In a message dated 02/08/2004 21:51:34 GMT Daylight Time, stacey.gardner3@btopenworld.com writes: Also the residence of both people is given but writing is hard to read could it be "Fold Yard" or "Fold Gard" any ideas would be appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Rain's Eye Plan of 1785-90 there is a 'Horelys Fold' on High Street West roughly where 'The Faud' on High Street West between Dun Cow Street and Dunning Street, would have been. I don't know if there is any connection, but it is the only 'Fold' I can see. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
In a message dated 02/08/2004 21:51:34 GMT Daylight Time, stacey.gardner3@btopenworld.com writes: 1849 could someone please tell me the name of this church. Also the residence of both people is given but writing is hard to read could it be "Fold Yard" or "Fold Gard" any ideas would be appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. The parish church of Bishopwearmouth is St. Michael & All Angels. There was a place called 'The Faud' on High Street West between Dun Cow Street and Dunning Street, but there is no place called 'Fold Yard' of 'Fold Gard' in the street directory for 1858. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim
Hello everybody, My name is Mavis May & I am new to the list. I am hoping that someone with access to the 1871 census is able to help me look for the following people. Sarah Hannant was married in 1875 and the street she was living in was Lilburn St. St Pauls Sunderland.I was wondering if the rest of her family were living there. Her fathers name was William Hannant, mariner. Sarah married Jonathan Richard Donkin,he was living in High St. E. Sunderland, his fathers name was John Donkin, clerk. If there is anyone who could locate these families on the 1871 census. I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance best wishes Mavis, from Canada
Hello Listers, Would someone be kind enough to look up the 1841 census for Nicholas Copeland and wife Mary and Children Please. I do not know where exactly they were living, but probably Jesmond or Byker area? Their children were Hannah born abt 1831, Nicholas born abt 1834, Christopher born abt 1837 Hannah was born in Jesmond, Northumberland. Nicholas Junior born in Byker, Northumberland. Christopher born in Durham. Christopher Copeland was living or visiting his sister Hannah in 1891 Census at 33, Lamb Street, Walker, Longbenton,Northumberland. Mary Copeland Nee Wilson born 1808 in Whitehaven, Cumberland, England. and Living in 1881 at 1, Smashers Row, Longbenton, Northumberland. Nicholas Copeland I hope would be alive in 1851 census. He would have been born between 1806 -1808 Not sure if born in Whitehaven or Northumberland? I do not know what his occupation was. Is there someone that would also look up Hannah Copeland's Baptism please in All Saints, Newcastle, Northumberland on September 17, 1831 then maybe would be able to see what her father's occupation was? I have found a marriage for Nicholas Copeland and Mary Wilson in Saint Bees, Cumberland, England in 1827, I have not sent for the OPR though as I have had a few bad ones that could not be read, so until I know for sure they were my Hannah's parents and what Occupation Nicholas did I am jubious of sending for it. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves
Would SKS please do a look-up on the 1871 census for Usworth, Durham for the following family Thomas HALL (age NK) Barbara HALL (age 50) Jane HALL (age 18) I am looking for another child in this family (my GG grandmother) possibly named M(artha?) Ann HALL, although I had difficulty reading the baptism record for the first name - the initial was definitely M. She had an illegitimate daughter: Margaret Ann HALL born in 1868/9 (baptised 9 Feb 1869). In 1881 Margaret Ann is living with her grandmother (Barbara HALL) and aunt (married name: Jane ROBINSON). Margaret Ann HALL would be aged 2 on the 1871 census. Any help with this these families would be appreciated. Thanks Kevin
Kevin, I have sent you your 1871 census but you might be more interested in the 1861 census as you have a few more people to look at. I would hazard a guess that the one you seek is here. 1861 Census, Chester le Street District Usworth & North Biddick 1861 Census, Inkerman Row Thomas Hall, Head, married, 43, Coalminer, born Gateshead Low Fell, County Durham Barbara Hall, Wife, married, 46, born Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham Elizabeth Hall, daughter, 18, born Waldridge, County Durham Ann Hall, daughter, 11, born Castle Eden, County Durham Jane Hall, daughter, 8, born Little Chilton, County Durham George Hall, son, 6, born Byers Green, County Durham Charles Jackson, lodger, 18, Coalminer, born Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland I will send you the census image. By the way the son George was christened 21 Feb 1855 in Byers Green and Ann Hall was christened 8 April 1850 in St. Mary's (Monk Hesleden)-they lived in Castle Eden Colliery at the time. Janis
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Does anyone have any info on Thomas & Norah Hopkins nee Gray my granparents both were born in 1905 i.e.too for any online info. As far as I know Thomas was born in Ryhope,which was where they lived after marriage & Norah was born in Sunderland. Chris --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
In a message dated 31/07/2004 11:21:26 GMT Daylight Time, ch0pk1n5@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have any info on Thomas & Norah Hopkins nee Gray my granparents both were born in 1905 i.e.too for any online info. As far as I know Thomas was born in Ryhope,which was where they lived after marriage & Norah was born in Sunderland. Chris: You need their birth certrificates! Both would appear to have been born within the Sunderland Registation district, so it should be straightforward. Do a preliminary search of the GRO indexes (available in many reference libraries) to find the correct Quarter and then send a fee of £7 to the Superintendent Registrar at The Civic Centre, Sunderland. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.
Hello everyone Is Joseph 'William Fowler of any interest to anyone? Address 20 Victoria Street, Sacriston. Born circa 1912 and possibly a Roman Catholic. David Williams in Essex
Hi, Would someone please tell me if there are index published for the 1861 Census of Westgate,All Saint's,St Nicholas,St Andrew's Wards of Newcastle upon Tyne? And if so where is it available for purchase? -- Regards, Tony
----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Williams<mailto:williamslorid@msn.com> To: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS All put into place now. The first set listed, are the parents with the ramaining youngest children, the next one is Thomas and his wife with their children. One of the oldest boys who moved out and began a family. The last is the original family with all the children from 1861. Thank you everyone. I am awaiting the mail on Arthur Craggs and will update you all when I find who his parents were. From what I can gather Eleanor and William did not have children but adopted Arthur, their only child. His birth parents are in the Craggs family. I think one of her sisters had a child for her since she and William could not have one on their own. We will wait and see who that sister is. I am guessing either Mary or Margeret. Interesting how it all came together. Once again, everyone thank you a million times over. You are are the best! Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hamilton<mailto:annehamilton@ntlworld.com> To: ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS Hi Lori, Following on from Helen's 1861 census findings, Eleanor's parents William and Jane and various siblings mentioned in 1861 would also appear to be in Darlington on the 1881 census: William CRAGGS Head M Male 59 Aycliffe, Durham, England Railway Engine Driver Jane CRAGGS Wife M Female 58 Blackwell, Durham, England Margaret CRAGGS Daur U Female 26 Muggleswick, Durham, England William CRAGGS Son U Male 22 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Works Robert CRAGGS Son U Male 20 Muggleswick, Durham, England Engine Fitter (Apprentice) Source Information: Dwelling 18 Anns Terrace Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4889 / 40 Page Number 38 I think the Blackwell mentioned for the birthplace of Jane Craggs is an area of Darlington - perhaps someone can confirm this? .............................................................. Thomas CRAGGS Head M Male 34 Waskerley, Durham, England Engine Fitter At Wks Elizabeth CRAGGS Wife M Female 30 Sunderland, Durham, England Hannah CRAGGS Daur Female 8 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Thomas CRAGGS Son Male 6 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Elizabeth Taylor CRAGGS Daur Female 4 Dton, Durham, England Scholar Jane Burral CRAGGS Daur Female 2 Saltburn, York, England George Tate CRAGGS Son Male 4 m Dton, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 20 King St Census Place Darlington, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342176 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4888 / 128 Page Number 27 Having had a look at the FreeBMD site, there is a marriage registered Sep 1843 in Darlington for William Craggs and amongst the names there is a Jane Burrell. Looking at Thomas' family on the 1881 census above he has called one of his daughters Jane Burral Craggs - coincidence or not? Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Oram" <helen@wtoram.co.uk<mailto:helen@wtoram.co.uk>> To: <ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ENG-DURHAM-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR] Re: CRAGGS > Hi Lori, > I think I have found your CRAGGS family in the 1861 census, living at > Waskerley Park, which is on the moors roughly half way between Stanhope > & Muggleswick. > > Waskerley Park, near Muggleswick DUR > > RG9/3735 folio 80 page 19 > > William CRAGGS head, mar, 40 Engine Fitter born DUR Aycliffe > Jane " wife mar, 38? DUR Darlington > John " son unmar 17 Railway Clerk DUR Muggleswick > Thomas " son 14 Appr. Engine Fitter " " > Elenor " dau 11 scholar " " > Jane " " 9 " " > Margaret " " 6 " " > Mary " " 4 " " > William " son 2 " > Robert " " 5mth " > > As there was a family link with the Darlington area, this may explain > why they moved back there. > Hope this helps. > -- > Helen Oram > > > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== > ENG-DURHAM list specificaly covers all of County Durham > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html<http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/parishes.html> > ==== ENG-DURHAM Mailing List ==== Durham GenWeb Host http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~engdur/>
Yes, there is a very popular, and very good, open air museum at Killhope. (But you do need to take extra woollies, wellies and midge repellant!) I also have photographs of this, but they were taken sometime ago and are somewhere in a box! We went there first when they were raising funds to restore the wheel: you could 'buy' a rivet for the wheel for 1pound - with a share certificate to go with it. My 3 boys bought one each! Try: http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/usp.nsf/web/pages/killhope+index+page then follow 'about us' Cheers, Rosemary, Northumberland UK ............................................................ My Family History - mostly from England and Scotland And Photographs from the North of England http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/index.htm ............................................................ In a message of 30 Jul 2004 you wrote: | Might be of use to someone and could possibly be a place to start, I seem to remember many years ago that there was a lead mining museum/centre at a place called I think Killthope Wheel, about 10 miles West of Stanhope due to adverse weather we did not get to it | | | Chris In | | Kent
In a message dated 30/07/2004 01:06:34 GMT Daylight Time, ch0pk1n5@yahoo.com writes: Might be of use to someone and could possibly be a place to start, I seem to remember many years ago that there was a lead mining museum/centre at a place called I think Killthope Wheel, about 10 miles West of Stanhope due to adverse weather we did not get to it Killhope Museum is a major industrial museum, of national standing. That is why I mentioned Killhope (which had a washing floor etc) as being "one of the larger mines" with no more detail. The original question was, after all, about Rookhope, not Killhope. Killhope is very "school-party oriented" and therefore very child-friendly - which is not to say that adults are not welcome or will not get a great deal out of a visit. As Killhope is right at the top of Weardale, just below Killhope Cross, where the road crosses the hills towards Nenthead, becoming the highest main road in England in the process, be prepared to either approach it via Alston and Nenthead or else have a very long journey up Weardale. In a bad winter (like we used to get!), forget it. I once saw a bus parked on a main road near there, next to snow-drifts higher than it was - and that was at Easter! There has been lots written about lead mining in the NE in general. See "Lead Mining in the North Pennines" by Raistrick and Jennings, and also Les Turnbull's "The History of Lead Mining in the North East of England". Both are now no doubt well out of print, but a major Library might stock them. Raistrick and Jennings is old, seminal and serious, although illustrated with some photographs. Turnbull is intended for those new to the subject and is essentially a picture-book with informative captions - and a text as well. Other books such as Peter Bowles' "Clearing the Forest", a historical geographer's look at the history of Weardale, inevitably have a lot in them about lead mining. One or two of the papers in back numbers of the Durham County Local History Society's Bulletin are also relevant to this subject. Geoff Nicholson 57 Manor Park, Concord, WASHINGTON, Tyne & Wear NE37 2BU Long-established Professional Genealogist: ask for details of NBL/DUR family history research by THE local expert, working for YOU.
From googling on Lead Mining have got the following that someone might find useful! www.durham.gov.uk/killhope About Killhope ... Admission Price (2004). Surface. With mine. Useful information. ... Free Admission to Cafe and shop. Mine tours can be booked in advance. Tel: 01388 537505. ... www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/ usp.nsf/pws/killhope+-+About+Killhope - 14k - 27 Jul 2004 Lead Mines in Weardale, Co.Durham, England (Frameset) ... mine owners. Individuals are identified. The Lead mining bargains are in a frame which your browser is unable to read. ... www.johnstark.demon.co.uk/leadfram.htm --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Might be of use to someone and could possibly be a place to start, I seem to remember many years ago that there was a lead mining museum/centre at a place called I think Killthope Wheel, about 10 miles West of Stanhope due to adverse weather we did not get to it Chris In Kent --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
Hi All, For those of you interested in lead mining in Weardale and in other areas of the North Pennines, I took some photographs last week in Rookhope Valley. (Note that Rookhope is not pronounced Rook-hope: the second syllable is somewhere between 'ooop' and 'up', and very short! - can someone explain this better?) If you are interested, start by going to 'StreetMap': http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=387640&y=543480&z=5&sv=385000,545000&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf, -note it is a very long URL. Or go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and type in 'Allenheads'. On this map you can see, in the south-west square (bottom left) the sources of the Rivers Tyne, Tees and Wear - leading to Tynedale, Teesdale and Weardale. In the middle of the centre square of this map is Allenheads which is in Northumberland. In that area the county boundary follows the watershed between Weardale and Tynedale. The Rookhope Burn rises just on the border between Northumberland and Durham and flows south-east and then south to join the River Wear at Eastgate. I took some photographs when I was travelling south-eastwards along the road that runs parallel with the Rookhope Burn. As far as I know there were 2 mines working until quite recently in the Rookhope Valley. One has now been completely demolished, which is one of the reasons I stopped to take some photographs of the last one still standing, although not in use. One was called Grove Rake and the other Wolf Cleugh? I believe the photographs I have taken were of Grove Rake - can anyone clarify that for me? I have put them, hastily, online at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/index.htm - follow the links to Photographs, Durham, Rookhope. If anyone wants a copy of the original photos (about 200-250Mb each), let me know and I'll send them to you, but please be specific which ones you would like: I don't have broadband! I also have some photographs looking north, down towards Allenheads, where there was a lead mine from the early 1800s. It was still open until some time in the 1980s, but then run by British Steel mining for fluorspar. These are on the same website, but follow the links to Northumberland and Allenheads. Hope this helps someone, Rosemary, Northumberland UK ............................................................ My Family History - mostly from England and Scotland And Photographs from the North of England http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/index.htm ............................................................