In message <BAY12-F21LGlkE26q0p0000bee5@hotmail.com>, TO Rowell <rowell_genealogy@hotmail.com> writes >Hello All, > >I am wondering if someone who may have the 1871 census for Escomb, >County Durham could have a look to see who might have been living at 41 >Albion Street, Escomb in 1871. hopefully it maybe Thomas Rowell or >Rouell and family. > >Many, many thanks in advance. > >Thomas Rowell > > Hello Thomas, Is this them? 1871 census Escomb DUR RG10/4926 folio 22 page 38 Escomb Lane (looks like Watson & Braithwaite? perhaps the name of a row of cottages, as there were a few pages with this address) Thomas ROWELL hd mar 40 coal miner NBL Allenheads Mary Ann " wife 32 " Wark Ann Elizabeth " dau 11 scholar NBL Allenheads Emma " dau 9 " " " William At. " son 7 " " " Mary Ann " dau 1 DUR Escomb If I were you, I would have a look for yourself when you get the chance, to see what you make of the address. 41 Albion Street is occupied by John Harris & family in 1871. Regards, -- Helen Oram

Dear Sir. Thanks to the person or persons who recommended the DURHAM RECORDS ONLINE site. I had great luck in finding some family members. I have three families from County Durham, and was able to find connections in all three families. And it only cost $15.00 dollars USA money. Just want to let you know: If you use MultiMap.com and trace the city and address, listed on the census report, you might just find the street your family lived on. I did and that was from 1851 amazing. If anyone has access to the 1841 or 1851 census I would appreciate some help. Would like to find Samuel and Elizabeth Wraith on the 1841 an 1851 census. "There is an Elizabeth Summerson age 73 living with Robert & Ann Wraith on the 1861 Census. Just who was she? 1861 Census, Sunderland District Ryhope 1861 Census, Ryhope Colliery Village, 20 Burdon Street Elizabeth Summerson, Relative, widowed(?), 73, born Stanhope, County Durham". Descendants of Samuel & Elizabeth Wraith 1 Samuel Wraith .. +Elizabeth ........ 2 Robert Wraith b: 1811 in Houghton, County Durham, England, or Lanbton Occupation: 1881 Coal Miner(EX) ............ +Ann Robinson b: 1816 in Lambton, Durham, Eng., or Penshaw m: December 17, 1836 in Kelloe, County Durham, Eng. ........ 2 Thomas Wraith b: 1824 in North Shields, Northumberland ............ +Mary Dawson m: April 4, 1842 in Kelloe, County Durham, Eng. Again I want to thank all the kind people on the County Durham England web site for all there help in the past. I have learned alot about County Durham over the last year or so. Mary Jane Freund USA

A public thank you to Janis for this - and so quickly! Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janis Noonan" <2zpool@charter.net> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: July 27, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: re: [ENG-DUR] 1851 census index lookup > Linda, > > It pays to look at the original sources. I am sending you off list the > census image. Wife Mary Ann is there, age 45, born Sunderland. Also two > more children than listed in your email or the index.

Linda, It pays to look at the original sources. I am sending you off list the census image. Wife Mary Ann is there, age 45, born Sunderland. Also two more children than listed in your email or the index. HO 107/2395 Folio 220 page 44 Bishopwearmouth, St. Michaels (Parish church), Sunderland 7 Swan's Buildings James Thompson, Head, married, 47, Journeyman Tailor, durham, Bp Auckland Mary A. Thompson, wife, mar 45, Durham, Sunderland Mary J. Thompson, daur, U, 20, serv., Durham, Sunderland James Thompson, son, U, 18, Cartman, Durham, Sunderland Robert Thompson, son, 12, Scholar, Durham, Sunderland Anthony, Thompson, son, 12, Scholar, Durham, Sunderland Emily Thomspon, daur, 6, Scholar, Durham, Sunderland Margaret Thompson, daur,4, Durham, Sunderland Next door there is another Thompson family Joseph age 56 from Northumberland , wife Frances and dau Sarah. Janis

Hi Listers, In July I asked for help checking the 1851 census in County Durham, for Stephen Roxby who married Margaret Widdowfield. Well you all came through and I have been able to trace the family, and found they had a son Robert. [This is the 24th Robert in the family dating back to 1740]. Stephen and Margaret named that Robert, 'Robert Widdowfield Roxby' which sort of nailed it that I was on the right track. I have been able to trace Robert and his wife Clara to London where he was a manufacturer of undershirts. Well that is as far as I have gone on one child, and I wanted you all to know that without all your help getting me started on Stephen and Margaret, I would probably still be looking for them. I thought, that with all your help, you would like to know what a help you have all been. Thank you all, Phyllis USA --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Hello everyone, I'm new to the Durham list and am hoping someone might be able to help me with a few questions... I'm researching my great great grandparents who were Irish born but lived in Co. Durham during the 1860s. John FAY b. ca.1846 Alice nee FAULKNER b. ca. 1845 Married St Cuthbert's Chapel, Old Elvet 1869 (Alice's maiden name is mis-transcribed on the certificate as FAHAN) When they married John worked in a Colliery and Alice as a domestic. I have found them (and John's daughter from his previous short marriage to Mary FINN) in the 1871 census, living in Railway St, Haswell. But I can't find a Railway St in the contemporary map of Haswell, only a Station St! If anyone has come across my folk or can solve the mystery of Railway Street, I'd be very grateful. Also,is there any way of tracking Irish migration to the NE? Many thanks and living in hope, Courtney -- Courtney Pedersen Brisbane, Australia Researching: FAY, FAULKNER, MOORE, TENNANT - England

Is there anyone going to their local record office in the near future who is willing to look at the actual entry for the following shown in the 1851 census index for Bishopwearmouth: HO107/2395, Folio 220 James THOMPSON, 47, journeyman tailor (?), born Bishop Auckalnd James 18, cartman Sarah 14, dressmaker Robert 12 Anthony 9 Emily 6 Margaret 4 I believe this is James THOMPSON who married my great great grandfather's sister Mary Ann NICHOLSON in 1824. Mary's parents were Anthony and Mary (nee Garry) Nicholson. I'd like to see if James is a widower in 1851 as there is no mention of Mary Ann in the index. Thank you, Linda.

Hi List, I am looking for any info on the BARRETT/BARRATT family. I have info from 1881, 1891 and 1901 census for the family, and have just broken a brick wall, hopefully, but am waiting for the certificates to arrive. In particular, I am searching for James BARRETT born circa 1860 Smetwick, Staffs. On 1881 census he was 21 and worked as an iron works labourer. I have not found him on any of the other census. Nor can I find a registration for a birth, marriage or death for him, and not for the want of trying! I would love to find something on him, even if he was a conict or in prison for something, at least I would have found him! Also I would like to find out where his sister, Rose Hannah BARRETT was in 1891. I can't find her either. I have her and her family in 1901 and living at home in 1881. She married (I think) in 1895. I have checked the 1901 and have found a possibility. It makes sense to take this particular family as most details check out. Again, I am waiting for the certs. If the family is my Rose Barrett, then I would like to find out what she was upto between 1881 and her marriage in 1895, as she has a daughter -Laura - aged 9 in 1901. The child would have been 2 years old when she married. Any info would be marvalous. Best Regards, lesley, Essex. UK

Hi Lori, Following on from Helen's 1861 census findings, Eleanor's parents William and Jane and various siblings mentioned in 1861 would also appear to be in Darlington on the 1881 census: William CRAGGS Head M Male 59 Aycliffe, Durham, England Railway Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS Wife M Female 58 Blackwell, Durham, England Margaret CRAGGS Daur U Female 26 Muggleswick, Durham, England William CRAGGS Son U Male 22 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Works Robert CRAGGS Son U Male 20 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter (Apprentice) Source Information: Dwelling 18 Anns Terrace Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4889 / 40 Page Number 38 I think the Blackwell mentioned for the birthplace of Jane Craggs is an area of Darlington - perhaps someone can confirm this? .............................................................. Thomas CRAGGS Head M Male 34 Waskerley, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Wks Elizabeth CRAGGS Wife M Female 30 Sunderland, Durham, England Hannah CRAGGS Daur Female 8 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Thomas CRAGGS Son Male 6 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Elizabeth Taylor CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Jane Burral CRAGGS Daur Female 2 Saltburn, York, England George Tate CRAGGS Son Male 4 m Dton, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 20 King St Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4888 / 128 Page Number 27 Having had a look at the FreeBMD site, there is a marriage registered Sep 1843 in Darlington for William Craggs and amongst the names there is a Jane Burrell. Looking at Thomas' family on the 1881 census above he has called one of his daughters Jane Burral Craggs - coincidence or not? Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Hi Lori, > I think I have found your CRAGGS family in the 1861 census, living at > Waskerley Park, which is on the moors roughly half way between Stanhope > & Muggleswick. > > Waskerley Park, near Muggleswick DUR > > RG9/3735 folio 80 page 19 > > William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe > Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington > John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick > Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " > Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " > Jane " " 9 " " > Margaret " " 6 " " > Mary " " 4 " " > William " son 2 " > Robert " " 5mth " > > As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain > why they moved back there. > Hope this helps. > -- > Helen Oram > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html >

Hi List, I have not been on this list for nearly 2 years, and have just started to do my FORSTER family tree again. All the following is info I have on this family..... 1881 census. 6 Sheraton St. Darlington. Oliver FORSTER, head, age 50, born Rookhope, Durham, Railway storekeeper( my 2 x gt. grandfather) Margaret FORSTER wife, age 28, born Startforth, Yorks Oliver FORSTER, son, age 3, born Darlington, Durham Linda FORSTER, dau, age 11mths, born Darlington. I know nothing about Linda. Margaret FORSTER was formerly a JONES. Oliver FORSTER jnr. was born 8 Sept. 1877 Darlington. He married Lily BARRETT 2nd June 1900 and had several children. Oliver died 21 Sept. 1959 and was a Chief Fire Inspector for British Railways and was my gt. grandfather. He also built a model train which was reportedly displayed in the Railway Museum, York. I have Oliver and Lily on the 1901 census. 1851 census. I have the following family that looks quite likely mine, but I would love to find out more before I can claim them. Oliver FORSTER age 20, born Stanhope? Durham Emerson FORSTER age 29, born ? Ann FORSTER age 24, born Burnfoot? Durham John FORSTER, age 26, born ? Susanna FORSTER, age 58, born ? Thomas FORSTER, age 56, born ? Thomas FORSTER, age 22, born ? With their likely birth years being in accordance with my 2 x gt. grandfather Oliver FORSTER's age on 1881 census, and the fact that Oliver was not a common name, I would like to think that they are mine. I hope that some one will connect with this family, or know of them. If anyone has any info on this family I would love to hear from you. Best Regards, Lesley. Essex. UK Linda FORSTER was born 19th April 1880 Darlington.

Hi Lori, (Apologies to the list if this message appears twice, but it seems to have disappeared into the ether on its first outing!) I think I have found your CRAGGS family in the 1861 census, living at Waskerley Park, which is on the moors roughly half way between Stanhope & Muggleswick. Waskerley Park, near Muggleswick DUR RG9/3735 folio 80 page 19 William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " Jane " " 9 " " Margaret " " 6 " " Mary " " 4 " " William " son 2 " Robert " " 5mth " As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain why they moved back there. Hope this helps. -- Helen Oram

Thanks Anne, I did go to your site and found out the information on John Robert Boret. I too saw his father listed at the bottom. I could not bring up any details about his father Jack though, because he was not a casualty, but saw several initials indication his flying status all over the world. I am guessing that I could find him in Australia. Not much on his wife. But , if I can find Jack Boret, I gather that I can get a hold of his birth certificate. I have my suspicion as to his son he is. Talking to my mother, she thinks he was not my grandmothers son but in fact my grandfathers. He according to my mother was quite the ladies man. Hmmmm more skeletons in the closet yet to come out! Could this once again be another reason why my grandmother was so hush hush.... On my fathers last visit to see his cousins, the story came up about Jack and it took my father by complete surprise, thinking he may have a half brother somewhere. He approached his cousin Patrick who he was staying with and all that he said was: " There are things we just do not talk about!" Hmmmmm..... huge red flag that is screaming......... he does exist. Now we see he did!! My cousin Angela who was there for the whole conversation took my dad aside and told her all she had heard via her mother growing up. Insisting that he does exist. So with this, I began talking to my cousin Mark with the oldest living sister still alive 85 now to see what he heard growing up. This is all that I told you. Just that Jack's son, John Robert was shot down over Japan, his father meeting him in the 2nd WW being told this directly by Jack. We have members in the family that were pilots on both sides of my fathers family, flying in the 1st and 2nd WW. Another member was a Warr-Ki! ng, I think Dudley or something shot down over Hamburg Germany. This is my maiden name, but the darn hyphen has made it nearly impossible to find any Warr-King family. They exist at grave sites but actually tracking them over seas is impossible . Good stuff, Thanks again Anne, you are certainly brilliant at digging the dirt up Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori, Definitely more exciting than housework - actually having said that I did make some home-made bread today! I read your message with interest. The mention of a Boret serving and being killed during the 2nd WW prompted me to have a look at the Commonwealth Wargraves Commission website. If you haven't already been there, go to http://www.cwgc.org/<http://www.cwgc.org/> On the home page you'll see a search form. Type in boret into the surname box and click search. You'll get one result from WW1 and one from WW2. If you click on the name, you will get more details of the casualty. Do you think that Robert John Boret might be the son of Jack? You can click on the View details button and it will give you details of the cemetery. It might not be the right one of course - it's very easy to assume things when doing genealogy and sometimes they can be totally innacurate so proceed with caution. I'm still working on that idea that I had about your family and if I come to any conclusions, I'll get back to you. Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS I just got off the phone with my dad. His memory is not the best. He is the youngest of his siblings and his last remaining sister is 85 years old. Since he was pretty much left out of the loop because his mother wanted to share nothing about her family. His father dying when he was 14 when his much older sisters had already and moved on with their adult lives. He went to work at 14 and supported his mother until she passed away. Even this relationship did not foster any sharing of information about her. At one time as kids we thought maybe she was adopted. But I am finding this not the case because she is listed on the 1901 census with her mother and father (Newton) her last name living on the same street as Eleanor and William. I keep asking my dad what his grandmothers name was and he says Eleanor. I took it to mean his gg grandmother. It would not fit to have his mother's last name Newton when Eleanor was Harrison and prior maiden name I am thinking Cragg! s. I am just trying to piece together all the bits and details to figure it out. There are many things that are talked about with the family that were not discussed when my grandmother Florence Newton was alive. Rumor has it, she had a son either prior to marriage or while married with a French man. This son's name was Jack Boret, lived with his father and was in the Royal air force, and settled in Australia. This man Jack had a son who was also a pilot, and was shot down over Japan in the 2nd WW. All of this.... is coming from my 85 year old aunt who has talked about him all her life. She told these stories to her son Mark, my cousin and he still recalls them vividly. He did tell me, his father met Jack Boret during the 2nd WW and this is when Jack shared the story about losing his son over Japan. My cousin Mark claims, Jack was always his hero growing up. Visions of him in his place fighting, being the hero and all. My dad, the youngest does not know anything a! bout this. So, we do have the skeletons in the closet you might say. The whole story with Arthur Craggs is a mystery too. I will let you know what I find. Certainly interesting. Too bad, my grandmother was so closed mouth about her family. I too am finding housework hard these days Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> ; ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Lori, Your family has got me intrigued now (well actually it's Tuesday morning and this is much more interesting than doing the housework!). If you do get Arthur Craggs birth certificate I'd be curious to know who his parent/s were. I've noted doing a rough search on the 1901 census, William & Eleanor Harrison living in the same household as John and Margaret Newton and children. Have you seen the actual household details? Can you tell me what John and Margaret and William and Eleanor's relationship to head was? I don't want to confuse the issue right now but I have an idea forming about this family and the census information might help prove or disprove it. Thanks and regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Fw: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Angela, could I be wrong about Eleanor. I was guessing on their marriage date based on when my grandmother was born. Could this be her? > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori, > > I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and > somebody might already have passed on the following information but just in > case, here goes... > > If you go to the FreeBMD website at > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/se<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootswebcom/cgi/se> arch.pl> and do a search for births of > Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: > Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 > > Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: > Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 > > Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility (are > you sure they married extremely young?): > Marriages registered in Jun 1871 > CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 > Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 > Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 > Young George Darlington 10a 19 > > If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not > complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of > that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George Young > or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot > earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not be > there. > > I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in Darlington > and came across this entry. > 1881 census > John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine > Driver > Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England > Dressmaker > John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar > Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England > Source Information: > Dwelling 24 Henry St > Census Place Darlington, Durham, England > Family History Library Film 1342175 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 > Page Number 17 > > The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or > could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a Craggs). > Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? > > I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at least > that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if he > was illegitimate. > > Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very > young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and > see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at least > you can cross that one off the list. > > Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if > nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would fit > with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. > > Regards > Anne > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/<http://www.familysearch.org/> > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk<http://www.pro.gov.uk/> >

Hi Lori, I think I have found your CRAGGS family in the 1861 census, living at Waskerley Park, which is on the moors roughly half way between Stanhope & Muggleswick. Waskerley Park, near Muggleswick DUR RG9/3735 folio 80 page 19 William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " Jane " " 9 " " Margaret " " 6 " " Mary " " 4 " " William " son 2 " Robert " " 5mth " As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain why they moved back there. Hope this helps. -- Helen Oram

Lori, Your family has got me intrigued now (well actually it's Tuesday morning and this is much more interesting than doing the housework!). If you do get Arthur Craggs birth certificate I'd be curious to know who his parent/s were. I've noted doing a rough search on the 1901 census, William & Eleanor Harrison living in the same household as John and Margaret Newton and children. Have you seen the actual household details? Can you tell me what John and Margaret and William and Eleanor's relationship to head was? I don't want to confuse the issue right now but I have an idea forming about this family and the census information might help prove or disprove it. Thanks and regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Fw: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Angela, could I be wrong about Eleanor. I was guessing on their marriage date based on when my grandmother was born. Could this be her? > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori, > > I've just seen your messages regarding your Craggs and Harrisons and > somebody might already have passed on the following information but just in > case, here goes... > > If you go to the FreeBMD website at > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl<http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/se arch.pl> and do a search for births of > Arthur Craggs, there is this entry: > Births registered in Dec 1875 Craggs Arthur Darlington 10a 28 > > Do a search for birth of Eleanor Craggs and you get this entry: > Births registered in Jun 1849 CRAGGS Eleanor Durham &c 24 97 > > Do a search for marriage of Eleanor Craggs and you get this possibility (are > you sure they married extremely young?): > Marriages registered in Jun 1871 > CRAGGS Eleanor Darlington 10a 19 > Harrison William Darlington 10a 19 > Meynell Elizabeth Darlington 10a 19 > Young George Darlington 10a 19 > > If you know the FreeBMD website, you will know that the database is not > complete - there could have been more people registered in that quarter of > that year, or the Eleanor Craggs mentioned, might have married George Young > or indeed someone else. Also, if you are sure they got married a lot > earlier, then the entry might not have been transcribed yet so would not be > there. > > I had a look around on the 1881 census for other Craggs living in Darlington > and came across this entry. > 1881 census > John CRAGGS Head W Male 37 Shildon, Durham, England Ry Engine > Driver > Jane CRAGGS Sister U Female 29 Waskerley, Durham, England > Dressmaker > John W. CRAGGS Son Male 10 Darlington, Durham, England Scholar > Charles H. CRAGGS Son Male 8 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Sarah J. CRAGGS Daur Female 5 Darlington, Durham, England > Scholar > Lizzie E. CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Darlington, Durham, England > Source Information: > Dwelling 24 Henry St > Census Place Darlington, Durham, England > Family History Library Film 1342175 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4886 / 37 > Page Number 17 > > The Jane Craggs mentioned was born in Waskerley. Is this coincidence or > could she have been related to your Eleanor (if your Eleanor was a Craggs). > Could Arthur have been son of Jane Craggs? > > I think your best bet is to buy Arthur Craggs birth certificate and at least > that would tell you his mother's name, probably not his father's name if he > was illegitimate. > > Then (unless you're absolutely certain about them getting married very > young) you could try that possible marriage in 1871 of Eleanor Craggs and > see if she did marry William Harrison. If it's the wrong one, then at least > you can cross that one off the list. > > Anyway, hope this helps in some way and is not a wild goose chase, but if > nothing else, the Arthur Craggs birth entry in 1875 in Darlington would fit > with the 1881 census details of him so I would start there and go onwards. > > Regards > Anne > > > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > I.G.I. Family Search > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Public Record Office U.K > http://www.pro.gov.uk >

Ann, I think you found them!!!! The last family on the bottom has all the members that seem to fit in the family. Elenor, John, Jane, and Margeret were siblings. This has to be them, it fits with the birth dates and the people in town and living on the same street. I would guess the other one at the top to be their grandparents, William and Margaret because of their age and location to the family on the end, an oldest son still living at home. The family in the middle, uncle, aunts and cousins would be a guess. Great work Anne, thanks a million Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori, Following on from Helen's 1861 census findings, Eleanor's parents William and Jane and various siblings mentioned in 1861 would also appear to be in Darlington on the 1881 census: William CRAGGS Head M Male 59 Aycliffe, Durham, England Railway Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS Wife M Female 58 Blackwell, Durham, England Margaret CRAGGS Daur U Female 26 Muggleswick, Durham, England William CRAGGS Son U Male 22 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Works Robert CRAGGS Son U Male 20 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter (Apprentice) Source Information: Dwelling 18 Anns Terrace Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4889 / 40 Page Number 38 I think the Blackwell mentioned for the birthplace of Jane Craggs is an area of Darlington - perhaps someone can confirm this? .............................................................. Thomas CRAGGS Head M Male 34 Waskerley, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Wks Elizabeth CRAGGS Wife M Female 30 Sunderland, Durham, England Hannah CRAGGS Daur Female 8 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Thomas CRAGGS Son Male 6 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Elizabeth Taylor CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Jane Burral CRAGGS Daur Female 2 Saltburn, York, England George Tate CRAGGS Son Male 4 m Dton, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 20 King St Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4888 / 128 Page Number 27 Having had a look at the FreeBMD site, there is a marriage registered Sep 1843 in Darlington for William Craggs and amongst the names there is a Jane Burrell. Looking at Thomas' family on the 1881 census above he has called one of his daughters Jane Burral Craggs - coincidence or not? Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk<mailto:helen@wtoram.co.uk>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Hi Lori, > I think I have found your CRAGGS family in the 1861 census, living at > Waskerley Park, which is on the moors roughly half way between Stanhope > & Muggleswick. > > Waskerley Park, near Muggleswick DUR > > RG9/3735 folio 80 page 19 > > William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe > Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington > John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick > Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " > Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " > Jane " " 9 " " > Margaret " " 6 " " > Mary " " 4 " " > William " son 2 " > Robert " " 5mth " > > As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain > why they moved back there. > Hope this helps. > -- > Helen Oram > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html<http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html> > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Durham GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/>

I think this one the best bet with all the names coming up so close to one another. I think that Elenor and Margeret were sisters rather than mother child. Margeret was the one you married Newton had the 6 kids one was my grandmother, Florence. She was 42 on the 1901 census which would have made her born in 1859. The years are off a little in regards to her birth and Eleanors, I have her born in around 1849 based on her age on the 1901 census. They seem to have a close relationship, living near one another for a good part of their lives. Jane also a sister who was found living with her brother John here lived in town. So, the question still remains, who's child is Arthur? Me thinks Jane or Mary because of their age, teens to 20's at the time of his birth. But he lived and was adopted by Eleanor and William. Someone did mention that the houses were not large in the area where they lived and so might have meant him moving to live with Eleanor Harrison and William. But, why wouldn't his mother, one of Eleanor's sister move to be with him? If it was Mary, she might have been married at the time, this not her child. If it was Janes, she was living with her brother at the time with his children, his wife not in the home. His birth certificate in rout should answer who's child he ! is. I would guess...... Mary or Janes. William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe > Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington > John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick > Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " > Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " > Jane " " 9 " " > Margaret " " 6 " " > Mary " " 4 " " > William " son 2 " > Robert " " 5mth " > > As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain > why they moved back there. > Hope this helps. > -- > Helen Oram >

Hello there, Can anyone help with the residents of Saltwell Estate in 1861. I am looking for the name RUTHERFORD Francis. (or Henry) and wife Hannah. Thanks for any help. Best wishes Pat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 22/07/04

Hello Lori, I wondered if you had seen this family in Darlington in the 1881 census. Perhaps they may be related: Dwelling: 24 Henry St Census Place: Darlington, Durham, England Source: FHL Film 1342175 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4886 Folio 37 Page 17 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CRAGGS W 37 M Shildon, Durham, England Rel: Head Occ: Ry Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS U 29 F Waskerley, Durham, England Rel: Sister Occ: Dressmaker John W. CRAGGS 10 M Darlington, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Charles H. CRAGGS 8 M Darlington, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sarah J. CRAGGS 5 F Darlington, Durham, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Lizzie E. CRAGGS 4 F Darlington, Durham, England Rel: Daur Regards, -- Helen Oram

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----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori Think this may be Margaret & John in1891 - sending image separately this gives Yarm as her birthplace which if correct could be another clue I say "if Correct" because my gg grandmother gave 4 different places of birth on 4 different censuses! It took some unravelling! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Yes, Fred born 1889. Florence, age 8 in 1901 was my grandmother. She is my fathers mother, the very vane lady, who was very secretive about her family. I had a hard time finding them before that time. I think they moved around. I could not figure out where they lived. My grandmother, Florence has on her birth certificate, 9 Upper Baker Street, which I found to be in Liverpool , she was born in (1895). I went through all the directories to find out what this place was..... and it was all types of thing's . The closest match was in 1891 when it was advertised as: Hoopers for hire Christian nurses. I even ordered the 1901 census because it had all these single women living there, wondering if it was a brothel. But when I saw the Christian nurses for hire, this changed my understanding of it to be not a hospital but some kind of doctors office. Interesting to note, in 1853 this address had a man Arthur Newton living there. I took it to mean my gg grandfathers side si! nce he was Newton. Thinking they were visiting when my grandmothers mother went into labor. or they had some connection there earlier and moved to Darlington later to be near the Harrison side. I had read at one time, that the river Thames ran through liverpool and that at one time many lived in London until cholera broke out, connected to the possibility that the river Thames was an open sewer, many left. Fled the cities and settled in places like Durham to avoid large populations. London became a place of working for many rather than living. Wow, thanks so much Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori Was Margeret and John Thomas Newton's firstborn named Frederick b 1889 or 1890 in Darlington? Have been looking for Margeret and John in 1891 to see if it gives any further clues Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> Cc: ENG-DURHAM-L<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS I was thinking about this all last night, could not sleep. My dad just recently came back from visiting family in England and brought Eleanor's picture back, she looked to be around late 30's or early 40's. For some strange bizzare reason I decided to undertake finding her when I saw her, up until that time never having the inclination. It's almost like she wants us to know something. My grandmother, my dads mom, was very secretive about her past, never wanted us to know anything about them. I remember as a kid trying to put a family tree together for a school project. My grandmother, Doris Florence Newton was Margerets daughter. She came to stay with us several times and each time, I tried to find anything out about her family. But, she just put me off did not want to say a thing. My grandmother was a very vane woman, did not want us even to refer to her as grandma. She was not the best mother either, my dad does not share too many happy memories. Maybe Craggs was the name given to another daughter Eleanor and William had. I have yet to find all their children and they married extremely young and started having kids even before marriage, with my gg granny, Margeret. What if this was another daughters child? This is the only way the name would enter the family you would think. Unless he was a son of some friends they had and they took him in to raise as their own because of some circumstance. I think I need to find a census with Eleanor and William Harrison and their children from an earlier time. They married around I am guessing on this,1860. Margeret being born, in 1859, when Eleanor was just 10 years old. This too is a story. I can not imagine having a kid at 10! William was just a few years older. Any child at the age of 9 having sex to me is a crime, rape. I just do not know if this was common place to have children at this age way back then. It just seems so wrong. I will go ahead and pursue the birth certificate with the site you found. Once again, I thank you a million times over. I am so amazed at how you have helped me. I thank you again and again Have a great day, Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk> To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori It is a puzzle isn't it? if he was Margeret's son why was he called CRAGGS? Margeret wasn't married twice was she? If she was Eleanor's son why was he called CRAGGS! The infomation someone else sent you is everything you need to get Arthur's birth certificate from the GRO as it is their reference - it may be a red herring but as it is the only birth to be found it is probably worth getting Arthur CRAGGS Dec 1875 Darlington 10a 28 It will be interesting to see what it reveals Angela ------------------------------------------ Order a certificate A certified copy of a birth, marriage, or death certificate may be ordered online from the General Register Office (GRO). This service is now available to visitors based in the UK or overseas (as of 8 July 2004). You can also order certificates from the GRO by post, e-mail, telephone or fax. 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Their site will give further details on certificate fees. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > I think you might be right. Now comes the story as to who's child he was. Wondering if he was either an aunts on my ggg grandmother side (Eleanor) or my gg grandmothers child Margeret, Eleanors daughter. She was older when she married my gg grandfather 30's. I too think this is him, now I need to find his family with his parents to see who they were. Any ideas how to do this? Any help or ideas would be appreciated > Thanks again > Lori > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela MacLellan<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk<mailto:angela@maclellan.org.uk>> > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > Hi Lori > > The Arthur CRAGGS born Dec 1875 would be only 5 yrs old in Apr 1881 > he would not be six til the Dec 1881 > > So this may be your man! > > Just a thought > > Angela > > > > > -------------------- > Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? > -------------- > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > 10a 28 > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > I did see him listed on the census but there is another Arthur Craggs born > 1876 living with William and Eleanor. I am not sure how common the name is > with the s on the end. Maybe this was a relation to my Arthur Craggs living > with Eleanor. There are not many listed on the census with the s on the > end. Could this be a cousin of his, born one year apart? Or is this him, > and they changed his birthplace to Darlington when he was adopted one year > later? This could have been it! The Harrison's, William and Eleanor lived > in Darlington but there daughter Margeret, my gg grandmother shows Yorkshire > England as her birthplace. She married my gg grandfather late, in her 30's. > I thought at first this was my ggg grandmothers nephew but can find no > record of an Eleanor Craggs, born 1849, in Waskerly. So I am trying to > figure out how Arthur Craggs came to be adopted by them. Could this have > been their daughter's child, my gg grandmother or a possible aunts child? I > am thinking th! > > at more the relationship now. What ever the case is, there is a > interesting story here. I thought I read on the 1891 census sent to me by a > wonderful woman, Angela MacLellan, Arthur was listed as serv, servant. But > he is down as a adopted son. We were thinking this was either bad writing > by the enumerator , when he should have been listed as a son. Hmmmmm why > would the census taker think to write serv rather than son? Could this have > been an observation he made and a assumption? Anyway, all the help from > everyone is so amazing. I am landlocked here in the United States in > Oregon, unable to know too much of how the counties are set up England. So > I am learning a lot and have so much more to learn. But I love it! > > Thanks to everyone, > > Lori > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: Nivard Ovington<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com<mailto:ovington1@btconnect.com>>> > > To: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com>>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > > > > > > Hi Lori > > > > There is an Arthur CRAGGS registered as below, could this be yours? > > > > Craggs, Arthur 1875 December Births Co. Durham North Riding of Yorkshire > > 10a 28 > > > > Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > Hi Bill, this the Craggs in my family. > > > My ggg grandparents adopted a son, his name was Arthur Craggs, 5 years > > old in 1881. They are, William and Eleanor Harrison > > > Arthur Craggs born 1876, Darlington, Durham England > > > > > > His last name was changed to Harrison in 1891. He is listed on the > census > > as Harrison. I am not sure what the story is here. I think that perhaps > > this may have been Eleanor's nephew from a brother or sister. I am > still > > looking into this. What stumped me was that in 1881 he is listed on the > > census as son, then in 1891 it looked like they wrote serv... looked to > be > > servant. But I did some talking to others and it looks like the > enumerator > > who wrote the census had some bad handwriting, we did some checking and > he > > is listed as their son. 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