I am thinking more following the female side because his last name is different from the Harrison's who adopted him. But a weird thought I had, was when I saw the 1891 census, it looked like he was written in as serv, rather than son by the enumerator taking the census. I can see how he wrote son, and it looked different for two people listed on the street, reading more like serv. Now this was either bad handwriting or an observation the census taker made when he showed up at their door. Wondering how this observation was made seems perplexing. I thought maybe he noticed that Arthur's skin was a shade darker than the rest in the family. Making the assumption that he was not there son but serv. Do you get what I may be hinting at learning about my family? Arthur was adopted by the Harrisons and was in 1881 seen as their son, with his birthplace changed to read Durham, but he was born elsewhere. We do have some in our family that have black hair and olive skin. My da! ughter one, she is very dark much like my sister who has black hair and brown eyes, my husband is very Irish, we have traced his family back to Ireland. Red heads, blue eyes, blonds. I am also wondering who may have been the true parents of my gg grandmother Margeret. She seems to have been born when my ggg grandmother was just 10, that would have made her just 9 yrs old when she had sex. I too am thinking something not right in this. I am thinking more that Margeret because of her age may have been a product of incest. Marrying Eleanor off, soon as it was legal in the Catholic church, age 12 for girls. Something went on Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Mandy Fenyvesi<mailto:mommy23@shaw.ca> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Could he be the son of a deceased brother? Or a product of incest pre-Eleanor and William? Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > You and I are really thinking alike, could a family secret be coming out? Is this why my grandmother was so secretive about anything to do with her family. I am beginning to think it is. Arthur Craggs holds the key to something out there. I still think written on the 1891 census looked to be serv by the enumerator. Could he have been mistaken as a servant rather than William and Eleanor's son. I do not know what things were like then, it is not as if they looked to have the finances to have a servant living with them. Could his skin have been a shade darker than the rest of the family thus giving the perseption that he was servant rather than son by the enumerator? Just a thought..... nothing to prove that > I am getting his birth certificate today from the site you sent. Thanks again for that. > > Margeret, birth date was 1859 backdating from the 1901 census living with her husband and their 6 children. She was born as written, Yorks England. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > The details Anne sent are very interesting aren't they? > > As she suggested I think getting Arthur CRAGGs birth certificate would > be the place to start > > Then possibly the marriage certificate from Jun 1871. > > Do you have Margeret's birth date - to get her certificate? > > Is Margeret DEFINITELY Eleanor's daughter? > > You could put up a posting on ENG-DUR > giving the details for William Harrison and Eleanor CRAGGS > as much as you have year of birth, place of birth asking if > anyone can find them in 1871 or 1861 > > If they married as late as 1871 they may be together on the census > if the marriage was before Apr 1871. They would be separate in 1861 > > 1861 and 1871 are not searchable in the same way as 1881 and 1891 so > it may be a tall order > > Keep me posted - I am intrigued! > > Angela > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:48 PM > Subject: Fw: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > Angela, could I be wrong about Eleanor. I was guessing on their marriage > date based on when my grandmother was born. Could this be her? > > Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com>>> > > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > Hi Lori, > > > > I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and > > somebody might already have passed on the following information but just > in > > case, here goes... > > > > If you go to the FreeBMD website at > > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl>>> > and do a search for births of > > Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: > > Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 > > > > Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: > > Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 > > > > Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility > (are > > you sure they married extremely young?): > > Marriages registered in Jun 1871 > > CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 > > Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 > > Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 > > Young George Darlington 10a 19 > > > > If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not > > complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of > > that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George > Young > > or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot > > earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not > be > > there. > > > > I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in > Darlington > > and came across this entry. > > 1881 census > > John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine > > Driver > > Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England > > Dressmaker > > John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > > Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England > > Scholar > > Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England > > Scholar > > Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England > > Source Information: > > Dwelling 24 Henry St > > Census Place Darlington, Durham, England > > Family History Library Film 1342175 > > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > > Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 > > Page Number 17 > > > > The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or > > could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a > Craggs). > > Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? > > > > I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at > least > > that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if > he > > was illegitimate. > > > > Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very > > young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and > > see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at > least > > you can cross that one off the list. > > > > Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if > > nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would > fit > > with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. > > > > Regards > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > > I.G.I. 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Does anyone have access to earlier census information. I would be eternally greatful. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS From Anne's information IF Jane CRAGGS is Eleanor's sister then the John CRAGGS on the census would be Eleanor's brother so if someone could find them in an earlier census they may be at Waskerley (or less likeley Shildon birthplace of John) A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > I was thinking about this all last night, could not sleep. My dad just recently came back from visiting family in England and brought Eleanor's picture back, she looked to be around late 30's or early 40's. For some strange bizzare reason I decided to undertake finding her when I saw her, up until that time never having the inclination. It's almost like she wants us to know something. My grandmother, my dads mom, was very secretive about her past, never wanted us to know anything about them. I remember as a kid trying to put a family tree together for a school project. My grandmother, Doris Florence Newton was Margerets daughter. She came to stay with us several times and each time, I tried to find anything out about her family. But, she just put me off did not want to say a thing. My grandmother was a very vane woman, did not want us even to refer to her as grandma. She was not the best mother either, my dad does not share too many happy memories. > > Maybe Craggs was the name given to another daughter Eleanor and William had. I have yet to find all their children and they married extremely young and started having kids even before marriage, with my gg granny, Margeret. What if this was another daughters child? This is the only way the name would enter the family you would think. Unless he was a son of some friends they had and they took him in to raise as their own because of some circumstance. > I think I need to find a census with Eleanor and William Harrison and their children from an earlier time. They married around I am guessing on this,1860. Margeret being born, in 1859, when Eleanor was just 10 years old. This too is a story. I can not imagine having a kid at 10! William was just a few years older. Any child at the age of 9 having sex to me is a crime, rape. I just do not know if this was common place to have children at this age way back then. It just seems so wrong. > > I will go ahead and pursue the birth certificate with the site you found. Once again, I thank you a million times over. I am so amazed at how you have helped me. I thank you again and again > Have a great day, > Lori > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > It is a puzzle isn't it? if he was Margeret's son why was he called CRAGGS? > > Margeret wasn't married twice was she? > > If she was Eleanor's son why was he called CRAGGS! > > The infomation someone else sent you is everything you need to get Arthur's > birth certificate > from the GRO as it is their reference - it may be a red herring but as it is > the only birth > to be found it is probably worth getting > > Arthur CRAGGS Dec 1875 Darlington 10a 28 > > It will be interesting to see what it reveals > > Angela > ------------------------------------------ > > Order a certificate > > > > A certified copy of a birth, marriage, or death certificate may > be ordered online from the General Register Office (GRO). This service is > now available to visitors based in the UK or overseas (as of 8 July 2004). > > > You can also order certificates from the GRO by post, e-mail, > telephone or fax. > > General Register Office > PO Box 2 > Southport > Merseyside > PR8 2JD > > > certificate.services@ons.gov.uk<mailto:certificate.services@ons.gov.uk<mailto:certificate.services@ons.gov.uk<mailto:certificate.services@ons.gov.uk>> > > > Tel 0870 243 7788 or (international) +44 870 243 7788 > Fax 01704 550013 or (international) +44 1704 550013 > > > Opening hours > Monday to Friday - 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. GMT > Saturday - 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. GMT > > > The GRO operates a graduated fee structure for obtaining a copy > of a certificate based upon how much information you can provide to identify > the certificate you require. By using the results from our site you can > obtain the full GRO reference and may benefit from the lowest charges > offered by the GRO. > > > Click the following link for more information on ordering a > certificate from the GRO. Their site will give further details on > certificate fees. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:07 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > I think you might be right. Now comes the story as to who's child he was. > Wondering if he was either an aunts on my ggg grandmother side (Eleanor) or > my gg grandmothers child Margeret, Eleanors daughter. She was older when > she married my gg grandfather 30's. I too think this is him, now I need to > find his family with his parents to see who they were. Any ideas how to do > this? Any help or ideas would be appreciated > > Thanks again > > Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>>> > > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > Hi Lori > > > > The Arthur CRAGGS born Dec 1875 would be only 5 yrs old in Apr 1881 > > he would not be six til the Dec 1881 > > > > So this may be your man! > > > > Just a thought > > > > Angela > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? > > -------------- > > > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of > Yorkshire > > 10a 28 > > > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 > years > > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lori Williams" > <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn> com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>>> > > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHA<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHA> M-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:M-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > > I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs > born > > 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name > is > > with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs > living > > with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the > > end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this > him, > > and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one > year > > later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor > lived > > in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows > Yorkshire > > England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her > 30's. > > I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no > > record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to > > figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this > have > > been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts > child? I > > am thinking th! > > > at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a > > interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me > by a > > wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. > But > > he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad > writing > > by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm > why > > would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this > have > > been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from > > everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in > > Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. > So > > I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! > > > Thanks to everyone, > > > Lori > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > > From: Nivard > Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailt<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailt> o:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com>>>> > > > To: Lori > Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:wi<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:wi> lliamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:lliamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>>> > > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > > > > Hi Lori > > > > > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > > > > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of > Yorkshire > > > 10a 28 > > > > > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 > years > > > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the > > census > > > as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that > perhaps > > > this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am > > still > > > looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on > the > > > census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked > to > > be > > > servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the > > enumerator > > > who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking > and > > he > > > is listed as their son. 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You and I are really thinking alike, could a family secret be coming out? Is this why my grandmother was so secretive about anything to do with her family. I am beginning to think it is. Arthur Craggs holds the key to something out there. I still think written on the 1891 census looked to be serv by the enumerator. Could he have been mistaken as a servant rather than William and Eleanor's son. I do not know what things were like then, it is not as if they looked to have the finances to have a servant living with them. Could his skin have been a shade darker than the rest of the family thus giving the perseption that he was servant rather than son by the enumerator? Just a thought..... nothing to prove that I am getting his birth certificate today from the site you sent. Thanks again for that. Margeret, birth date was 1859 backdating from the 1901 census living with her husband and their 6 children. She was born as written, Yorks England. ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori The details Anne sent are very interesting aren't they? As she suggested I think getting Arthur CRAGGs birth certificate would be the place to start Then possibly the marriage certificate from Jun 1871. Do you have Margeret's birth date - to get her certificate? Is Margeret DEFINITELY Eleanor's daughter? You could put up a posting on ENG-DUR giving the details for William Harrison and Eleanor CRAGGS as much as you have year of birth, place of birth asking if anyone can find them in 1871 or 1861 If they married as late as 1871 they may be together on the census if the marriage was before Apr 1871. They would be separate in 1861 1861 and 1871 are not searchable in the same way as 1881 and 1891 so it may be a tall order Keep me posted - I am intrigued! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Fw: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Angela, could I be wrong about Eleanor. I was guessing on their marriage date based on when my grandmother was born. Could this be her? > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori, > > I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and > somebody might already have passed on the following information but just in > case, here goes... > > If you go to the FreeBMD website at > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl>> and do a search for births of > Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: > Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 > > Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: > Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 > > Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility (are > you sure they married extremely young?): > Marriages registered in Jun 1871 > CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 > Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 > Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 > Young George Darlington 10a 19 > > If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not > complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of > that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George Young > or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot > earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not be > there. > > I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in Darlington > and came across this entry. > 1881 census > John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine > Driver > Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England > Dressmaker > John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar > Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England > Source Information: > Dwelling 24 Henry St > Census Place Darlington, Durham, England > Family History Library Film 1342175 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 > Page Number 17 > > The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or > could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a Craggs). > Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? > > I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at least > that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if he > was illegitimate. > > Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very > young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and > see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at least > you can cross that one off the list. > > Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if > nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would fit > with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. > > Regards > Anne > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. 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Wow Anne, thanks a bunch. You might be right! I was taking a guess that Eleanor and William married young based on my gg Margerets birth. I have had trouble finding other Harrison children. But your information on Jane Craggs has a piece of the puzzle too. My gg grandmother Margeret was a dressmaker as well before marriage, I found this in an old directory of the town. She went by Mary. Also, Eleanor my ggg grandmother was born in Waskerly, same as Jane. Sister most likely. So, guessing on Arthur Craggs would mean he could be either Eleanor's child or Janes. Very good story coming together. Thanks a million for your hard work, just amazing how many are so great at this. Thank goodness for me Have a wonderful day, PS, rain and clouds in Portland Oregon today after several days of 100 degrees. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori, I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and somebody might already have passed on the following information but just in case, here goes... If you go to the FreeBMD website at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl> and do a search for births of Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility (are you sure they married extremely young?): Marriages registered in Jun 1871 CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 Young George Darlington 10a 19 If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George Young or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not be there. I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in Darlington and came across this entry. 1881 census John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England Dressmaker John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 24 Henry St Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342175 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 Page Number 17 The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a Craggs). Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at least that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if he was illegitimate. Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at least you can cross that one off the list. Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would fit with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. Regards Anne

Angela, could I be wrong about Eleanor. I was guessing on their marriage date based on when my grandmother was born. Could this be her? Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori, I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and somebody might already have passed on the following information but just in case, here goes... If you go to the FreeBMD website at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl> and do a search for births of Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility (are you sure they married extremely young?): Marriages registered in Jun 1871 CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 Young George Darlington 10a 19 If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George Young or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not be there. I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in Darlington and came across this entry. 1881 census John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England Dressmaker John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 24 Henry St Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342175 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 Page Number 17 The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a Craggs). Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at least that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if he was illegitimate. Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at least you can cross that one off the list. Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would fit with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. Regards Anne

I was thinking about this all last night, could not sleep. My dad just recently came back from visiting family in England and brought Eleanor's picture back, she looked to be around late 30's or early 40's. For some strange bizzare reason I decided to undertake finding her when I saw her, up until that time never having the inclination. It's almost like she wants us to know something. My grandmother, my dads mom, was very secretive about her past, never wanted us to know anything about them. I remember as a kid trying to put a family tree together for a school project. My grandmother, Doris Florence Newton was Margerets daughter. She came to stay with us several times and each time, I tried to find anything out about her family. But, she just put me off did not want to say a thing. My grandmother was a very vane woman, did not want us even to refer to her as grandma. She was not the best mother either, my dad does not share too many happy memories. Maybe Craggs was the name given to another daughter Eleanor and William had. I have yet to find all their children and they married extremely young and started having kids even before marriage, with my gg granny, Margeret. What if this was another daughters child? This is the only way the name would enter the family you would think. Unless he was a son of some friends they had and they took him in to raise as their own because of some circumstance. I think I need to find a census with Eleanor and William Harrison and their children from an earlier time. They married around I am guessing on this,1860. Margeret being born, in 1859, when Eleanor was just 10 years old. This too is a story. I can not imagine having a kid at 10! William was just a few years older. Any child at the age of 9 having sex to me is a crime, rape. I just do not know if this was common place to have children at this age way back then. It just seems so wrong. I will go ahead and pursue the birth certificate with the site you found. Once again, I thank you a million times over. I am so amazed at how you have helped me. I thank you again and again Have a great day, Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori It is a puzzle isn't it? if he was Margeret's son why was he called CRAGGS? Margeret wasn't married twice was she? If she was Eleanor's son why was he called CRAGGS! The infomation someone else sent you is everything you need to get Arthur's birth certificate from the GRO as it is their reference - it may be a red herring but as it is the only birth to be found it is probably worth getting Arthur CRAGGS Dec 1875 Darlington 10a 28 It will be interesting to see what it reveals Angela ------------------------------------------ Order a certificate A certified copy of a birth, marriage, or death certificate may be ordered online from the General Register Office (GRO). This service is now available to visitors based in the UK or overseas (as of 8 July 2004). You can also order certificates from the GRO by post, e-mail, telephone or fax. General Register Office PO Box 2 Southport Merseyside PR8 2JD certificate.services@ons.gov.uk<mailto:certificate.services@ons.gov.uk> Tel 0870 243 7788 or (international) +44 870 243 7788 Fax 01704 550013 or (international) +44 1704 550013 Opening hours Monday to Friday - 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. GMT Saturday - 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. GMT The GRO operates a graduated fee structure for obtaining a copy of a certificate based upon how much information you can provide to identify the certificate you require. By using the results from our site you can obtain the full GRO reference and may benefit from the lowest charges offered by the GRO. Click the following link for more information on ordering a certificate from the GRO. Their site will give further details on certificate fees. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > I think you might be right. Now comes the story as to who's child he was. Wondering if he was either an aunts on my ggg grandmother side (Eleanor) or my gg grandmothers child Margeret, Eleanors daughter. She was older when she married my gg grandfather 30's. I too think this is him, now I need to find his family with his parents to see who they were. Any ideas how to do this? Any help or ideas would be appreciated > Thanks again > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > The Arthur CRAGGS born Dec 1875 would be only 5 yrs old in Apr 1881 > he would not be six til the Dec 1881 > > So this may be your man! > > Just a thought > > Angela > > > > > -------------------- > Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? > -------------- > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > 10a 28 > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs born > 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name is > with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs living > with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the > end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this him, > and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one year > later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor lived > in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows Yorkshire > England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her 30's. > I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no > record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to > figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this have > been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts child? I > am thinking th! > > at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a > interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me by a > wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. But > he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad writing > by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm why > would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this have > been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from > everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in > Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. So > I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! > > Thanks to everyone, > > Lori > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com>>> > > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > Hi Lori > > > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > > 10a 28 > > > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the > census > > as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps > > this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am > still > > looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the > > census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to > be > > servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the > enumerator > > who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and > he > > is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great > > helper. > > > I hope this helps, > > > Lori > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/<http://www.grisoft.com<http<http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/<http://www.grisoft.com<http>: //www.grisoft.com/>>). > > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04 > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > > U.K. PhoneDirectory > > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/<http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/<http://www.btcom/phonenetuk/<http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/>> > > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/>> > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History > by ROY STOCKDILL > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html<http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > >

Hi Everyone, I would appreciate any information or help to trace descendants /ancestors of William Shepherdson who was born on 1649 and married to Grace Neelson on 4 June 1672. They were from Bishopwearmouth, Durham and they were presumably from a line of Mariners. They had 15 Children; one of them was William Shepherdson who moved to Ramsgate, Kent and was a Captain/Mariner . He was christened on 22 November 1690 (Durham) and married to Ann Holman on 24 October 1714 at the Church of St. Lawrence, Thanet, Kent. England. Please note the Shepherdson name (variations) has been spelt in several ways. Thanks . With kind Regards Percival Shepherdson Shepherdson Family from Singapore/Malaysia -Descendants from William Shepherdson (1714) Ramsgate, Kent, England

I think you might be right. Now comes the story as to who's child he was. Wondering if he was either an aunts on my ggg grandmother side (Eleanor) or my gg grandmothers child Margeret, Eleanors daughter. She was older when she married my gg grandfather 30's. I too think this is him, now I need to find his family with his parents to see who they were. Any ideas how to do this? Any help or ideas would be appreciated Thanks again Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori The Arthur CRAGGS born Dec 1875 would be only 5 yrs old in Apr 1881 he would not be six til the Dec 1881 So this may be your man! Just a thought Angela -------------------- Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? -------------- There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire 10a 28 Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs born 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name is with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs living with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this him, and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one year later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor lived in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows Yorkshire England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her 30's. I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this have been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts child? I am thinking th! > at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me by a wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. But he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad writing by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm why would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this have been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. So I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! > Thanks to everyone, > Lori > ---- Original Message ----- > From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > 10a 28 > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the census > as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps > this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am still > looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the > census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to be > servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the enumerator > who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and he > is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great > helper. > > I hope this helps, > > Lori > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/<http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>>). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04 > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > U.K. PhoneDirectory > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/<http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/> > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori The Arthur CRAGGS born Dec 1875 would be only 5 yrs old in Apr 1881 he would not be six til the Dec 1881 So this may be your man! Just a thought Angela -------------------- Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? -------------- There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire 10a 28 Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs born 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name is with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs living with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this him, and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one year later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor lived in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows Yorkshire England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her 30's. I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this have been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts child? I am thinking th! > at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me by a wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. But he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad writing by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm why would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this have been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. So I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! > Thanks to everyone, > Lori > ---- Original Message ----- > From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > 10a 28 > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the census > as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps > this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am still > looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the > census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to be > servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the enumerator > who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and he > is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great > helper. > > I hope this helps, > > Lori > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/<http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>>). > Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04 > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > U.K. PhoneDirectory > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/<http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/> > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> > > >

Geoff and Derek, Thank you for your answers! I had tried to find a source that was available to purchase but came up empty on the internet. I was hoping someone might have additional information since I believe quite a few people are interested in the Rain(Raine) family from this area. I guess it will have to wait for my next trip to England. Maybe next year. Thanks again, Kevin Minnesota USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <GNicresearch@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Stanhope Parish Cemetery > > In a message dated 25/07/2004 09:06:01 GMT Daylight Time, > derek.cuthbert@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > > > I was wondering if there is a transcription available of monument > inscriptions from the Stanhope Parish Cemetery. I am > > interested in the Rain(Raine) family of this parish. > > > Dear Kevin, > I've checked bothe the NDFH, CFHS and the commercial publishers and none of > them have the Stanhope MI's. > Derek Cuthbert > > Kevin & Derek: > > True, there seems to be no commercially-available > transcript, but I have a photocopy of what looks like the first three pages of a longer > list, which as far as I can remember - and I may be wrong - was possibly > taken from one of the 600+ transcripts on open shelves in Durham Record Office. > It actually begins with a bar code (!), above which is the code C2 683340 > 00 08. That means nothing to me but perhaps it does to someone. > > The title is "Memorial Inscriptions in Stanhope Churchyard" which, to > me, indicates that it was compiled by someone not all that familiar with such > things - an experienced MI recorder would have put "Monumental Inscriptions > .....". In all, 34 stones are listed (No Raines etc: sorry, Kevin), which > any brief glance at Stanhope churchyard would tell us would only be the > beginning of any full listing. They all seem to come under a sub-heading "On plot > on south side of Church, east of walk, commencing at the southern end". > > Geoff Nicholson > > > 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU > Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of > NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU. > > ______________________________

Thanks for the information, I was wondering if you had any census information to make it possible to find his parents? Any help would be appreciated. I am thinking they changed his place of birth when they adopted him. My gg grandmother was from Yorkshire, she was William and Eleanor's daughter, her name Margeret (Mary). She married my gg grandfather late, 30's. I am wondering if this was her son from a previous marriage or a possible aunt's son. I am thinking this because I thought at first this was Eleanor's nephew but can find no record of a Eleanor Craggs born 1849 in Waskerly. So, another relationship had to bring him to the family. He is no longer living with them on the 1901 census. Thanks, Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire 10a 28 Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the census as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am still looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to be servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the enumerator who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and he is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great helper. > I hope this helps, > Lori --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04

Hello Listers, Is there anyone going to the Record Office in the near future that could do a Baptism check for me PLEASE. I would appriciate it very much if they could please look up A Baptism for Hannah Copeland who was Baptized September 17, 1831 at All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England. Hannah was the daughter of Nicholas Copeland and Mary Wilson. I would like someone to find out what Nicholas Copeland's OCCUPATION WAS PLEASE. Thank you in advance for any help I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Hello Listers, Is there anyone going to the Record Office in the near future that could do a Baptism check for me PLEASE. I would appriciate it very much if they could please look up A Baptism for Hannah Copeland who was Baptized September 17, 1831 at All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England. Hannah was the daughter of Nicholas Copeland and Mary Wilson. I would like someone to find out what Nicholas Copeland's OCCUPATION WAS PLEASE. Thank you in advance for any help I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs born 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name is with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs living with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this him, and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one year later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor lived in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows Yorkshire England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her 30's. I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this have been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts child? I am thinking th! at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me by a wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. But he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad writing by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm why would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this have been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. So I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! Thanks to everyone, Lori ---- Original Message ----- From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire 10a 28 Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the census as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am still looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to be servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the enumerator who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and he is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great helper. > I hope this helps, > Lori --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04

> I was wondering if there is a transcription available of monument inscriptions from the Stanhope Parish Cemetery. I am > interested in the Rain(Raine) family of this parish. Dear Kevin, I've checked bothe the NDFH, CFHS and the commercial publishers and none of them have the Stanhope MI's. Derek Cuthbert NDFHS

Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the census as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am still looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to be servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the enumerator who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and he is listed as their son. I will attach the notes given to me by a great helper. I hope this helps, Lori I have found this before - a relative not child of the family sometimes listed as servant although in 1891 Arthur is listed as HARRISON - maybe another little mistake by the enumerator! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > I just enlarged it and did some editing and it now looks like they listed adopted son, Arthur Craggs as servant on this document. But on the 1881 he was listed as their adopted son. Any guesses as to why that may be? > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > Hi Lori > > That's why I thought you needed to see it! it certainly would fit for him to be a brother > > Angela > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > I printed it and it turned out pretty darn great. Wow... I can believe you found that so fast. I am wondering why Henry might have been listed as a son, when William and Eleanor were around his age. Could he have been a brother? Weird... > Thanks, Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > Hi Lori > > If you have any problems viewing it let me know > > Angela > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > I do not, and would appreciate any help. Thank you so much Angela! That would be fantastic > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > Hi Lori > > Have you got them in 1891? would you like me to look for them? > > Angela > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:57 PM > Subject: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > > > > Hello list, I am new to researching and have been told I may gain some > help here. I would appreciate any assistance you may have to help me. > > I am looking for my ggg grandparents. They were very young when they > married, William (16) Eleanor (12)The last confirmed document I have found > them in was from the 1881 census. Showing there address as: 44 Whessoe > Lane, Darlington. A great helper, Brian Harrison helped me track them down. > Then in 1901 census living at : 50 Whessoe Lane, this was known as the Rise > Carr Hotel. Here they meet up with a family member by the name of Colby > Harrison, his profession was hotel proprietor. Each of these addresses is > used during this time with the movement of my family. Colby again was found > on an old directory in 1915 living at the , White Rose Villa, Durham Rd. my > guess, a retirement home.. > > > > I am having difficulty going any further back with out knowing Eleanor's > maiden name. But, I think I may have a clue as to what it may have been. > They adopted a son, his name Arthur Craggs, born in 1876 and shown on the > 1881 census living with them. I think this was Eleanor's nephew, her sister > or brothers child. Just a thought, but it may hold the key I need. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > William and Eleanor Harrison: > > William born 1845 Middlesbro, York England (Blacksmith, shopkeeper) > > Eleanor born 1849, Durham, Waskerly England: she was very young with her > first child, 10 yrs. Very sad I think, but this child was my gg > grandmother. She was born before marriage. > > > > Children: They have more I suspect, > > Arthur Craggs- adopted son: Born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > Margeret,( Mary) born 1859, Yorks, England > > She was my gg grandmother, married John Thomas Newton in around 1889, > older when married than her mother, 30's. > > > > Thank you, > > Lori > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > > Durham GenWeb Host > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/>> > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > U.K. PhoneDirectory > http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/<http://www.bt.com/phonenetuk/> > Looking for an address in the U.K. try, > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/> > ----- Original Message ----- From: WBDCRAGGS@aol.com<mailto:WBDCRAGGS@aol.com> To: williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: CRAGGS Hi , just spotted the Craggs link and would be interested to know a little more about him if possible thanks Bill Craggs

In a message dated 25/07/2004 09:06:01 GMT Daylight Time, derek.cuthbert@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > I was wondering if there is a transcription available of monument inscriptions from the Stanhope Parish Cemetery. I am > interested in the Rain(Raine) family of this parish. Dear Kevin, I've checked bothe the NDFH, CFHS and the commercial publishers and none of them have the Stanhope MI's. Derek Cuthbert Kevin & Derek: True, there seems to be no commercially-available transcript, but I have a photocopy of what looks like the first three pages of a longer list, which as far as I can remember - and I may be wrong - was possibly taken from one of the 600+ transcripts on open shelves in Durham Record Office. It actually begins with a bar code (!), above which is the code C2 683340 00 08. That means nothing to me but perhaps it does to someone. The title is "Memorial Inscriptions in Stanhope Churchyard" which, to me, indicates that it was compiled by someone not all that familiar with such things - an experienced MI recorder would have put "Monumental Inscriptions .....". In all, 34 stones are listed (No Raines etc: sorry, Kevin), which any brief glance at Stanhope churchyard would tell us would only be the beginning of any full listing. They all seem to come under a sub-heading "On plot on south side of Church, east of walk, commencing at the southern end". Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hi Lori Put this together earlier but went off to see Camelot at the local summer stage before it got sent. I think you have now received this from others but have a couple of notes. Anyway, and I'm no expert, but transcriptions as well as the original enumerators pages often can be suspect. Mispellings can make life difficult if you don't know the geography. I wouln't have known about the extra "s" in Walkerly in the 1881 transcription. In 1891 I would guess, for what it's worth, that Henry and William are brothers and the enumerator just goofed when the relationship was written down. Take care and have a great day. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ************************************** 1881 British Census Name / Relation / Marital Status / Gender / Age / Birthplace / Occupation William HARRISON Head M Male 36 Middlesbro, York Blacksmith At Works Eleanor HARRISON Wife M Female 31 Waskerley? Durham Arthur CRAGGS Adopted Son Male 5 Darlington, Durham ? Incorrect spelling Source Information: Dwelling: 44 Whessoe Lane Census Place: Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film: 1342176 Public Records Office Reference: RG11 Piece / Folio: 4889 / 55 Page Number: 5 ************************************** 1891 Census: Civil parish: Darlington Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Town: County: Durham Street address: 48 Whessoe Lane Source information: RG12/4042 Registration district: Darlington Sub registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 84 Page: 45 Name / Age in 1891 / Birthplace / Relationship to head-of-house Harrison, William 46 Middlesborough, Yorkshire Head Blacksmith Harrison, Elena 41 Wakerley, Durham Wife Harrison, Arthur 15 Darlington, Durham Son Clerk Railway Harrison, Henry 44* Middlesborough, Yorkshire Son** Railway Plate Layer * Yes it looks like 44 but is that reasonable? ** Perhaps wrong relationship if age is correct *************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > Hello list, I am new to researching and have been told I may gain some help here. I would appreciate any assistance you may have to help me. > I am looking for my ggg grandparents. They were very young when they married, William (16) Eleanor (12)The last confirmed document I have found them in was from the 1881 census. Showing there address as: 44 Whessoe Lane, Darlington. A great helper, Brian Harrison helped me track them down. Then in 1901 census living at : 50 Whessoe Lane, this was known as the Rise Carr Hotel. Here they meet up with a family member by the name of Colby Harrison, his profession was hotel proprietor. Each of these addresses is used during this time with the movement of my family. Colby again was found on an old directory in 1915 living at the , White Rose Villa, Durham Rd. my guess, a retirement home.. > > I am having difficulty going any further back with out knowing Eleanor's maiden name. But, I think I may have a clue as to what it may have been. They adopted a son, his name Arthur Craggs, born in 1876 and shown on the 1881 census living with them. I think this was Eleanor's nephew, her sister or brothers child. Just a thought, but it may hold the key I need. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > William and Eleanor Harrison: > William born 1845 Middlesbro, York England (Blacksmith, shopkeeper) > Eleanor born 1849, Durham, Waskerly England: she was very young with her first child, 10 yrs. Very sad I think, but this child was my gg grandmother. She was born before marriage. > > Children: They have more I suspect, > Arthur Craggs- adopted son: Born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > Margeret,( Mary) born 1859, Yorks, England > She was my gg grandmother, married John Thomas Newton in around 1889, older when married than her mother, 30's. > > Thank you, > Lori > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Durham GenWeb Host > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/ > >

Hello All, I am wondering if someone who may have the 1871 census for Escomb, County Durham could have a look to see who might have been living at 41 Albion Street, Escomb in 1871. hopefully it maybe Thomas Rowell or Rouell and family. Many, many thanks in advance. Thomas Rowell _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

I just enlarged it and did some editing and it now looks like they listed adopted son, Arthur Craggs as servant on this document. But on the 1881 he was listed as their adopted son. Any guesses as to why that may be? Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham Hi Lori That's why I thought you needed to see it! it certainly would fit for him to be a brother Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham I printed it and it turned out pretty darn great. Wow... I can believe you found that so fast. I am wondering why Henry might have been listed as a son, when William and Eleanor were around his age. Could he have been a brother? Weird... Thanks, Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham Hi Lori If you have any problems viewing it let me know Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham I do not, and would appreciate any help. Thank you so much Angela! That would be fantastic Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham Hi Lori Have you got them in 1891? would you like me to look for them? Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Harrison's in Durham > Hello list, I am new to researching and have been told I may gain some help here. I would appreciate any assistance you may have to help me. > I am looking for my ggg grandparents. They were very young when they married, William (16) Eleanor (12)The last confirmed document I have found them in was from the 1881 census. Showing there address as: 44 Whessoe Lane, Darlington. A great helper, Brian Harrison helped me track them down. Then in 1901 census living at : 50 Whessoe Lane, this was known as the Rise Carr Hotel. Here they meet up with a family member by the name of Colby Harrison, his profession was hotel proprietor. Each of these addresses is used during this time with the movement of my family. Colby again was found on an old directory in 1915 living at the , White Rose Villa, Durham Rd. my guess, a retirement home.. > > I am having difficulty going any further back with out knowing Eleanor's maiden name. But, I think I may have a clue as to what it may have been. They adopted a son, his name Arthur Craggs, born in 1876 and shown on the 1881 census living with them. I think this was Eleanor's nephew, her sister or brothers child. Just a thought, but it may hold the key I need. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > William and Eleanor Harrison: > William born 1845 Middlesbro, York England (Blacksmith, shopkeeper) > Eleanor born 1849, Durham, Waskerly England: she was very young with her first child, 10 yrs. Very sad I think, but this child was my gg grandmother. She was born before marriage. > > Children: They have more I suspect, > Arthur Craggs- adopted son: Born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > Margeret,( Mary) born 1859, Yorks, England > She was my gg grandmother, married John Thomas Newton in around 1889, older when married than her mother, 30's. > > Thank you, > Lori > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > Durham GenWeb Host > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/> > > >