Hello Listers After a break I am returning to the list in the hope that SKP can do a 1861 lookup for me. The family I need to find were living in Sunderland around this time Henry KERR born Dumfries about 1832 Abagail KERR born Stapleton Cumberland about 1830 Elizabeth KERR born Sunderland about 1859 John Henry KERR born Sunderland 1860 By 1881 the family had moved to Newchurch , Lancashire I would really appreciate any help you can give me as the family have proved very difficult to research Henry and Abagail were my gtgtgrandparents and John Henry was my gtgrandfather. Thanks in advance and if anyone connects to this family I would love to hear from you and share my info with you. Kind Regards Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release Date: 10/05/2004

I am helping with the 1891 transcriptions and have reached the pages for Sedgefield Lunatic Assylum. Most of the males on the list have occupations and seem to be employed. Can any one with some local knowledge tell me if the inmates were resident all the time or were allowed out to work. Is there any literature avaliable; however on the latter question I live in Brisbane so would need information on publishers etc. I bought some very good books in the library at the Hartlepool Maratime Feature in '97and have sent to UK for many more so its not a great problem. I grew up in the area (Wingate born) and I heard all the "urban legends" about the place. Can any one help me please. Annie

In a message dated 14/05/2004 08:36:25 GMT Daylight Time, lucyribbons@optusnet.com.au writes: I am helping with the 1891 transcriptions and have reached the pages for Sedgefield Lunatic Assylum. Most of the males on the list have occupations and seem to be employed. Can any one with some local knowledge tell me if the inmates were resident all the time or were allowed out to work. I don't have any specialist knowledge of that institution, but I would have expected that the inmates would have been kept permanently within the building/grounds, especially at that time. I would class their "occupations" as being like those of patients in a hospital, or prisoners within a prison. That is, they will be their occupations the last time they worked before entering the institution. They would not necessarily have been pursuing that occupation at the time of the census and indeed in this case I would say it would be most unlikely. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

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Is there anyone on the list who can tell me where I could find a place by the name of Low Onsleap c1850? I think nr Satley maybe. Regards, Vicki

Hello again, Is it possible that someone has a directory for approx 1864? I am looking for FRANCIS (HENRY) RUTHERFORD, grocer, High Street, Gateshead. I have tried the Historical Directories site but can not find any thing there. Thanks Pat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 12/05/04

<<<<In a message dated 13/05/2004 15:35:08 GMT Daylight Time, homemead@evemail.net writes: Please could SKS look for John James LEIGHTON, master mariner or shipwright for me on the 1851 census. He was married in Bishopwearmouth in 1849 to Elizabeth and he should be about 25 years old.>>>>> Hi Sue, I don't know if it helps but there is this family in the Bishopwearmouth 1851 Census; John Jas. Leighton, hof, 52, Master Mariner, Gateshead Fell. Jane Leighton, w. 51; Jane W. Leighton, daughter, 20. Joseph Leighton, son, 17, printers app. Robert H. Leighton, son, 15, joiners app. Ralph Leighton, son, 12, errand boy. Mary Ann Leighton, daughter, 8, scholar. Regards Stan Mapstone

Please could SKS look for John James LEIGHTON, master mariner or shipwright for me on the 1851 census. He was married in Bishopwearmouth in 1849 to Elizabeth and he should be about 25 years old. Thankyou Sue

Hi Vicki > Is there anyone on the list who can tell me where I could find a place by > the name of Low Onsleap c1850? I think nr Satley maybe. Possibly a spelling variant of Low Houselop, about 2 miles SW of Satley, alongside Houselop Beck. (Houseslip on mid-19C OS maps) Melvyn

Pat In the 1850 Ward's Directory ( Your Old Books & Maps) there is no Rutherford on High St. There are 6 in Gateshead. There is however, Rutherford Rbt. Quarry field. Perhaps his father? David. Old Historical Books on CD www.youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk Free old UK maps www.yourmapsonline.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: twohills [mailto:twohills@bigpond.com] > Sent: 13 May 2004 05:48 > To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ENG-DUR] Directories > > Hello again, > Is it possible that someone has a directory for approx 1864? I am looking > for FRANCIS (HENRY) RUTHERFORD, grocer, High Street, Gateshead. > I have tried the Historical Directories site but can not find any thing > there. > Thanks > Pat > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 12/05/04 > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 12/05/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.683 / Virus Database: 445 - Release Date: 12/05/2004

I am searching for my paternal grandfather, Thomas DAVIS, born about 1830, who turned up in Adelaide, Australia at his second marriage in 1878. He married Ellen Jane JAMES. I do not know where Thomas was born, his marriage certificate did not say, but it did say his father name was Charles DAVIS. Ellen died in 1883. I do not know anything about his first marriage or if there are any children. I suspect that he married a third time. Do you have a missing Thomas DAVIS with a father Charles? Regards Ernie Davis, Manly, Australia ernied1@bigpond.com

In a message dated 13/05/2004 09:47:48 GMT Daylight Time, conlong@lineone.net writes: > Is there anyone on the list who can tell me where I could find a place by > the name of Low Onsleap c1850? I think nr Satley maybe. Possibly a spelling variant of Low Houselop, about 2 miles SW of Satley, alongside Houselop Beck. (Houseslip on mid-19C OS maps) . Yes, and "Houselop" is not a reference to domestic vermin, but a likely corruption of "Horsleyhope". . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

In a message dated 13/05/2004 05:48:13 GMT Daylight Time, twohills@bigpond.com writes: Is it possible that someone has a directory for approx 1864? I am looking for FRANCIS (HENRY) RUTHERFORD, grocer, High Street, Gateshead. I have tried the Historical Directories site but can not find any thing there. . For the most comprehensive list of local Trades Directories I have ever seen, see the series of articles by Adam Bunting in the Journal of the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society some four or five years ago. Those articles, together with hundreds of other fascinating and useful ones, are all included on the CD of the first 100 issues of that Journal, available from the NDFHS, 2nd Floor, Bolbec Hall, Westgate Road, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 2SE. See their web-site _www.ndfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ndfhs.org.uk) for details and prices. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hello all I would like to thank all those that responded to my request for info re- Whitworth. What a wonderful response. The only trouble is, I felt so inadequate. I did look at some of the sites suggested, but I didn't find anything. I think, though, that I allowed the fact that my map book didn't include a Durham Whitworth to cloud my judgement. After receiving your replies, I tried again and (you've guessed it) I found the answer. In fact the street in question came up on Streetmap as being in Spennymoor and this fitted what I would have expected when I started out on this. I am not terribly au fait with County Durham and nor do I have access to local records and so I do feel rather ignorant about places. Although as a kid I used to spend summers in Durham, I did not know much more than Oakenshaw and Willington and the occasional trip to Durham City and all three of those places are not as they were when I was a kid and I found it hard to recognise them in later years. I did live in Durham City for a couple of years in the 1960s and even then I didn't know much more than how to get to Roker (the beach, not the football ground), Finchale Abbey and Weardale. I did visit various places playing football, but we were bussed in and out and I never really became familiar with any of them. Actually when I put Whitworth into Streetmap it came up with a Whitworth nowhere near what Durham Record Office's map showed as Whitworth Parish, but Whitworth Hall did. This is the sort of thing that confuses we "foreigners". I am fairly au fait with the part of Wales that I came from and with East London/Metropolitan Essex, where I worked/live. For instance I once offered to do look ups for areas round here, one of which was called Chadwell Heath. There is a Chadwell some miles away in Essex, but someone asked me about Shadwell and this is yet another place several miles the other way. No wonder some of us get confused about places that we are not familiar with. Oh well, that's my not very good explanation of why I am such an idiot. all the best, David W

Hello again, Sorry, should have said the year I am interested in is 1872 Pat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 11/05/04

Hello All, Can some one please tell me if Clavering Street, is any where close by Park Lane? I am trying to tie my Grandfather Brown to these two addresses, I have just received his birth certificate which states address at time of birth as 14 Clavering Street. Gateshead I also have a railway pension application with almost the same details except for the place of birth he states as being Park Lane. Gateshead. Thanks for any help Pat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.682 / Virus Database: 444 - Release Date: 11/05/04

In a message dated 12/05/2004 09:46:40 GMT Daylight Time, clspegal@povn.com writes: 1)I found a reference to Robert Aitken- Cottage Tavern, 5 Hendon Rd. Sunderland in the 1910-1920 Durham directory, would there be any way to find out more about him and/or the tavern?? I'd like to find out if there's any connection to my Robert Aitken line as I've been told they had a pub. Any suggestions would be welcome, thank you. . Sunderland City Library, 28/30 Fawcett Street, Sunderland SR1 1RE have collections of information and photographs of many old pubs of the City. They also have a good collection of Directories which may help you follow through the entries from one year to the next. Durham County Record Office cerrtainly have a full set of The Durham Directory on their open bookshelves. Tyne and Wear Archives, Blandford House, Blandford Suare, Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 4JA may also have information, especially of the Iicensing courts. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

In a message dated 12/05/2004 06:27:30 GMT Daylight Time, twohills@bigpond.com writes: Hello All, Can some one please tell me if Clavering Street, is any where close by Park Lane? I am trying to tie my Grandfather Brown to these two addresses, I have just received his birth certificate which states address at time of birth as 14 Clavering Street. Gateshead I also have a railway pension application with almost the same details except for the place of birth he states as being Park Lane. Gateshead. Thanks for any help Pat . Pat: . Clavering Steet was a residential street of red-brick terrace houses immediately north of Park Lane in Gateshead. It is now long-demolished and hte site mainly occupied by flats of six or seven stories. Park Lane, on the other hand, still survives but is now, I suppose, a shopping street. I say "I suppose" because when the Felling by-pass was constructed in the late 1950s, the 50 yards or so that was left of that part of Park Lane became the main road linking it to Gateshead High Street, and so was widened drastically (causing it to take in a lot of what was originally Clavering Street) and lined with poor-quality 1950s commercial buildings. It is now effectively an appendage of High Street. I believe that the beginning of the Felling by-pass - about naother 50 yards leading to a railway fly-over - is also officialy Park Lane, but that has no buildings on it at all. There is one factory but I doubt whether its address is Park Lane as it has entrances elsewhere. . The only caution I would give as to that explanation is that a few miles to the west, in Dunston, there was a small Square called Clavering Square. It was almost obliterated by the construction of the A1 Gateshead Western by-pass in the 1970s but next to it, and given a new lease of life by that new road, as it is the main link from Dunston to one of the new junctions, is Park Terrace. I realise you asked about a Street and a Lane and these are a Square and a Terrace, but the Clavering bit and the Park bit are the same and they are adjacent in both cases! . Geoiff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

<<<<In a message dated 12/05/2004 09:46:40 GMT Daylight Time, clspegal@povn.com writes: 1)I found a reference to Robert Aitken- Cottage Tavern, 5 Hendon Rd. Sunderland in the 1910-1920 Durham directory,>>>> I think you will find it is 5 EAST Hendon Road. This is important as there was also a Cottage Tavern in Hendon Rd. There is a photograph of the Cottage Tavern in East Hendon Rd. in Old Pubs of Sunderland Volume 2. Regards Stan Mapstone

1)I found a reference to Robert Aitken- Cottage Tavern, 5 Hendon Rd. Sunderland in the 1910-1920 Durham directory, would there be any way to find out more about him and/or the tavern?? I'd like to find out if there's any connection to my Robert Aitken line as I've been told they had a pub. Any suggestions would be welcome, thank you. 2)Would anyone have access to the 1861 or 1871 censuses to see if this family is still in Gateshead??? I have no clue when they died. Robert Aitkin , head, 41, saddler, Cumberland, Dilston *( I wonder should this be Cumberland, Dalston OR Northumberland, Dilston?)? Ann, wife, 43, Cumberland, Talkin Emma, dau. 10, scholar, Newcastle upon Tyen Mary, dau., 7, scholar, Gateshead Robert, son, 3, Gateshead Jane E., dau. 1, Gateshead any help on these would be much appreciated!! thank you !! Lisa