In a message dated 02/05/2004 16:28:44 GMT Daylight Time, dougandbunny@freenet.co.uk writes: A William JOBLING "aged 52 of Great Unsworth" was buried in Washington parish on 7th June 1850 - presumably one of the victims. . Yes, presumably so - but for "Unsworth" we should read "Usworth" - a common error made by non-local readers but not, I find, a very common one made by local parish clerks! . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Dear listers, I have been unable to locate my g-grandfather or 2 of his brothers in the 1901 census and request some advice to resources to try next. G/Grandfather - George Carruthers Aged 22 in 1901 married in Leeds, West Yorks, Nov 1903. Brother - James Carruthers Aged 26 in 1901. Brother - John Carruthers Aged 20 in 1901. There is a possible James Carruthers in the army "Private Soldier 2 H L Infantry" who fits the bill. Location of barracks not given - so could be anywhere. Anyone know what the H L stands for? Highland Lancers??? No George or John Carruthers come up on the online 1901 who are of the right age/location/place of birth. There is every chance that George & John were also in the army, abroad somewhere... but this is just based on guesswork. Thomas the eldest was married and living nearby in 1901. George married in Leeds 1903, to a lass from Spennymoor whose family had moved to Leeds. Why would George be in Leeds I wonder? Unless he knew the lass from her time in Spennymoor previously. I have no record of James or John after the 1891 census. As they were labourers, the likelihood of gravestones are slim - but I will be visiting the area this summer - any suggestions for a churchyard? They were most probably RC, as both my mother & grandfather are/were. Any suggestions to where to look next? Resources to check? Any help appreciated. I know from my mother that family were still in the area just after the war, as she remembers visiting with my grandfather on a few occasions - but she can't recollect any names. Family in 1901. 1901 REF: RG13/4683 COXHOE BLACKGATE JOHN CARRUTHERS, HEAD, M, 63, FARM LABOURER, WORKER, SCOTLAND. ISABELLA CARRUTHERS, WIFE, M, 53, SCOTLAND. LIZZIE CARRUTHERS, DAUR, S, 18, DRESSMAKER, OWN ACCOUNT AT HOME, SCOTLAND. ISABELLA CARRUTHERS, DAUR, S, 14, DURHAM, COXHOE. Family in 1891 RG12/4103 Folio 55 Pg 20 Sch 122 Blackgate, Coxhoe. CARRUTHERS John Hd M 54 Quarryman b Scotland Isabella Wi M 46 b Scotland James So S 17 Quarryman b Scotland George So 12 Scholar b Scotland John So 10 Scholar b Scotland Agnes Da S 18 b Scotland Lizzie Da 8 Scholar b Scotland Family in 1881 Dwelling: Alpine St Census Place: Urr, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224056 GRO Ref Volume 864 EnumDist 2 Page 25 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CARRUTHERS M 43 M Kirkmichael, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Granite Quarry Lab Isabella CARRUTHERS M 35 F Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife Thomas CARRUTHERS 11 M Carlaverock, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Agnes CARRUTHERS 8 F Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar James CARRUTHERS 6 M Kirkbean, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George CARRUTHERS 2 F Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son John CARRUTHERS 9 m M Dalbeattie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Old Historical Books on CD www.youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk Free old UK maps www.yourmapsonline.org.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.674 / Virus Database: 436 - Release Date: 02/05/2004

A William JOBLING "aged 52 of Great Unsworth" was buried in Washington parish on 7th June 1850 - presumably one of the victims. Dr D.W.Jopling dougandbunny@freenet.co.uk

I am sorry, Geoff. I can only tell you what it was described as in the old Times Newspaper where I saw it reported. The Times headline was "Fatal Colliery Explosion" (North & South Shields Gazette), under a heading of "News from South Shields". Further on in the article it goes on to say "The colliery of Little Usworth, near Washington, was on Wednesday last (June 5th 1850), the scene of one of those fearful casualties which are unfortunately too common in mining districts." Therefore I assume that you are correct in surmising that the link with South Shields is merely through the Gazette rather than being geographical. It goes on to describe the disaster in detail including the deaths of four pit ponies, the deaths of 11 men and 2 children and the injuries of the other men (who "are not expected to recover"). It states that not much damage appeared to have been done to the actual mine, and that: " A few hours after it happened a person not knowing the facts might have passed the spot without discovering that anything had been wrong." It remarks on the coincidence that it was exactly (to the very day apparently, according to the reporter - though I cannot verify this) that "Hebburn pit fired, when 33 individuals perished; and that on both occasions, the state of the atmosphere was similar, very close and sultry, and surcharged with the electric fluid." The article is numbered CS134906568 and is copyright 1850, The Times. I have a photocopy of the article. I also have a copy of another article from The Times detailing the 1839 disaster at St Hilda's Colliery, South Shields. (The Times, Tuesday, Jul 02, 1839; pg. 5; Issue 17083; col E) "Coal-Pit Explosion At South Shields.-Great Loss Of Life." (Details from the Tyne Pilot). I hope I have made myself clearer with this message and apologise if I caused confusion. I just thought someone might have an interest in one of the names from the list. Best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: <GNicresearch@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Re: Colliery disaster - place > In a message dated 01/05/2004 14:35:21 GMT Daylight Time, tobycat@cwgsy.net > writes: > > Forgot to say that the colliery where the disaster took place (in my > previous message to the list) was Little Usworth near Washington. > > Now I am confused! First you say it was a South Shields Colliery disaster, > then you say it was at Usworth, some nine miles from South Shields. Which is > correct and, if it is Usworth, where, other than its being reported in a > South Shields newspaper, does South Shields come into it? > . > Incidentally, the colliery in Little Usworth township was Usworth Colliery, > which did not officially close until c1970, though for its last few years it > was simply a man-access pit for the mining complex based on Wardley > Colliery, where all the coal was raised. The site is now part of an industrial > estate in Sulgrave Village of Washington. The disaster usually quoted in respect > of Usworth was the explosion of 1885, though there was indeed a "lesser" (!) > disaster in 1850, when the pit was only a few years old. For South Shields > (St Hilda's) Colliery, the shaft tower of which still stands as an industrial > monument, the usual disaster quoted is that of 1839, about which Doug Smith > published a booklet a few years ago, called "Killed by Candle". > . > Usworth was probably unique in the NE coalfield in that it was financed with > Jewish money. David Jonassohn, a Sunderland merchant, bought an estate in > Usworth, which included Usworth House, later known as Usworth Hall, in the > 1840s. He sunk Usworth Colliery more or less straight away, and ran it for > several years before selling it to the Bowes/Palmers company. Officially owned by > Bowes, at one time it had the brother of Sir Charles Mark Palmer as Colliery > Manager. In its latter days it was owned by the Washington Coal Company and > managed for them by an agent. In the nineteenth century Usworth had a > reputation for militancy and men from it were prominent in the formation of the > Durham Miners' Association. I have considerable information about Usworth > Colliery, about its history and about the disaster of 1885, which I gathered for > a talk I gave on the subject to Sunderland Antiquarians some five or six > years ago. Not only that, but only last night I was talking, in Usworth Club > (CIU, built n the site of the manager's house) with two ex-Usworth miners, one > disabled from a roof fall there and the other a retired Deputy Overman! > . > Geoff Nicholson > . > 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU > Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth > by THE local expert, working for YOU. > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > query board for Durham gen web > http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/cgi-bin/data/durham.cgi > >

THese names are also available on theDurham Mining Museum site http://www.dmm.org.uk/names/n1850-01.htm Regards Stan Mapstone

Forgot to say that the colliery where the disaster took place (in my previous message to the list) was Little Usworth near Washington.

I recently found a list of the men killed or injured in the above mining disaster. (Details came from The Times Newspaper, which itself had taken them from the North & South Shields Gazette): The following were killed; Thomas HALL, hewer, leaves a widow and one child Thomas HALL, hewer, leaves a widow and four children William NIXON, hewer, leaves a widow and one child John EVANS, hewer, leaves a widow in a state of pregnancy and one child William JOBLING, hewer, leaves a widow and 8 children George RAMSHAW, hewer, leaves a widow & 4 grown-up children Robert STOREY, hewer, leaves a widow and one child Robert PURDY, hewer leaves a widow but no family William PURDY, hewer, unmarried George GREEN, hewer, leaves a widow and one child Henry HOLLAND, hewer, unmarried George BLACKEY, trapper, a boy Thomas CLINK, putter, a boy. The following were severely burnt; William GASCOIGNE Luke SHANKS Andrew CLINT James GILROY The following were unharmed; William MOULD James GORDON May be of interest to someone! Didn't find any of my own (thankfully I suppose)! > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > U.K. PhoneDirectory > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/ > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ > >

In a message dated 01/05/2004 14:35:21 GMT Daylight Time, tobycat@cwgsy.net writes: Forgot to say that the colliery where the disaster took place (in my previous message to the list) was Little Usworth near Washington. Now I am confused! First you say it was a South Shields Colliery disaster, then you say it was at Usworth, some nine miles from South Shields. Which is correct and, if it is Usworth, where, other than its being reported in a South Shields newspaper, does South Shields come into it? . Incidentally, the colliery in Little Usworth township was Usworth Colliery, which did not officially close until c1970, though for its last few years it was simply a man-access pit for the mining complex based on Wardley Colliery, where all the coal was raised. The site is now part of an industrial estate in Sulgrave Village of Washington. The disaster usually quoted in respect of Usworth was the explosion of 1885, though there was indeed a "lesser" (!) disaster in 1850, when the pit was only a few years old. For South Shields (St Hilda's) Colliery, the shaft tower of which still stands as an industrial monument, the usual disaster quoted is that of 1839, about which Doug Smith published a booklet a few years ago, called "Killed by Candle". . Usworth was probably unique in the NE coalfield in that it was financed with Jewish money. David Jonassohn, a Sunderland merchant, bought an estate in Usworth, which included Usworth House, later known as Usworth Hall, in the 1840s. He sunk Usworth Colliery more or less straight away, and ran it for several years before selling it to the Bowes/Palmers company. Officially owned by Bowes, at one time it had the brother of Sir Charles Mark Palmer as Colliery Manager. In its latter days it was owned by the Washington Coal Company and managed for them by an agent. In the nineteenth century Usworth had a reputation for militancy and men from it were prominent in the formation of the Durham Miners' Association. I have considerable information about Usworth Colliery, about its history and about the disaster of 1885, which I gathered for a talk I gave on the subject to Sunderland Antiquarians some five or six years ago. Not only that, but only last night I was talking, in Usworth Club (CIU, built n the site of the manager's house) with two ex-Usworth miners, one disabled from a roof fall there and the other a retired Deputy Overman! . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

So sorry but I lost a lot of information on my computer and I had all the 1851 information that someone (forget the name of the person(s) sent me. I wondered if I can possibly ask for them to send to me again - please. Maria and George Wilcox and their children were Orpha, George and Tabitha. Thanks so much in advance and I do apologise for wasting your time Louise

george hindmarsh married mary ann newman on 24.7.1886 not 1881 as stated in previous message kitty

hi iam researching the family of stephen davison hindmarsh who married mary arkle they had a son george b 29.6.1862 at bedlington george married mary ann newman 24.7.1881 daughter of benjamin and mary newman nee grint all born norfolk england can anyone help me thanks kitty

Mike I found the baptism, on line, of Joseph in the Whitburn Baptisms http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/XWBN.html 27 Dec 1836 DIXON, Joseph; child of John and Mary. Other children: - 21 Nov 1830 DIXON, Rebekah; child of John and Mary 21 Oct 1832 DIXON, Ann; child of John and Mary 31 Aug 1834 DIXON, Jane; child of John and Mary There is no trace of a marriage of John and Mary on the Whitburn marriages: - http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/WBN.html If you wish to find the maiden surname of Margaret J. who married Joseph then I should purchase one of the birth certificates of their children. According to the 1881 Census, Thomas J Dixon was 3 months old and therefore born in Quarter Ending March 1881 in Sunderland District. I would write to The Registrar at South Shields, they are the most helpful people I have ever come across, giving the address and parents names that you know, and enclosing the fee applicable. South Tyneside 18 Barrington Street, South Shields, NE33 1AH. Tel: 0191 455 3915. There is a registration of a birth of a Roland Dixon on Freebmd http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl Births Mar 1870 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIXON Roland S. Shields 10a 642 This a reasonably unusual first name and is therefore a possibility if you wish to obtain a certificate directly from Southport GRO. If you are resident in Uk you can order on-line at: - cost £7 http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ If you live outside UK then details of how to order are: - http://www.statistics.gov.uk/registration/certe_w/fees.asp Happy hunting Heather J

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

I am trying to confirm and extend the following information: Joseph Dixon born December 1836?, Whitburn, Durham, baptised 27 December 1836. married Margaret J. ??? who was born about 1844. They had 13 children: Joseph John born about 1864 William H. born about 1865 Isabella Born about 1868 Mary F. born about 1869 Roland born about 1870 Charles born about 1873 Margaret A. born about 1875 Ralph H. born about 1876 Frederick born about 1878 Elizabeth H. born about 1879 Thomas J. born about 1881 Arthur H. born about 1883 George B. born about 1886 In 1881 the family lived in Front Street in Whitburn. He was a farmer of 41 acres. Can anyone please help fill in the details and possibly tell me who Joseph Dixon's parent were. Thank you. Mike.

In a message dated 01/05/2004 07:34:30 GMT Daylight Time, askx82@dsl.pipex.com writes: tell me who Joseph Dixon's parent were. . Mike: . They were called John and Mary. My database does not include the precise address, nor John's occupation, both of which will be given in the original record. . There are many possible marriages in the Whitburn district (ie Sunderland), but none at Whitburn itself. You might like to consider the following John Dixon marriages (date, bride, parish) . 1821 Mar 3 Mary Little, Jarrow *** 1823 Sep 28 Mary Stewart, Monkwearmouth *** 1824 May 13 Mary Lynn, Stanhope 1825 Feb 24 Mary Marshall, Sunderland *** 1828 --- -- Mary Willis, Lanchester 1829 Dec 14 Mary D Reed of Wolviston, Billingham 1830 Apr 14 Mary Dorothy Nelson, Chester le Street (John Dixon was of Durham St Nicholas parish) 1832 Sep 3 Mary Welch, Bishopwearmouth *** 1832 Nov 27 Mary Ann Good, Sunderland *** 1834 Aug 19 Mary Ann Patten, Stockton . I have marked those whch were fairly close to Whitburn with ***. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

I am interested in making contact with the family of Nicholas NATTRASS, b 1882 Langley Pk. He married Ethel JACKSON, my great aunt, in 1909 at Chester le Street and they lived at Sacriston. Nicholas died 14/1/1957 aged 75 (Sacriston). I believe Nicholas's grandfather was Joseph Nattrass, b about 1803 in Crook. Desperate to contact or find any information on any relatives of Nicholas and Ethel NATTRASS! Richard Merry Glenalta South Australia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.663 / Virus Database: 426 - Release Date: 20/04/2004

Hi Olwyn, Not sure whether we've exchanged e-mails before, but I have NATTRESS ancestors from around Byers Green, County Durham. Have you had any connections with this neck of the woods? Joseph NATTRESS b1812 Helmington Row, Durham - (married Ann SCORER b1815 Newfield, Durham). Their children were Mary b1837; Rebecca b1839; Thomas b1841; Jane b1844; Hannah b1848 and Ann b1851. It was the above Thomas who married my gg aunt Jane TODD b1844. His father Thomas was a farmer at Tod Hills, near Newfield. Regards... David Allan.

Hi Listers, Reposting my interests in the Weardale Nattrass of Blackcleugh and New Park House Emerson Jane wife of John Nattrass mar 1710 Bowman Mary wife of Matthew Nattrass of New park house mar 1755 Many thanks Olwyn

So sorry but I lost a lot of information on my computer and I had all the 1851 information that someone (forget the name of the person(s) sent me. I wondered if I can possibly ask for them to send to me again - please. Maria and George Wilcox and their children were Orpha, George and Tabitha. Thanks so much in advance and I do apologise for wasting your time Louise

In message <000901c42dc0$6efa88a0$637e81c3@janetbuc>, Jan Buck <janet.buck@telco4u.net> writes >I have just joined this list and wondered if S.K.S. would do a lookup on the >1891 census for me please. > >I am researching the BUCK family name and having problems with my husband's >grandfather. On the 1901 census he states he was born in Walworth, which >would have been 1870/1871. My problem is: was he born in Walworth near >Cleveland? His marriage certificate gives his father's name as GEORGE BUCK >deceased, this was in 1899 in London. If I could determine whether he was >born in Walworth Cleveland or Walworth Surrey then my problem would be that >much easier to solve. > >Many thanks, >Jan, Dymchurch, Kent. > Hello Jan, There's this one in 1881, and no William BUCK born Durham between 1865-1875 who is a better match. Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Geo. BUCK Head M Male 44 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Boot Binder Mary A. BUCK Wife M Female 44 Walworth, Surrey, England Charles BUCK Son U Male 21 Walworth, Surrey, England Boot Finisher Geo. BUCK Son Male 20 Walworth, Surrey, England Boot Finisher William BUCK Son Male 11 Walworth, Surrey, England Scholar Catherine BUCK Daur Female 7 Walworth, Surrey, England Scholar ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling 4 Finnimores Pl Census Place Southwark St John Horsleydown, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341126 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0557 / 49 Page Number 12 Does the father's occupation match that given on William's marriage certificate? Regards, -- Helen Oram