I would appreciate advice about Stots Pasture at Houghton Le Spring. It seems that my Robson ancestors were associated with it in the 1780s. Max Procter Victoria, ustralia

unsubscribe James (Jim) Nixon Lake Stevens [email protected] > From: [email protected]> Subject: ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 2, Issue 115> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:03:30 -0600> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Moody Little Lumley ([email protected])> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 04:13:47 EDT> From: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Moody Little Lumley> To: [email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"> > > Wendy:> > "Moody Little Lumley" indeed! I know what you mean but it isn't > really all that bad. > > Seriously, though, anyone living in the UK or who can get TV pictures of > the final England v W Indies Test Match, due to be played this weekend at > Chester le Street, and who has Lumley interests should watch out for the often > magnificent pictures of Lumley Castle in the background. You can't see > either Great or Little Lumley but the castle makes a great sight. However, it > does look as though it might be difficult to see through the rain on this > occasion - the whole Test could well be wiped out by the weather.> > Geoff Nicholson> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > To contact the ENG-DURHAM list administrator, send an email to> [email protected]> > To post a message to the ENG-DURHAM mailing list, send an email to [email protected]> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 2, Issue 115> ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live Hotmail, you can personalize your inbox with your favorite color. www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/personalize.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_HMWL_reten_addcolor_0607

Wendy: "Moody Little Lumley" indeed! I know what you mean but it isn't really all that bad. Seriously, though, anyone living in the UK or who can get TV pictures of the final England v W Indies Test Match, due to be played this weekend at Chester le Street, and who has Lumley interests should watch out for the often magnificent pictures of Lumley Castle in the background. You can't see either Great or Little Lumley but the castle makes a great sight. However, it does look as though it might be difficult to see through the rain on this occasion - the whole Test could well be wiped out by the weather. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Listers, Thanks for all your replies to my message regarding The Moody family from Chester-le Street. Since posting my last message i have found out that what i thought was the right George Moody wasnt. Their were 2 George Moody's born in the same year and in the same area. So the one i am researching for is a John Moody who married a Elizabeth Smailes in 1873 and had the following children Eleanor, Elizabeth, John, Samuel and Thomas any help much appreciated. Kind Regards Wendy

See also http://www.durham.gov.uk/gro/search.nsf/notes?openform Regards Stan Mapstone

See County Durham Registrars Certificates http://www.durham.gov.uk/gro/newgro.nsf/search?open&C0079804010401042005$ Regards Stan Mapstone

good morning :) I used to use the main GRO to obtain certificates online but I don't have a credit/ debit card at the moment and I have no idea how I go about getting the certificates I need when payment is by cheque. The last two I ordered straight from the registry office in question but the two I need this time are from Lanchester which closed in 1938 so could some kind person tell me what I need to do as I have come across info which means a whole line could be based on the wrong person with the same name :( thanks Jan ________________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE AOL Email account with 2GB of storage. Plus, share and store photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.

Thank you so much Geoff for all the information you have sent to me about my Leighton's it's been a great help,sorry I've not replied sooner but have been away. Regards Ann

Hi Listers, Anyone researching the Moody family from Chester le street especially a Thomas Moody born around 1855 married a Ann? Had the following children George born 1885 Joseph born 1891 Thomas born 1886 any information much appreciated Kind regards Wendy

In a message dated 12/06/2007 18:56:50 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Listers, Anyone researching the Moody family from Chester le street especially a Thomas Moody born around 1855 married a Ann? Had the following children George born 1885 Joseph born 1891 Thomas born 1886 any information much appreciated Kind regards Wendy Wendy: Perhaps this is relevant and perhaps it is not. For what it's worth (and from my Co Durham baptism index), the baptism of a Thomas Moody, son of John and Elizabeth of Wapping, is in the register of the Primitive Methodist Church at Flag Lane, Sunderland, under date 1 June 1853. I'm not sure whether this means that the child was taken in to the Chapel in Flag Lane, Sunderland, to be baptised, or whether the register in question was perhaps used as a Circuit Register at the time, entries beng made in it of baptisms all over Sunderland Primitive Methodist Circuit, Wapping included. Wapping was a pit village roughly on the site occupied by Burnmoor village today. Before Burnmoor became a parish of its own (1880s) it was part of the parish of Chester le Street. If your information that he had been born in Chester le Street came from eg a census entry then remember that it was normal for the place of birth to be stated as the name of the C of E parish concerned, even if the person referred to was in fact not C of E themselves - a Methodist, for example. Geoff Nicholson

Listers, My interests in County Durham are Fitzpatrick and Hannon. My gr gr grandfather was John Fitzpatrick. His father was Patrick "Patsey" Fitzpatrick. John married Sarah Hannon in 1853 in Haslingden. However, my gr grandmother, Mary Fitzpatrick McDermott was born in Bery Edge, County Durham. Sarah's father was Murty Hannon (unknown if Martin, Mortimer, or Murtagh was forename). I have the 1861 and 1871 censuses showing the Fitzpatrick Family in Newchurch Parish, Bacup. There is a James Hannen listed as a boarder, I am assuming it is Sarah's brother. On the 1861 census, Sarah is listed as having been born in County Mayo, Ireland. I have a lot of information on the Fitzpatrick side, but only what I mentioned above about the Hannon clan. Are there any Hannon connections in Lancashire, Durham, or surrounding areas? Bill in Peoria, IL., USA

Rejoining list after a break. Interested to hear from anyone also looking into the HOPPER family of Wolsingham. They were stone masons for several generations. Humphrey Hopper bapt. either 1712, Lanchester or 1719, St Margarets Durham. Married Margaret Hendrie, 1745 Lanchester. William Hopper Bapt.1746 Wolsingham. Married Hannah Suthern, 1782, Wolsingham John Hopper Bapt. 1782 Wolsingham. Married Jane Fenwick, 1802 Wolsingham. 11 children. William Hopper Bapt. 1807 Wolsingham. Married Ann Dixon, 1829, Wolsingham. 10 children. 1838 moved to Bishop Auckland briefly then to London. Robert Hopper Bapt. 1837 Wolsingham. Married Emma Hughes, 1857, Westminster, then Ann Wilhelmina Hemmings, 1874. William Hopper Bapt. 1863, Westminster Etc. Sheila Appleton (nee Hopper)

Many thanks to Stan and Geoff for their help - it's much appreciated Regards Ken Mason

In a message dated 04/06/2007 20:38:20 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Is there anyone on the list who could check the OPRs for more details on this marriage, taken from familyhistoryonline? Parish Bishopwearmouth, St. Michael alternatively Bishopwearmouth in county Dur Married on 29/10/1836 Groom James Masterton residence – other – Bride Ann Longstaff As the date you have given is before the beginning of Civil Registration on 1 July 1837 you will find very little "extra" detail on the original marriage entry, probably just the names of the witnesses and of the clergyman, plus a statement as to whether the wedding was after the calling of Banns or by Licence. As far as the addresses are concerned, there will probably be nothing said: it might say "of this parish" or, if either party was of some other parish, it will say so - "of the parish of Washington" for instance. Even that information could well be a red-herring, as "of" means just "living there at the time", without saying how long they had lived there and saying absolutely nothng, of course, about where they had been born! Another little point of nomenclature - we tend to keep the phrase "Old Parish Registers" (OPRs) for the Old (ie pre-1855) Parish Registers of Scotland, as indexed by the Registrar General for Scotland. It is not normally used in an English context. We sometimes refer to "ancient" parishes, but strictly speaking that means those in existence in the year 1600. At the period you mention there was no ambiguity in referring just to "Bishopwearmouth parish church" as there only was one. Later in the 19th century, as the population of the parish expanded, new parishes were formed out of the old St Michael's, and then it is advisable to mention the dedication, especially if you don't know which suburb each covered. Nowadays St Michael's has been re-named (pretentiously mis-named, I would say) "Sunderland Minster"! Geoff Nicholson

All listers, I am looking for Ann (Wallace ) Black in the Cornforth, Sedgefield area in 1881. Her dau , Mary Wilson returned to Cornforth, Sedgefield, Durham for the birth of 1st child, Margaret in 1881. Ann may have been workng as a Domestic servant in a household. Ann was born in Scotland, 1814. She was previously found on Ancestry.com in the 1861 census with husband, John Black at Thornley, Durham. Afterwards, no sign of her. John died at Coxhoe Colliery in 1863. Any ideas on where to search for more records on Sedgefield ? Appreciated. Regards, and Thanks Paul Francis To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone, Is there anyone on the list who could check the OPRs for more details on this marriage, taken from familyhistoryonline? Parish Bishopwearmouth, St. Michael alternatively Bishopwearmouth in county Dur Married on 29/10/1836 Groom James Masterton residence – other – Bride Ann Longstaff My gt gt gt grandmother's sister was Ann LONGSTAFF from Hamsterley, who married a Mr MASTERTON and I am wondering if this is the same couple. Many thanks in advance, Liz Coles in Munich

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hello there, Can anyone tell me which was the nearest catholic church which may have been used by catholics prior to Pontop hall? The Pontop hall records seem to start in 1778. I am wondering if the records before 1778 are missing or the church was founded in 1778 and another church was used before this date. Regards Rod Boyd _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? Click Here to Audition http://www.lightscameraaudition.co.uk

In a message dated 04/06/2007 12:22:54 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: hello there, Can anyone tell me which was the nearest catholic church which may have been used by catholics prior to Pontop hall? The Pontop hall records seem to start in 1778. I am wondering if the records before 1778 are missing or the church was founded in 1778 and another church was used before this date. Regards Rod Boyd Rod: As far as I know, the Pontop Hall registers, which begin in 1778 are the earliest there are. If there ever were any earlier ones (unlikely), then the volume seems to have been destroyed. Before 1778, however, Catholics would have been reluctant to commit anything to writing as there was still an element of persecution around, the Roman Catholic Relief Bill being passed only IN 1778. That is not to say that there were not Catholics in the district. There certainly were, but officially their meeting place is unknown. However, my own bet is that it had been at Pontop Hall for a long time, even during the period of persecution, as all the fitments of a church still remain there, hidden away in the loft space, which is, to say the least, not obvious to anyone looking at the building from the outside. After 1778 there was no need for such secrecy. I have this information from a C of E clergyman relative, now dead, who was shown the loft by the farmer (Pontop Hall, once a home of the Meaburns, a RC family, is now a farm-house) c1970. We should remember that the NE in general was a hot-bed of Roman Catholicism, especially amongst the land-owning families. I think they felt so secure as little monarchs on their own estates, remote from the centre of government, that at the reformation (1530s) they could dismiss the new ideas about the Church as just a London fad, something that would soon pass and which they need not take any notice of. Because of that, and because of their wealth, they were well-organised and at first they could well afford to pay their fines. However, it was a long time from the 1530s to the 18th century, the Rising of the Northern Earls (1569) and the Civil War (1640s) along the way both being seen as defeats for the RC party, amongst other things, so by the early 18th century many local RC families were becoming desperate, their estates mortgaged up to the hilt. That is one of the reasons behind the 1715 Jacobite Rebellion and the years of plotting that both preceded and followed it. The '45 was more complex, but out of the same mould, though it seems to have affected the NE less directly, and it may be no coincidence that 1788 was pretty well one generation after the '45, a period during which the Jacobite/Catholic threat had effectively died. As a final thought - can you imagine the feelings of the by-then cosy little group of wealthy land-owning Catholics when, as the NE became more and more industrialised, there began what was to become a torrent of immigration of Catholic families from Ireland? How did the rough, illiterate Irish labourers get on with the sophisticated local land-owners? Were the Irish encouraged to attend the same church as the locals, or were there "working-class" RC churches and "uppper-class" ones? Is it as simple as to say that urban ones were "working-class" and rural ones "upper-class"? Pontop, for instance, and it's successor at The Brooms, were typical of Co Durham in that the countryside had the air of being quite rural, yet there were very many coal mines around. From when was it a problem? 1800? The coming of the railways? The years of the potato famine? A lot of research has been done, I know, but there seems a lot more for someone interested in such things. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 04/06/2007 10:55:10 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Any ideas on where to search for more records on Sedgefield ? Paul: Sedgefield records in general are held in Durham County Record Office, the catalogue of which is on-line. Try Googling for Durham County Council and then try navigating through to the County Record Office. Geoff Nicholson PS Are you the same Paul Francis whom I remember from possibly more than one NDFHS week-end conference at Durham in the 80s/90s?