Thanks, Sue - that was very quick! -- Helen Oram

-----Original Message----- From: Helen Oram [mailto:helen@wtoram.co.uk] SYarm 1851 HO107/2383 folio 136 Margaret HOPPS born Barton YKS. Hi Helen Here are the details: Wheatley COATES Head Marr 46 Butcher Master employing 1 App Farmer 34 acres Durham Newton Bewley Francis " Wife " 35 Yorkshire Yarm Jane E " Daug 13 Scholar " " Ann " " 11 " " " George W " Son 8 " " " Fanny " Daug 6 " " " Walton " Son 1Mth " " Henry " Nephew Un 19 Butcher's App Durham Eglescliffe Margaret HOPPS Serv Un 20 House Servant Yorkshire Barton Ann YOUNG Visitor Un 50 Laundress Worcestershire Tenbury Address: Nothing in Margin. I went back to beginning but page just said Yarm Ref: HO107/2383 Folio 136 Page 14 Schedule 60 Parish of Yarm, Town of Yarm Sue

Hello, I would be very grateful if someone would be able to check an 1851 census reference for me. Apparently Yarm migrates into Co. Durham for the purposes of census enumeration. Yarm 1851 HO107/2383 folio 136 Margaret HOPPS born Barton YKS. I am interested to know with whom she is staying , or working. Thank you. -- Helen Oram

-----Original Message----- From: jayne wake A very kind lady also did a lookup for me on the 1851 census index and found ( Edward 35, Catherine 29 and Dorothy 6 ) all living in South Shields with the reference HO107/2400,folio 96. Hi Jayne Here are the details: Edward WAKE Head Marr 35 Mariner South Shields Catherine Wife Marr 28 North Alnwick Dorothy Daug 6 Scholar South Shields William HEDLEY Visitor 16 Shipwright's App South Shields John " " 13 Errand Boy " " Thomas GREEN Lodger Unm 40 Shoemaker Journeyman Norfolk No Watson Address: Thomas Bank Ref: HO107/2400 Folio 96 Page 37 Schedule 186 Parish of Jarrow, Eccl District: St. Hilda, Borough of South Shields Sue

Hello List , Is there anyone out there with access to the 1851 census of South Shields that would be kind enough to do a look up for me. I am trying to find the birthplaces of Edward and Catherine Wake. I have purchased a copy of their marriage certificate and found they were married in the Church of St Hilda's in 1844. A very kind lady also did a lookup for me on the 1851 census index and found ( Edward 35, Catherine 29 and Dorothy 6 ) all living in South Shields with the reference HO107/2400,folio 96. I have tried the Durham Online site but unfortunately they have no information on the South Shields area at the moment. Any help with the above people would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Jayne.

Jayne, Have found your census. Will send you the page off list. Edward said he was born in S. Shields as will as Dorothy. Catherine indicates Northumberland Alnwick. Janis

Esther, I have them in the 1861 census. They were in Sherburn Hill Village. All I see for children are John, 18, Mary 12, and a , Isabella age 8 months. The enumerator was not consistant at putting names of towns born in and this family only had county. Sherburn 1861 Census, Village of Sherburn Hill, 144 Durham Row RG9/3745 Folio 17 page 28 Evan Roberts, Head,married, 34, Coalminer, Wales Isabella Roberts, Wife,married, 42, County Durham John Roberts, son, 18, Coalminer, County Durham Mary Roberts, daughter, 12, County Durham Isabella Roberts, daughter, 8 months, County Durham Isabella birth certificate is available at Durham Central office in year 1860. She is not on the 1871 census. Sending image off list. Janis

Esther, Your family was living in Page Bank in the 1871 census. I will send image off list. Meanwhile this is what is says. Stockley 1871 Census, Page Bank Colliery RG10/4961 Folio 40 Page 20. Evan Roberts, Head, married, 45, Coalminer, Wales, Denbigh[?] Isabella Roberts, Wife, married, 52, born Philadelphia, County Durham John Roberts, son, 27, Coalminer, born Chester [le Street], County Durham Janis

In a message dated 29/07/2004 16:24:11 GMT Daylight Time, williamslorid@msn.com writes: Does anyone out there know if Blackwell is in or around Darlington? Immediately south of Darlington and now absorbed within it, originally centred around Blackwell Grange, a large house. All the standard on-line sources, old maps, GENUKI, Darlington web-sites, etc, etc, will tell you something about Blackwell. Try putting "Blackwell and Darlington" into a search engine. If you have access to a good Library of such old-fashioned things as books, seek almost anything on Co Durham - Surtees County History will be a good one if you can find a copy (or purchase one from Original Indexes). Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hi Lori I am no expert on Durham geography but if you check GENUKI at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/contents/ you'l find Blackwell and Darlington to be in in the Darlington registraion distict. "Darlington Created 1st July 1837. Mainly in Durham, but included parts of Yorkshire North Riding. Sub-districts : Aycliffe; Darlington; Hurworth. GRO volumes : XXIV (1837-51); 10a (1852-1930). Archdeacon Newton, Barmpton, Blackwell, Brafferton, Coatham Mundeville, Coatsay Moor, Cockerton, Darlington, Denton, Great Aycliffe, Great Burdon, Harrowgate Hill, Haughton le Skerne, Heighington, High Coniscliffe, Houghton le Side, Hurworth, Killerby, Low Coniscliffe, Low Dinsdale, Middleton St George, Morton Palms, Neasham, Piercebridge, Redworth, Sadberge, School Aycliffe, Sockburn, Summerhouse, Walworth, Whessoe. Registers now divided between Darlington and North Yorkshire districts." If you go to http://www.multimap.com and enter Blackwell in the search window you'll see Blackwell on the southwest edge of Darlington. Hope this helps. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Williams" <williamslorid@msn.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:22 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR] Looking for Blackwell, and Rise Carr Hotel > Does anyone out there know if Blackwell is in or around Darlington? > > Also, does anyone know any history of the Whessoe Lane, now Whessoe Rd in Darlington. Specifically looking at the Rise Carr Hotel. A Harrison owned and ran it in my family. Seems to have been in the paper lately for a fight between a pub manager and a patron, the patron fell, hit his head and died after not recovering from a coma. Does anyone know what this area was like in the late 1800's? Any help would be appreciated > > Thanks again for experts out there > Lori > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > query board for Durham gen web > http://www.britishislesgenweb.org/cgi-bin/data/durham.cgi > >

To those wonderful folks on the Durham List: Trying to find out if my ggrandmother Mary Roberts Cockburn had any siblings. Her parents Isabella Stephenson and Evan Roberts were married in 1846. My ggrandmother was born in 1849 and was married in December 31, 1866. Could someone do a lookup in the earlier census 1851, 1861, 1871 for Isabella and Evan Roberts? My gggrandfather was Evan Roberts and born in Wales and Isabella was born Chester Le Street, Durham. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Esther __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Does anyone out there know if Blackwell is in or around Darlington? Also, does anyone know any history of the Whessoe Lane, now Whessoe Rd in Darlington. Specifically looking at the Rise Carr Hotel. A Harrison owned and ran it in my family. Seems to have been in the paper lately for a fight between a pub manager and a patron, the patron fell, hit his head and died after not recovering from a coma. Does anyone know what this area was like in the late 1800's? Any help would be appreciated Thanks again for experts out there Lori

Thanks Geoff and Stan - as always, your help is appreciated. Not the better end of town to live in then?!! And I thought I had such posh relatives! Linda. > address and the name of the pub. However, on inspection it turned out that at > the time there were some 60 pubs, in that one street (more, probably, then > even on the three-mile-long Scotswod Road in Newcastle!).

In a message dated 29/07/2004 03:25:35 GMT Daylight Time, lmmartin@rogers.com writes: Can anyone help me define where Low Street, Sunderland would have been in 1847, and the nearest church. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you go to http://tinyurl.com/3nxrr there is an old map of Sunderland. Low Street is the street that runs parallel and to the south of the river. As it was in Sunderland Parish (the parish boundary is shown on the map) the parish church was Holy Trinity. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 29/07/2004 03:25:35 GMT Daylight Time, lmmartin@rogers.com writes: Can anyone help me define where Low Street, Sunderland would have been in 1847, and the nearest church. Low Street was (and the remnant of it still is) between the High Street and the river. It was a street full of closely-packed slums, as will be apparent from any of the available censuses. I once traced a family of whom, to begin with, I knew little apart from the fact that the head was a publican in Low Street. The closest Trade Directory to the date might have given me the address and the name of the pub. However, on inspection it turned out that at the time there were some 60 pubs, in that one street (more, probably, then even on the three-mile-long Scotswod Road in Newcastle!). 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.

Hi Thought that you might like to know that in fact Albion St is [was] in the village of Witton Park [near Escomb] which was in the parish of Escomb until 1871 when it gained it's own Parish status I have the 1841 - 1891 Witton Park censeii if there is anything else you might need to know. Bye from Howard in the Land of the Prince Bishops. "God has placed me in a paradise" Robert Surtees, Co. Durham historian [1779-1834] Soon to be released : 'Cast in Paradise' an accurate Historical Novel about Witton Park, Co. Durham [see http://www.geocities.com/wittonparker/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Escomb, Durham 1871 > In message <BAY12-F21LGlkE26q0p0000bee5@hotmail.com>, TO Rowell > <rowell_genealogy@hotmail.com> writes > >Hello All, > > > >I am wondering if someone who may have the 1871 census for Escomb, > >County Durham could have a look to see who might have been living at 41 > >Albion Street, Escomb in 1871. hopefully it maybe Thomas Rowell or > >Rouell and family. > > > >Many, many thanks in advance. > > > >Thomas Rowell > > > > > Hello Thomas, > Is this them? > > 1871 census Escomb DUR > > RG10/4926 folio 22 page 38 > Escomb Lane > (looks like Watson & Braithwaite? perhaps the name of a row of cottages, > as there were a few pages with this address) > > Thomas ROWELL hd mar 40 coal miner NBL Allenheads > Mary Ann " wife 32 " Wark > Ann Elizabeth " dau 11 scholar NBL Allenheads > Emma " dau 9 " " " > William At. " son 7 " " " > Mary Ann " dau 1 DUR Escomb > > If I were you, I would have a look for yourself when you get the chance, > to see what you make of the address. > > 41 Albion Street is occupied by John Harris & family in 1871. > > Regards, > -- > Helen Oram > > ______________________________

Many, many thanks to Helen Oran for her look up on my Rowell family in Escomb. It was greatly appreciated. Thomas Rowell _________________________________________________________________ Share a single photo or an entire photo slide show right inside MSN® Messenger. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

I have the death certificate for what I think could be my 3 x great grandfather Anthony Nicholson who died March 1847 while living in Low Street. I was hoping the certificate would help me determine if he was mine, but he had the bad fortune to die of convulsions after falling in the river, so there is no family member shown anywhere as the coroner registered the death. Can anyone help me define where Low Street, Sunderland would have been in 1847, and the nearest church. I thought if I could find a burial record it would maybe give some more family information. I can find a Low Quay on an old map, but not Low Street. I'd also like to know where Swan's Buildings, Bishopwearmouth would have been in 1851? I can find no trace of that address at all. Thank you, Linda.

Hi List, My family of FORSTER were mainly lead miners. They lived in Stanhope/Rookhope, Durham. Can anyone help with which mine they would have worked please? Regards, Lesley. Essex.UK

In a message dated 28/07/2004 16:02:10 GMT Daylight Time, lesleystyles@hotmail.com writes: My family of FORSTER were mainly lead miners. They lived in Stanhope/Rookhope, Durham. Can anyone help with which mine they would have worked please? I note you do not mention any period. The Stanhope and Rookhope districts - indeed the whole of Weardale - was an intense lead-mining area from the early 17th century (at least) until the middle of the 19th century. Note that word "intense". If I were to include periods when there were just a few mines operating I would have to start much further back and go up to some time in the 20th century. A useful set of (rough and ready) statistics to remember is that in the mid-19th century 70% of the world's lead came from Britain and 70% of Britain's lead came from Weardale - ie 50% of all the lead produced in the whole world was from Weardale. Having said that, there were never any large, labour- and capital- intensive mines in the lead producing districts, such as there were in the coalfield. Lead mining did not lend itself to that sort of thing. Small mines were always starting up and closing down and sometimes deserted mines were re-opened. Some mines had only a handful of employees and many men combined lead mining with subsistence farming or other jobs. At the height of the boom - in the middle of the 19th century, some lead mines became fairly large concerns by the standards of the lead district - Killhope is well-known and there were a handful of others. Nevertheless, most men who could call themselves lead miners would always be working in small, sometimes family-manned mines. There was more intensive work at those mines where the ore was prepared for smelting - ie where there were crushing machinery, washing floors, etc - and of course at the smelters themselves of which at various times there were several in the mining area, but at others they were in or near the ports. It was always a matter of where was the best and most economic place to bering together a worthwhile amount of ore plus the necessary amount of coal, and that changed continually over time. I suggest you have a look at one of the OS 1st or 2nd edition 6-inch or better maps of the area and try counting up how many mines and "mine (disused)" names there are on it. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.