12 Apr 2004, at 18:13, Michael Harding wrote: > Could SKS with access to the 1891 census for Jarrow have a look for a > family > of German immigrants. > > The family name is Phaffle, but they may be down as Phaffl(e)y or > Pipaffley. > They were at Market Square, Jarrow in 1901 and they seem to have been > associated with St Peters Church, Jarrow. > > Thanks very much > > Mike > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk >

Could SKS with access to the 1891 census for Jarrow have a look for a family of German immigrants. The family name is Phaffle, but they may be down as Phaffl(e)y or Pipaffley. They were at Market Square, Jarrow in 1901 and they seem to have been associated with St Peters Church, Jarrow. Thanks very much Mike

Hi, I have never actually posted to this list but I am reseaching all SWAINSTONs in Darlington. I have found the early birth registrations (1807-1828) but can't seem to find which church they married in. I currently have the parish register for St. Cuthbert's for baptisms 1830 to 1903. I am willing to go legitimate requests (no fishing trips <g>. Judy Victoria, BC