Dear Anne There is a web site and maybe you could ask them for help Christine http://willington-on-line.com/ ---- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hamilton" <annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:18 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Place name help please - Esten? Durham > Hi, > > Wonder if anyone can help with this place name please? It was copied from a 1908 newspaper cutting and passed on to me. But I cannot find it on multimap or anywhere else so think it might have been written incorrectly - unless it's the name of a house. > > Esten - would probably have been near the Crook & Billy Row, Fir Tree, Willington area. > > Many thanks for any suggestions. > Regards > Anne > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting! If you do not like or agree with something on the list then your options are:(1)Simply 'delete' the relevant message(s)(2)'reply to that mail off list to the sender only'(3)unsubscribe' from the list! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 25/06/2004

Hi, Wonder if anyone can help with this place name please? It was copied from a 1908 newspaper cutting and passed on to me. But I cannot find it on multimap or anywhere else so think it might have been written incorrectly - unless it's the name of a house. Esten - would probably have been near the Crook & Billy Row, Fir Tree, Willington area. Many thanks for any suggestions. Regards Anne

Thanks again Stan. I had not seen the second site. Regards, Val

See http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebmethodist Methodist churches do not have to deposit their registers with Record Offices and there are many gaps in our collections. Some registers do not survive while others are still in the care of local ministers. For each circuit or church there is detailed information on the availability of registers and indexes. Stanhope Primitive Methodist Circuit Baptisms January 1840 October 1909 Banns No Registers Deposited / No Indexes Marriages April 1942 October 1966 Burials No Registers Deposited / No Indexes Also see http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/UserGuides/03_Methodst.html Regards Stan Mapstone

Thanks Helen. I have now contacted Hartlepool Library, who were really helpful, and are willing to do a look-up in the Hartlepool newspaper of 1910. They asked for details in writing. Many thanks to everyone on the list who responded. Roger Quick From: Helen Oram Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Hartlepool Newspaper 1910? Isabella Young >I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me how I can access a >Hartlepool newspaper from 1910. > >Isabella Young aged 6 was killed in a motor-car on 2.9.1910 >near Cameron Hospital, West Hartlepool. Hello Roger, You could try contacting the reference section of Hartlepool library. They have a newspaper collection. Here are the contact details, and more information Alternatively, if you live near London, the British Library at Colindale houses newspapers.

Hi, I have several query's that I hope someone will be kind enough to help me with : Would a member of a Primitive Methodist congregation have kept a shop selling alcohol? (I thought they were Baptists / Weslyans.) I find that the Primitive Methodist churches seldom had graveyards of their own and folk were buried in nearby graveyards belonging to other denominations. If that is the case, were their burials recorded and by whom? I would greatly appreciate any help, Regards Val Speed

In message <20040625132656.23338.qmail@web53108.mail.yahoo.com>, Roger Quick <roger@walkerquick.com> writes >I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me how I can access a >Hartlepool newspaper from 1910. > >Isabella Young aged 6 was killed in a motor-car accident on 2.9.1910 >near Cameron Hospital, West Hartlepool. > >One of her family, now very elderly, is anxious to know something >more of the circumstances of the little girl's death, and a report of >the accident or an obituary would really help. > >Many thanks. > >Roger Quick Hello Roger, You could try contacting the reference section of Hartlepool library. They have a newspaper collection. Here are the contact details, and more information <http://www.publiclibrary.org.uk/hartlepool/> Alternatively, if you live near London, the British Library at Colindale houses newspapers. There is a catalogue of their holdings at <http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html> Regards, -- Helen Oram

I would be very grateful if anyone could tell me how I can access a Hartlepool newspaper from 1910. Isabella Young aged 6 was killed in a motor-car accident on 2.9.1910 near Cameron Hospital, West Hartlepool. One of her family, now very elderly, is anxious to know something more of the circumstances of the little girl's death, and a report of the accident or an obituary would really help. Many thanks. Roger Quick ENG-DURHAM-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 ENG-DURHAM-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 205 Today's Topics: #1 1851 Census JACKSON Witton Gilbert ["Richard & Kay Merry" Administrivia: To post messages should be sent to ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from ENG-DURHAM-D, send a message to ENG-DURHAM-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the ENG-DURHAM-D list administrator, send mail to ENG-DURHAM-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:13:55 +0930 From: "Richard & Kay Merry" To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1851 Census JACKSON Witton Gilbert I would be very happy if anyone who has access to the 1851 census for Witton Gilbert could look up the following Jacksons: JACKSON John and Jane Folio 342 JACKSON Hannah, George and Chrispeth Folio 362 JACKSON George, Elizabeth Margaret and Elizabeth Folio 362 JOCKSON (?) John and Jane Folio 365 and any other Jacksons they might come across. I would particularly like to know where they were born, street address and occupations. TIA Richard Merry Glenalta South Australia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 18/06/2004

I would be very happy if anyone who has access to the 1851 census for Witton Gilbert could look up the following Jacksons: JACKSON John and Jane Folio 342 JACKSON Hannah, George and Chrispeth Folio 362 JACKSON George, Elizabeth Margaret and Elizabeth Folio 362 JOCKSON (?) John and Jane Folio 365 and any other Jacksons they might come across. I would particularly like to know where they were born, street address and occupations. TIA Richard Merry Glenalta South Australia --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.708 / Virus Database: 464 - Release Date: 18/06/2004

Hi All For longer than I care to remember, I have been trying to find the baptism or origins of Ralph MUSGRAVE, born c.1695. He first appears in Bishopton DUR, when he marries Rebecca AUDERSON in 1716. He is termed "of Elstob"at the time of the birth of their first child in October of the same year, but the baptism takes place in Great Stainton. By 1723 the family is in Aycliffe, but when he dies in 1758 Ralph is buried back in Bishopton. I know there are MUSGRAVEs recorded in North Yorkshire, but there is no sign of him on FamilySearch. Anyone got a Ralph M going spare? Ruth Appleby Basse Normandie, France La.Retraite@tiscali.fr

Hi Ruby There are 35 George HERRON's on the 1891 census and 62 George HERON's. None of them appear to be either resident or born in Chopwell though. If you give me an idea of his age ..his wife.. or his parents..I could search again. Best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruby Mole" <rmole@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:18 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] 1891 Census > > Hello Listers > > Could SKS look up an address for me. > > 38 Clayton Terrace, Chopwell > I'm hoping to find George HERRON and family > > Many thanks > Ruby Mole > Essex UK > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/04 > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk > >

-----Original Message----- From: Ruby Mole Hello Listers Could SKS look up an address for me. 38 Clayton Terrace, Chopwell I'm hoping to find George HERRON and family Hi Ruby Just checked and sorry no George Herron. Name of family was HANDYSIDE Sue

Hello Listers Could SKS look up an address for me. 38 Clayton Terrace, Chopwell I'm hoping to find George HERRON and family Many thanks Ruby Mole Essex UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/04

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission has the following information: Charles YATES, leading seaman Regt. - Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve Died aged 22 on 6th May 1917. Service no: KP/187 Awarded the DSM Son of Mr & Mrs YATES of Yorkshire, husband of Mrs. WEBB (formerly YATES) of 62 Gipsy Hill, Upper Norwood, London. Grave or memorial ref D1 Ste Catherine British Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France. See www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=50827 Best wishes Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] YATES - Burnhope > The website about WW1 the marines who wre known as 'Kitcheners Marines' at: > http://freespace.virgin.net/jack.clegg/kitchener.htm refers to a Charles > Yates, born 11 July 1894 at Burnhope, Durham. > > Does anyone know anything about Charles. I am particularly interested in > information about his wife Rose. The address given for Charles and Rose > during WW1 was Upper Norwood, London. > > David Railton > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > A-Z of BRITISH GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > by Dr Ashton Emery > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/EmeryPaper.html > >

The website about WW1 the marines who wre known as 'Kitcheners Marines' at: http://freespace.virgin.net/jack.clegg/kitchener.htm refers to a Charles Yates, born 11 July 1894 at Burnhope, Durham. Does anyone know anything about Charles. I am particularly interested in information about his wife Rose. The address given for Charles and Rose during WW1 was Upper Norwood, London. David Railton

Can anyone look this family up in 1861 Census? Thanks from Michigan Jan 1871RG10/4989 Pensher Stables, Shiney Row, Painshaw William Hall 49 (1822) Coal Miner Crake Hall Yorkshire Ann age 48 (1823) Bolan, Northumberland George age 21 (1850) Gainsforth Coal Miner John age 20 Coal (1851) Gainsforth Miner William age 18 ( 1852/1853) Hunton, Yorkshire Coal Miner Thomas 15 ( 1855)Coal Miner ThornelyYorkshire Robert 10 (1861)Scholar Carville Margaret Miller 17 Domestic Servant Felling

Many thanks to everyone who responded to my query. Especially to Helen and Anne who both came up with the same thought. I checked it out with mum-in-law and she has confirmed that HERRON is another surname, she just wasn't too sure whereabouts or when they figured. As she says she wasn't too bothered about her own roots when young so didnt't pay too much attention with surnames. I would never had thought of checking out another surname. I can see how due to handwriting styles names can be confused and transcribed incorrectly. I also learned a few other possiblities which I will bear in mind as a progress with my research just in case. Kindest regards Ruby Mole Essex UK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.707 / Virus Database: 463 - Release Date: 15/06/04

Quite by chance, I found my Gt Gt Grandfather's elder brother ^^Stephen PALMER living with his married daughter and her family in South Shields on the 1881 Census: RG11 Piece 5020 Folio 8 Page 12 King Street House & Shop, South Shields, Durham Andrew WEATHERSON Head M 43 Boot & Shoe Dealer Northumberland **Elizabeth Wife M 44 bn. Suffolk Robert Son 15 bn Nbl Stephen L. Son 13 bn Nbl Elizabeth A. Dau. 11 bn Nbl Isabella A. dau. 6 bn So.Shields, Dur. ^^Stephen PALMER, Father In Law W 67 Millwright [BS], Spain After a bit of detective work on 1837Online, I found that the surname was in fact, WEATHERSTON. Andrew & Elizabeth's marriage certificate presents more questions than answers: Andrew WEATHERSTON, Post Messenger and Shoemaker of Norham, Berwick on Tweed, married **Elizabeth PALMER, Nurse, of Wooperton, Glendale, on 15 November 1864 at the United Presbyterian Church, Norham in the District of Berwick. Andrew's father was Robert WEATHERSTON, occup. Shoemaker; Elizabeth's father, ^^Stephen PALMER's occupation was given as"Engineer in Agricultural Implement factory". There is no indication if he was present at the marriage as he didn't sign the register. To regress a little - ^^Stephen PALMER was born in Portugal, son of Stephen PALMER, Colour Sergeant in the 48th Regiment of Foot and Maria DeSilva in about 1812 during the Peninular Wars. He was baptised in Burwell, Cambridgeshire 27 August 1815 along with his younger brother Henry. On the 1851 Census, ^^Stephen and his family are found in Ramsey, Hunts PRO Ref. HO.107.1745 Enumeration District 1G Folio 104b Schedule 113 Newtown - Stocken Fen ^^Stephen Palmer H M 39 Millwright Portugal British Subject Elizabeth Palmer Wf M 40 Millwright's wife CAM Cambridge **Elizabeth Palmer D - 14 --- SFK Gaugely [?Gazeley] Delphenia Palmer D - 10 Scholar HUN Houghton Stephen Palmer S - 4 Scholar HUN Ramsey Henry Palmer S - 2 --- HUN Ramsey Sarah Ann Palmer D - -- --- HUN Ramsey Louis Palmer Br - 23 --- CAM Burwell I have yet to find them on the 1861 & 1871 census, or to find out where ^^Stephen died and is buried - ideas any one? Although not my direct PALMER line, I am intrigued by this family - what took a young woman [**Elizabeth PALMER] from Hunts. to Northumberland? and where was her father working at the time of her marriage? If anyone else on this list researching WEATHERSTON, I would love to hear from you. :) Regards, Ann McClean in Llanmerewig, Mid-Wales, U.K. palmer@ann-mcclean.mid-wales.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CAWTHORN, SCOTT, & DeSILVA PALMER Family History Pages: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cawthorn/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ALSO: List Owner PALMER-EAST-ANGLIA-UK-L@rootsweb.com For the discussion and sharing of information regarding the PALMER surname in Cambridgeshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Huntingdonshire, South Lincolnshire, and the borders with Essex and Bedfordshire. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Geoff, Thanks for the information. I suppose it could be any of them. I think I will just write away to see if I can get a certificate of birth. Most of the time in the census it says place of birth Ireland. Once it said Mosley. Maybe it's Moorsley. Isabel Love

Sue, Do you have the names + ages of the rest of the family from the 1891 census? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Branton Family Tree" <branton_st@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: RE: [ENG-DUR] Disappearing Ancestors (DOSH) > > > Sorry I cannot help with your query but I too have the same problem and > wondered maybe the more knowledgeable members on the list may be able to > offer suggestions. > > I am researching DOSH and after trying all variants of the name I can only > find one person by that name on the 1881, a son John William living with his > grandparents. I have the family, including John William all together on the > 1891 Census living in Boldon and I know a son Joseph was born 1880 > Sunderland but as I say all efforts have proved fruitless. > > Any ideas list members? > > Regards > Sue > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > U.K. PhoneDirectory > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/ > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ >