I’ve just received a birth certificate of one of my great-grandmother’s siblings. The address on the certificate is given as Moat Side Lane, St Nicholas, County Durham. I can’t find this address via HYPERLINK "http://www.streetmap.co.uk/"www.streetmap.co.uk. In the informant’s column the address is Moat Side Lane, Durham. Can anyone tell me where this lane might have been in County Durham? Many thanks. Jo No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 27/04/2007 13:39 BullGuard Anti-virus has scanned this e-mail and found it clean. Try BullGuard for free: www.bullguard.com

In a message dated 28/04/2007 23:05:29 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Moatside Lane, is in the Parish of St. Nicholas, Durham City, near the Market Place. _____________________________________________________________________________ Go to http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm and search Durham City. Zoom in on the Castle and choose the 1919-1926 map. You will see Moatside lane marked at the bottom of the bank on the north side of the castle in line with the Framwellgate Bridge. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 28/04/2007 22:04:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Moat Side Lane, Durham. Can anyone tell me where this lane might have been in County Durham? ____________________________________________________________ Moatside Lane, is in the Parish of St. Nicholas, Durham City, near the Market Place. Regards Stan Mapstone

Please can someone help. When the emails come in the names are listed. However within the list on the header in "font 2." there is something printed that I cannot see the reason for: as per this AUG 18 1994 this came from a Durham poster yesterday. Some months ago a similar one came from the Derby list. I asked the sender then and he had no idea why it was there I am sorry for the length of this post but when put into google the date has many significent entries.. and its driving this oldie nuts! Sorry Josi in Hastings

Hi Listers, Just passing by to post my interests in the TANFIELD area of Durham. COWEN/DUFFY/BARTRAM/BARTREM Connecting names are - CURRAN/CURREN/BLANCHARD/BLANSHARD Hoping to make contact with others researching same families. Errol in Marysville, Victoria, Australia

Hell there Can someone tell me which geographical/local name eg Teeside the following villages may have been located in from 1770 to 1870 please? Kelloe, Tudhoe (Grange), West Rainton and Monkwearmouth. I see the different terms of a region or area but have trouble knowing whether my ancestors fitted into the reference. Just need some explanation of English terminology when relating to regions really! Thanks so much Meegan Darwin, Australia

In a message dated 26/04/2007 10:39:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Just need some explanation of English terminology when relating to regions really! _________________________________________________________ See Defining where places are is not straightforward as boundaries changed at various times. There is the township of Monkwearmouth in the borough of Sunderland. It is also part of the ancient Parish of Monkwearmouth. Tudhoe Grange in the township of Tudhoe forms part of the town of Spennymoor (which was formed as a separate parish from Whitworth in 1875) and was constituted a separate parish in 1875. In 1887, John Bartholomew's Gazetteer of the British Isles described Kelloe like this: "Kelloe, par., township, and vil., Durham - par. (containing Coxhoe, Thornley, Wingate, &c.), In 1870-72, John Marius Wilson's Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales described West Rainton like this: "RAINTON (West), a village, a township, and a chapelry, in Houghton-le-Spring parish, Durhamshire. http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/index.jsp http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/types/index.jsp Regards Stan Mapstone

Dear Eng- Durham Listers Is there a lister living in Bellingham and can they help me with the ( The four " Greynes") Regards Harold Protected by www.Spam-Stop.com {j3aphyY5BrZ2nDC8Na}

In a message dated 25/04/2007 20:31:18 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Dear Eng- Durham Listers Is there a lister living in Bellingham and can they help me with the ( The four " Greynes") Regards Harold Harold: I don't live in Bellingham but I do know a little about what have been called "The Four Graynes of North Tynedale". It's a rather romanticised way of referring to the four surnames which at one time dominated the Dale (ie the upper part of the valley of the River North Tyne). I have a paper which is probably an off-print from Archaeologia Aeliana of 1860 or 1861, entitled "North Tynedale and its four 'Surnames' In the Sixteenth Century", with the last four words in a different font to the rest, as though they constituted a sub-title. It begins: "At the monthly meeting of the Society of Antiquaries of Newcastle upon Tyne, held on 7th March 1860, Dr Charlton read the following paper:-". Dr Charlton, himself one of the Charltons of Hesleyside in North Tynedale, began by quoting Sir Robert Bowes who, in his report on the state of the Borders in 1550 had said: "The countreye of North Tynedaill, which is more plenished with wild and misdemeaned people, may make of men upon horsbak and upon foote about six hundred. They stand most by fower surnames, whereof the Charletons be the chief. And in all services or charge impressed upon that countrey, the Charltons, and such as be under their rule, be rated for the one half of that countrey, the Robsons for a quarter, and the Dodds and Mylbornes for another quarter. Of every surname there be certayne families or graves (graynes) of which there be certeyne hedesman that leadeth and answereth all for the rest". The rest of Dr Charlton's paper is an introduction to the subject of the Border Reivers, one that has been gone into at greater length by George MacDonald Fraser in "The Steel Bonnets", and much primary material for which was published in The Calendar of Border Papers. It is worth remembering that during the reiving period (Tudor days mainly, especially the reign of Queen Elizabeth I), upper North Tynedale was probably reasonably well populated - indeed overpopulated, that being the main reason for the reiving! by farming families, the land being mainly open rough (very) grazing. Later, farming seems to have declined and much of the upper valley became a hunting ground of the Duke of Northumberland, who built Keilder Castle as a hunting lodge. With the 20th century the valley was transformed, first by being planted up with so much coniferous forest as to constitute, when Keilder, Wark and Redesdale forests on the English side and the Scottish Border Forest (Wachhope) on the Scottish are taken together, the largest man-made forest in Europe. Later, that part close to the course of the river between Falstone and Keilder was flooded (to provide a water supply to industries on Tees-side that had mostly ceased to exist by the time all was completed), thus creating the largest man-made lake in Europe (Keilder Water, which has also been called the largest white elephant in Europe). Flooding valleys is always controversial, though planting open moorland with trees can alter the landscape just as much. In this case the overall effect is, let's say "pleasant", and Keilder Water looks every bit as though it has always been there and always in its setting of a vast forest. Like Catcleugh Reservoir in nearby Redesdale, it could well be mistaken by a disoriented traveller for a minor Scottish Loch. In the Reiving period, when such as passed for Law and Order was in the hands of the Wardens of the Marches, North Tynedale and its northerly neighbour, Redesdale, were both in the English Middle March. For further information, see the AA paper I have referred to, The Steel Bonnets, The Calendar of Border Papers, a booklet by a Dr ?Anderson from the Scottish side of the Border called "They Rode with the Moonlight", the New County History of Northumberland, a good historical geography book called "Upper North Tynedale", whose author's name eludes me (perhaps someone else knows it), etc, etc. Geoff Nicholson

Hi I wonder if anyone could help me I have a JOHN B WESTGARTH D.O.B ABT 1866 in BYKER ST ANTHONY NEWCASTLE NORTHUMBERLAND son of CUTHBERT D.O.B.ABT 1842 and ALICE D.O.B.ABT 1845 Could anyone confirm for me that he married a HANNAH D.O.B. ABT 1870 JOHN is on the 1891 census still with his parents so I believed he would have married between 1891 and 1901 Thank you for any help Jan

Hi Jan, That took some searching for. Two sources for you: 1] CWGC: Drury Robert. 20429 Private 13th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers Age 19 Date of death 28th December 1915 Son of William and Hannah Drury, 9 Mount Pleasant, Penshaw, Co Durham Buried in Houplines Communal Cemetery Extension Grave number I.B.7 2] SWDCD: [SWD] spells his name wrong and records a different date of death but it is the same name because I checked by Regiment rather than name only. 20429 Private Robert Duruy 13th Battalion, Northumberland Fusiliers Born Ouston, Durham Enlisted ShineyRow, Durham Killed in Action 26 December 1915 Theatre of War France and Flanders. It is doubtful that Robert was buried at Houplines at the time of his death. Houplines was extended after the end of the war and many bodies were reburied there from smaller gravesites around the battlefield area. The 13th Battalion was a Service Battalion. It was formed at Newcastle during September 1914 as part of K3 and moved to Halton Park into it higher formation of 62nd Brigade, 21st Division. During November 1914 they moved in winter quarters at Aylesbury. In May 1915 they moved back to Halton Park. During August 1915 they moved to Witley and during September 1915 the Battalion along with the 12th [Service] Battalion embarked for France. On the 10th August 1917 the 12th [Service] Battalion and the 13th [Service] Battalion amalgamated to form the 12/13th [Service] Battalion. They ended their war at Berlaimont on the 11th November 1918 still as part of 62nd Brigade, 21st Division. They were then returned to England and disbanded. Hope this is of some help Regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] Robert Drury WW1 > Hi > > Would anyone be able to look up a DOD, in WW1 records, for me please? > > Robert Drury was born in 1896 in Ouston and I have found a worn > inscription > on his brothers headstone showing that he was killed in action in France > on > Dec 28th 191? (inscription reads aged ?? years so that doesn't help > either) > I don't know anymore than that I'm afraid, this is the first Drury I've > come > across that wasn't a miner (his brother Oliver was killed in a mining > accident and it was the Durham Mining Museum that sent me the photo I got > this info > from!) > > Thank you > Jan > > Durham:- Down(e)s, Drury, Graham, Griev(e)son, Robinson, Tuttle > Middlesex:- Gelson > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you checked http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ Regards Stan Mapstone

Janet In 1901 John is married to Hannah and they have two children Mary A 9 and Annie C 6 RG 13 piece 4792 folio 128 page 43 John Binney Westgarth married in the June Quarter of 1891 at Newcastle Ref 10b 25 His bride is Hannah Little and they were married at St Anthony's Byker. Hope this helps Heather

You can search at http://www.cwgc.org/ Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Would anyone be able to look up a DOD, in WW1 records, for me please? Robert Drury was born in 1896 in Ouston and I have found a worn inscription on his brothers headstone showing that he was killed in action in France on Dec 28th 191? (inscription reads aged ?? years so that doesn't help either) I don't know anymore than that I'm afraid, this is the first Drury I've come across that wasn't a miner (his brother Oliver was killed in a mining accident and it was the Durham Mining Museum that sent me the photo I got this info from!) Thank you Jan Durham:- Down(e)s, Drury, Graham, Griev(e)son, Robinson, Tuttle Middlesex:- Gelson

Hello - back with lists after a break. Can anyone help with this mystery.I and at least one other descendant of this family are running out of ideas of where to look next. William HAMILTON ( Tanner - born 1793 Linthingow, Scotland) married Margaret RAMSAY ( b 3 Jul 1791 Linlithgow, Sc) 20 Feb 1813 Linthingow, Scotland. According to the obituary of one of their children there were 13 children. We can only find records of 9 and we are very keen to find birth, baptism or other records for the remaining 4 children. THE CHILDREN. 1. Agnes HAMILTON bap 12 Feb 1813 Linlithgow, Scotland 2. Janet HAMILTON bap 15 Oct 1815 Canongate, Edinburgh 3. Jessie HAMILTON b 1816 Edinburgh 4. Ann Maria HAMILTON bap 5 Apr 1818 Haddington, E Lothian, Scotland 5. Jane HAMILTON bap 21 Jul 1820 Canongate, Edinburgh 6. ? 7. ? 8. ? 9. ? 10. William HAMILTON b 28 Apr 1828 Boldon, Durham 11. Colin White HAMILTON bap 12 Jul 1829 Boldon, Durham 12. Eleanor HAMILTON bap 22 Jan 1832 Boldon, Durham 13. Mary HAMILTON bap 16 Apr 1834 Newcastle upon Tyne, St John. We know a fair amount about the 9 named children and their descendants but have found nothing about the four missing children. The Canongate, Haddington,Boldon and Newcastle St John parish registers have been searched and we have searched census records for clues. These four children could have been born on the road or boat from Edinburgh to the Tyne ( Tanners perhaps travelled with the cattle ?) ; they could have died when young or even at birth : they could have been baptised/buried in Scottish churches/chapels in Northumberland/Co Durham. Information on this family or ideas on where to look for the four missing children would be much appreciated. Thanks

In message <[email protected]>, Val <[email protected]> writes >Hi All, > >Can anyone help with this please > >I have Thomas KIRTON b Abt 1785 in Haswell,Durham married to Mary >Unknown what I would like to know is Mary's maiden name please. > >I think she died in 1838 still in Haswell. > >Any info appreciated. > >Regards > >Val > Hi Val, Here is a possible marriage at Pittington from GENUKI 22 Nov 1819 Thomas Kirton = Mary Clark <http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Pittington/index.h tml> There is also this less likely match from the IGI THOMAS KIRTON Marriages: Spouse: MARY PEARCE Family Marriage: 07 FEB 1805 Yarm, Yorkshire, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M106012 1751 - 1812 0919090 Film 6910765 Film Regards, -- Helen Oram

Hi All, Can anyone help with this please I have Thomas KIRTON b Abt 1785 in Haswell,Durham married to Mary Unknown what I would like to know is Mary's maiden name please. I think she died in 1838 still in Haswell. Any info appreciated. Regards Val

To Stan and Geoff, Thank you once again for your informative answers to my query. Now please - if anyone is visiting Gateshead Library I would be grateful if you could look up an address on the Electoral rolls. Anthea Lang at the library has been a great help and usually I would ask there but I know she and staff are very busy at present getting the place ready for the annual History Month. Anyway here's hoping. The family name is BROWN Robert and his wife Mary were at 127 Mansfield Street Gateshead (Parish of Ven Bede, South East Ward) on the 1901 census along with Matthew BROWN (Robert's father). I would llike to know if at all possible - When Matthew arrived at 127 and for how long he stayed. In 1891 he was at Ellison Square. Your help with this will be much appreciated Best wishes Pat

In a message dated 22/04/2007 22:55:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I would appreciate any guide in the right direction for possible burial records. ____________________________________________________________________ The burial records for all of the municipal cemeteries are available on microfilm at the Local Studies Centre at the City Library. A search of these records will allow you to find the name of the cemetery and grave number of the person you are seeking. http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/life-episodes/dwad/master/lflt-lo cating-a-grave.asp http://www.s underland.gov.uk/public/editable/life-episodes/dwad/master/cem-view-ward-plan.asp http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/Public/Editable/Life-Episodes/DWAD/Master/cems-in troduction.asp Regards Stan Mapstone