The Official Classification of Occupations for the 1931 Census lists:- Hind (Farm Foreman) Hind (Farm Labourer) Hind (In charge of cattle) Hind (In charge of horses) Hind (General work on farm) David -- Old Historical Books on CD www.youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk Free old UK maps www.yourmapsonline.org.uk

Ruby, Your George Robinson is still living in the same abode on Clayton Street with his mother Isabella, widow, and brother John. Both boys are coal miners. All three it states here were born in Ryton. If you would like a copy of the page email me off line and I will send it. Janis

In a message dated 16/05/2004 21:57:38 GMT Daylight Time, twohills@bigpond.com writes: If anyone has access to the 1871 census for Durham (is it available as yet?) . It has been available to the public at the PRO (as it was then) and locally on microfilm since 2 January 1972. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

From The 1870 American Dictionary of the English Language by Noah Webster LL.D. Hind , n ( O. Eng. & Scot. hyne, hine, A S Hine, hina, with of sufffixed; A S Hina man, a farmer.) 1. A domestic; a servant. 2 A peasant; a rustic; a country man; a swain; a boor; or a husbandman's servant. William -- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur & Pauline Kennedy" <akpak@waitrose.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Occupation: Hind > I asked: > > > Can anyone tell me, please, what hind would have meant in a Durham > context? > > Geoff Nicholson <GNicresearch@aol.com> replied: > > > You are correct in that a hind was a farm labourer. It is my > understanding > > that the requirement to provide female labour as well as his own was > Scottish > > practice, and probably also applicable in the northern part of > > Northumberland: I don't think that was necessary in southern Co Durham. > > Thanks for the help, > Arthur > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html >

In a message dated 16/05/2004 21:41:52 GMT Daylight Time, bill.stratton@ns.sympatico.ca writes: From The 1870 American Dictionary of the English Language by Noah Webster LL.D. Hind , n ( O. Eng. & Scot. hyne, hine, A S Hine, hina, with of sufffixed; A S Hina man, a farmer.) 1. A domestic; a servant. 2 A peasant; a rustic; a country man; a swain; a boor; or a husbandman's servant. . For a more "on the spot", and therefore probably more accurate, definition, see the note appended by the enumerator to the 1851 census of - I think - Ford, Northumberland (at least it was somewhere in Glendale). For the benefit presumably of the Registrar who would be checking his work he defined the difference between a hind, a spade hind and a bondager. The full text of the note was published in the Journal of the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society, Vol 1 No 1 in October 1975, which has been re-published on the NDFHS CD-ROM of the first 100 issues of the Journal. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Joyce, There are no matches for these two in Newburn. Could you give us a bit more information - like approximate ages and places of birth. Then we might have more success - with 84 James Nicholson's and 170+ Elizabeth's it's too many to check! Anne On 16 May 2004, at 07:45, leslie lawrence wrote: > Could anyone please help with a 1891 Lookup for James > Nicholson,Daughter Elizabeth Nicholson,in Newburn. > Joyce > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk >

I asked: > Can anyone tell me, please, what hind would have meant in a Durham context? Geoff Nicholson <GNicresearch@aol.com> replied: > You are correct in that a hind was a farm labourer. It is my understanding > that the requirement to provide female labour as well as his own was Scottish > practice, and probably also applicable in the northern part of > Northumberland: I don't think that was necessary in southern Co Durham. Thanks for the help, Arthur

I asked: > I've found a baptism entry at Aycliffe (1821), where the family is said to > be of "Rickland Mill". Was this a real place, or would it be an alternative > version (or error) for Ricknall Mill, a little to the north? Geoff Nicholson <GNicresearch@aol.com> replied: > At that period spelling did not matter. Only pronunciation mattered. So > yes, it was the same place. Thanks for the local expert guidance - though the only way I can think of "Ricknall" and "Rickland" sounding the same is with severe mumbling! Arthur

I have a William Nelson married to a lady called Mildred. ? They have a son called George Christened at Holy Trinity Church Murton Co Durham. On the 8/12/1842. can someone please check the 1851 Census for this family . As this is all the info I have on them, I have who george married, but no brothers or sisters for him Thanking you Kitty Cusick IN Tasmania

Could anyone please help with a 1891 Lookup for James Nicholson,Daughter Elizabeth Nicholson,in Newburn. Joyce

In a message dated 16/05/2004 04:15:35 GMT Daylight Time, akpak@waitrose.com writes: Old occupation websites and Pauline Saul's "Tracing your Ancestors - the A-Z Guide" define a hind as a farm labourer, though Chamber's Dictionary mentions that he would have lived in a tied cottage and been required to provide a female servant to work on the farm. However, the entry is a little unclear, and it's possible that this part refers to Scottish law and custom. Can anyone tell me, please, what hind would have meant in a Durham context? . You are correct in that a hind was a farm labourer. It is my understanding that the requirement to provide female labour as well as his own was Scottish practice, and probably also applicable in the northern part of Northumberland: I don't think that was necessary in southern Co Durham. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

I am researching my family tree, My great grandfather Peter Mitchell Robbie had three brothers and one sister, although they were all born in Aberdeen, Scotland they came to live in Durham and Northumberland with their Father Alexander Robbie and Mother Ann Jolly Badenoch. I think probably early 1870's. as they then had another daughter named Isabella Badenoch Robbie in 1873 in Hebburn, Durham. Alexander and Ann Robbie's other three sons names were James Badenoch Robbie, Alexander Robbie, and John Robbie. They also had a daughter named Ann Jolly Robbie. James Badenoch Robbie married Elizabeth Anderson November 23, 1884 At st, Paul's Parish Church, Jarrow, Durham, England. In the 1901 census James and Elizabeth Robbie were living at I think I have spelt the name of the street correctly 136, Ayton Street, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne, England. They had at least 4 children? Their names were Isabella Robbie born about 1890 in Canning Town, Essex, England. Elizabeth Robbie born about 1893 in Jarrow, Durham, England. Alexander Robbie born about 1897 in Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne, James Robbie born about 1900 in Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne. Alexander Robbie son of Alexander Robbie and Ann Jolly Badenoch Married Kate Kipling December 31, 1890 at St, John Parish Church, Hebburn, Durham, England. They were living at 85, Lamb Street, Walker, Northumberland, England. In 1901 census. They had at least 2 children. Ethel Robbie born about 1892 in North Walker, Northumberland, England. Hubert Alexander Robbie born about April 1900 in North Walker, Northumberland, England. John Robbie son of Alexander Robbie and Ann Jolly Badenoch Married Margaret ? about 1892? They were living at 98, Dee Street, Jarrow, Durham, England. In the 1901 census. They had at least 4 children. Their names were John Alexander Robbie born about 1892 Jarrow, Durham, England. Francis Robbie born about 1895 Jarrow, Durham, England. Margaret Robbie born about 1897 Jarrow, Durham, England. Alexander Robbie born between 1899-1900 Jarrow, Durham, England. Would like to know any information on Ann Jolly Robbie after 1881? Also any information on Isabella Badenoch Robbie after 1881? I am not sure but Isabella Badenoch Robbie could have married ? Joseph Ellwood Potts in July, August or September 1893 Jarrow, South Shields, Durham, England. Alexander Robbie and Ann Jolly Robbie maiden name Badenoch were living at 18, Bell Street, Hebburn, Durham, England. In the 1901 census. The night of the 1901 census they had their three grandsons with them. Their names were John Robbie born about 1894 in Durham, Joseph Robbie born about 1895 in Shotley, Durham. William Robbie born between 1896-1897 in Gateshead, Durham. I think William Robbie could be the William Badenoch Robbie born in Gateshead, his parents could possibly be James Badenoch Robbie and Elizabeth Anderson'' son? I am not sure who John and Joseph Robbie's parents were though? If there is someone who knows any information on these Robbie Families please get in touch with me. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Sincerely Mrs Pamela J Groves.

Hi , I thought I'd post an article I saw in a newspaper I read recently. Taken from The Durham Chronicle, on Friday June 22nd 1900. Hetton - Departure of Mr J. REAY. On Friday of last week, Mr Joseph REAY, of Hetton (son of the late Mr Wm. REAY, who held an important position under the the Hetton coal company) received a very hearty send off on the occasion of his departure for South Africa. Mr Reay has been very popular locally, and has left with the good wishes of a ver large number of friends, from whom hehas received many handsome presents. On leaving to join the train at Leamside Station, Mr REAY was heartily cheered by a large crowd, and he was accompanied by three vehicles full of friends to the Station. He sailed by the S.S. SAXON on Saturday. ----------------------------------- Hope this helps someone!! Thought this was good having the date and the name of the ship he left on! And where he went to as well! Wish it was that easy all the time!!! Jan Boyes

I've found some baptism entries at Bishopton (1825 & 1829) where the father's occupation is given as Hind. Earlier and later entries describe him as a Labourer. Old occupation websites and Pauline Saul's "Tracing your Ancestors - the A-Z Guide" define a hind as a farm labourer, though Chamber's Dictionary mentions that he would have lived in a tied cottage and been required to provide a female servant to work on the farm. However, the entry is a little unclear, and it's possible that this part refers to Scottish law and custom. Can anyone tell me, please, what hind would have meant in a Durham context? Thanks, Arthur Kennedy

Can anyone help with a location, please? I've found a baptism entry at Aycliffe (1821), where the family is said to be of "Rickland Mill". Was this a real place, or would it be an alternative version (or error) for Ricknall Mill, a little to the north? I'm not very familiar with the area, and would be grateful for any help on this. Arthur Kennedy

In a message dated 15/05/2004 18:11:23 GMT Daylight Time, akpak@waitrose.com writes: I've found a baptism entry at Aycliffe (1821), where the family is said to be of "Rickland Mill". Was this a real place, or would it be an alternative version (or error) for Ricknall Mill, a little to the north? At that period spelling did not matter. Only pronunciation mattered. So yes, it was the same place. . Geoff Nicholson . 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research in depth by THE local expert, working for YOU.

> Sorry, I should have asked the list to check for Nicholas Routledge & > family in the Low Houselop area, ......... Vicki, The following is from the 1891 census: Appleton upon Wiske, Yorkshire Irving House Richard Routledge Head Married 42 Farmer Yorkshire West Rounton Margaret Routledge Wife Married 38 Yorkshire Welbury Edith M Routledge Daughter 15 Yorkshire Welbury Richard Routledge Son Single 14 Scholar Durham Bolam John M Routledge Son 12 Scholar Durham Bolam Margaret J Routledge Daughter 10 Scholar Durham Bolam Ellen M Routledge Daughter 8 Scholar Durham Bolam Elizabeth E Routledge Daughter 6 Scholar Yorkshire Appleton Wiske Arthur H Routledge Son 4 Yorkshire Appleton Wiske Thomas S Routledge 2 Yorkshire Appleton Wiske I know that Bolam is south of Bishop Auckland and Satley is north but there may be a connection with the children's place of birth both being in Durham, . Ken

Please could someone with the 1891 census index for West Durham, look-up "William James Holmes" born 1879 Durham, Father "Benjamin Holmes" Born Yorkshire 40 , Mother "Elizabeth Holmes" Born Durham 40 In 1881 they were living at "Nutters Building" Westerton, Durham Thankyou Carole

Hello Listers Thanks to the kind person who did a 1861 lookup for me I have at last found my family! Now I need to ask another favour! If SKP could look for them on the 1871 to clarify the wifes name for me or if she is still alive. The 61 showed her as Jane KERR born Scotland and in 1881 she was Abagail born Cumberland. If I can find them on the 71 this may help. In 61 they were living at 40 Sans Street, Sunderland Thanks again Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 14/05/2004

-----Original Message----- From: christine [mailto:christine1945@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 14 May 2004 17:15 To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR] 1861 lookup PLEASE Hello Listers After a break I am returning to the list in the hope that SKP can do a 1861 lookup for me. The family I need to find were living in Sunderland around this time Henry KERR born Dumfries about 1832 Abagail KERR born Stapleton Cumberland about 1830 Elizabeth KERR born Sunderland about 1859 John Henry KERR born Sunderland 1860 Hi Christine Could this be the family? Henry KERR Head Married 28 Printer Compositor Scotland Jane Wife Married 28 Scotland Marion Daug 7 Durham, Sunderland Henrietta Daug 5 Durham, Sunderland Elizabeth Daug 2 Durham, Sunderland John Henry Son 5mths Durham, Sunderland Address: 40 Sans Street Ref: RG9/3775 Folio 91 Page 40 & Folio 92 Page 41 If you would like a copy of the page, please contact me direct. Regards Sue Sunderland