In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:39:22 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Im looking for a WILLIAM CARRICK on the 1871 and 1861 census. He was born around 1850 in Stanley, Lanchester, DURHAM. He married MARY JANE ELLWOOD, from the Shotton Colliery area, in 1878 in Easington. This request is not so much for a "look-up" as for a search, covering Shotton Colliery, Stanley and everywhere between (ie most of Co Durham) - quite a different kettle of fish, as they say! Geoff Nicholson

Hi Jan 1851 image sent offline. Hope it is the right one. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > Hi > Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census > for > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter > Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > I cannot confirm where or when he married > CHILDREN > GEORGE ABT 1849 > JANE ABT 1851 > WILLIAM ABT 1853 > JAMES ABT 1855 > MARY ABT 1859 > JOHN ABT 1861 > All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON > On the 1871 census they are in JARROW > but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. > > > WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 > born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer > JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 > born in WALLSEND > on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in > WILLINGTON > Thank you for any help you can give me > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jan I haven't found your family in 1851 ........... yet! In 1871 I found them but don't really understand the problem. Is it that you can't 'read' the writin, which is pretty awful or is there some other problem with them. They were living in a joint house with another family but with a different schedule number. Anyway, here goes with a transcription: PRO REF: RG10/5041: Folio 77: Schedule 9: 8 Ferry Street, Jarrow Wm WESTGARTH: Head: Mar: 45: Ship Wright Elizabeth do: Wife: Mar: 42: Geo L? Son: Unm: 22: Rivetter: William do: Son: Unm: 18: Blacksmith: James do: Son: Unm: 16: Mason Mary Elleanor do: Daur: 12: John Thomas do: Son: Unm: 10: All born Wallsend. I'll have another look for the 1851 family entry. Kind regards Judith K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hasler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] census help > Hi > Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census > for > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter > Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 > WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > I cannot confirm where or when he married > CHILDREN > GEORGE ABT 1849 > JANE ABT 1851 > WILLIAM ABT 1853 > JAMES ABT 1855 > MARY ABT 1859 > JOHN ABT 1861 > All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND > On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON > On the 1871 census they are in JARROW > but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. > > > WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were > WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 > born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer > JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 > born in WALLSEND > on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in > WILLINGTON > Thank you for any help you can give me > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census for WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND occupation on 1861 census ship carpenter Wife ELIZABETH STUBBS D.O.B. 1827 WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND I cannot confirm where or when he married CHILDREN GEORGE ABT 1849 JANE ABT 1851 WILLIAM ABT 1853 JAMES ABT 1855 MARY ABT 1859 JOHN ABT 1861 All born in WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND On the 1861 census they are in WILLINGTON On the 1871 census they are in JARROW but that is the census that I find very confusing and cannot make out. WILLIAM D.O.B. 1826 parents were WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B 05 FEB 1791 born in STANHOPE occupation coal trimmer JANE LIDDLE ABT 1793 born in WALLSEND on the 1841 and 1851 census they are living in WILLINGTON Thank you for any help you can give me Jan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 09:44:35 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: William's occupation as a "scholar" is surprising for someone his age, and a married man with two children! Perhaps he was taking some part-time night-school course or perhaps the transcriber mis-read whatever it does say. You will need to look iup the original and decide that for yourself. ________________________________________________ It is actually 'Shipwright' on the original!! Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 09:02:12 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Sorry for not putting enough information.Trying to locate the 1851 census for WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 WALLSEND NORTHUMBERLAND Jan: On the NDFHS index to the 1851 census of Wallsend there are: Wesgarth Elizabeth WI M 23 Wallsend NBL 67/2 1C Wesgarth George Stubbs SO U 2 Wallsend NBL 67/2 1C Wesgarth Mary Ann DA U 6M Wallsend NBL 67/2 1C Wesgarth William HD M 26 Scholar Wallsend NBL 67/2 1C Note the way in which the surname has been spelled. Being taken from an index the order of the entries is alphabetic, as above, and the details given are as above. The references are non-standard and consist of the folio number and the enumeration district number. I would therefore have given the references as "1851 census, piece HO 107/2409, folio 67. "67/2" would be, more correctly "67v", though it should hardly be necessary to mention whether the entry is on the recto or the verso! William's occupation as a "scholar" is surprising for someone his age, and a married man with two children! Perhaps he was taking some part-time night-school course or perhaps the transcriber mis-read whatever it does say. You will need to look iup the original and decide that for yourself. The description of the enumeration district is: "All that part of the township of Wallsend situated on the north side of the Newcastle and Shields turnpike from Mr Dodds shoemaker on the west, Mr Dodds farm on the north and front of Church Bank on the west including within these limits Turnpike Road, West Row, Shiney Row, Bridge Row, Swan Row and Wallsend Village." One of those "west" words will be a mis-reading for "east"! Probably it should say "Church Bank on the east", as Church Bank is well east of old Wallsend Village. I strongly recommend the NDFHS indexes to the 1851 census. They are reasonably priced and are available as microfiche, booklets and/or CD-ROMs. They cover the whole of Northumberland and Co Durham apart from those southern parts of Co Durham covered by Cleveland FHS. Within the NDFHS district there is now the whole of Tyne and Wear. See _www.ndfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ndfhs.org.uk) . An index to Wallsend baptisms 1813-39 is also available from the NFDHS (Ancestral Indexes section). Geoff Nicholson

Hi I wonder if anyone could help me I have a WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 born in NORTHUMBERLAND on the 1841 census he is at home with his parents who are WILLIAM and JANE I cannot find any record of him on the 1851 census he then appears on the 1861 census with his wife ELIZABETH and all the children he is also on the 1871 census but I am still trying to make sense of that one Could anyone please help me to locate him on the the 1851 census and also make sense out of the 1871 census Thank you Jan

In a message dated 21/07/2007 13:42:26 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I wonder if anyone could help me I have a WILLIAM WESTGARTH D.O.B. ABT 1826 born in NORTHUMBERLAND on the 1841 census he is at home with his parents who are WILLIAM and JANE. I cannot find any record of him on the 1851 census he then appears on the 1861 census with his wife ELIZABETH and all the children he is also on the 1871 census but I am still trying to make sense of that one. Could anyone please help me to locate him on the the 1851 census and also make sense out of the 1871 census This request would be a lot more appealing if you could give us some idea of where he lived in the various censuses in which you have already found him! In particular, where was he in 1841 and in 1861? Also, when you mention "all" the children - how many was "all"? What was his occupation? If he was a coal miner or a farm labourer then he was one of a group of workers who moved around quite a lot so he may have strayed almost anywhere in the NE (or in the coalfield). However, if he had some other, more settled, occupation, then we might expect to find him somewhere close to his 1841 or his 1861 address. It would also help to know where he married. Have you looked at the GRO indexes (free on Ancestry.co.uk and on FreeBMD) to find that? Even if you haven't bought the certificate, just the name of the registration district would be a clue, although his "address" as reported on the certificate would be better - the location of the wedding might also be a big clue. Were any of his children born close to 1851? If so then their birth certificate would tell us where he was living then. Geoff Nicholson Geoff Nicholson

A Sunderland Cemetery Index is being created at http://www.sunderlandward.co.uk/ Stan

Hi everyone. I am new to this list. I live in South Africa and am researching my father line of Taylor. I understand that George Bowes Taylor B1798 in Chester le Street married Mary Ann Jefferson in 1845. He was previously married to Sarah Ann Garside who died after them having had 6 children. They had a son George Jefferson Taylor B1852 in Liverpool. Mary, I am told, was born Rothwell and married a Mr Jefferson, whom I do not know. But census records her as being born Jefferson, having a brother Carr Jefferson. I know that he came across to South Africa and married an Isabella Ellena Alice Turvey who was born in 1857, but records show them as married in 1862 which obviously would be impossible. I am trying to trace which year or even decade that he came across to South Africa. I can't find him in the South African records, only on a Power of Attorney to pass a bond by his son Charles Jefferson Strathmore Bowes Taylor who was 20 years old and needed to be duly assisted by his father, reflected as George Jefferson Taylor. The records that have him married in 1862 reflect him as George Taylor. Does anyone have any information for me on George Jefferson Taylor? And if possible, Mary Ann Jefferson/Rothwell? Kind regards Jackie

Hi Listers I am new to this list. I recently found my g-grandfather James Newton in Durham living at Willington New Row. He was born in Hawarden North Wales and later moved to Monks Coppenhall Cheshire. He married a Margaret Dover in 1853 living in Willington New Row and two years later he married an Ann Coulthard living in Willington New Row. They were married in the Branch.....? Parish Church. Can SKS please tell me what Parish it would be and what was the name of the church. Also was Willington New Row miner's housing in the 1850's. Any assistance most appreciated. Joy, Kerikeri, NZ _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us

In a message dated 14/07/2007 15:30:57 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Newbottle was Neubotl in 1196, according to "The Oxford Names Companion". It means 'new building' from the Old English nīwe + bōthl Regards Stan Mapstone Stan: If we go back a further 13 years we reach 1183, and Boldon Book (often called "the Co Durham equivalent of Domesday Book"). There, according to my Phillimore edition, it is called "Neubottil". -bottle is quite a common place-name ending in the NE, giving us Newbottle, Harbottle, Shilbottle, Lorbottle, Walbottle, etc, etc, as well as Bothal (Northumberland) and various others. It is also the same root as Bothy. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 14/07/2007 10:36:04 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Newbottle, near Houghton le Spring is probably an even older _____________________________________________________________________ Newbottle was Neubotl in 1196, according to "The Oxford Names Companion". It means 'new building' from the Old English nīwe + bōthl Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi all, Seeking anyone who is related to a Harold SHORT son of Jacob and Charlotte SHORT nee DAVIE from the Bristol area Regards Ken ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

In a message dated 14/07/2007 10:27:03 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seeking anyone who is related to a Harold SHORT son of Jacob and Charlotte SHORT nee DAVIE from the Bristol area Ken, 1 What is the connection to Durham (City or County)? Bristol is at the other end of the country to Durham! 2 What period are we talking about? 3 What specifically are you hoping to discover about this person? Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 14/07/2007 01:14:54 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am new to this list. I recently found my g-grandfather James Newton in Durham living at Willington New Row. He was born in Hawarden North Wales and later moved to Monks Coppenhall Cheshire. He married a Margaret Dover in 1853 living in Willington New Row and two years later he married an Ann Coulthard living in Willington New Row. They were married in the Branch.....? Parish Church. Can SKS please tell me what Parish it would be and what was the name of the church. Also was Willington New Row miner's housing in the 1850's. Any assistance most appreciated. Joy: I agree with Stan that Branch---- will be a mis-reading of Brancepeth. The term "New Row" is found in several places in the Co Durham coalfield. If a new pit was opened close to an older one, or if an existing pit became larger, though working more seams or through extending its workings into new districts, then the workforce would increase and new housing would be built in the local pit village to accommodate them and their families. In the pit villages the miners usually lived in "stone-built terraces", almost always called "Rows". Their names often indicate a sad lack of imagination on the part of those who named them - Long Row, Short Row, North (South, East or West) Row, High Row, Low Row, etc. Other common names are such as Chapel Row, Office Row, Store Row, Deputies' Row and often in cases such as this one, "New Row". In Washington, where I live, the older Rows became "The Old Rows" as soon as the New Rows were built (c1880s), and although they themselves are long demolished and replaced by shops and a bus station some older people still refer to that district as "The New Rows". Sometimes, when a pit village was built from scratch close to an older non-mining settlement, it became known as "New", followed by the name of the older village. An example close to Willington is New Brancepeth, but there are also New Herrington, New Lambton and many others. The district around the New Rows in Washington became "New Washington" but when Washington became a New Town the Development Corporation decided that wouldn't do, so it was transmuted into "Concord". We should not forget, either, how long a name can stick. "New" does not have to mean "recently built"! It is well over 900 years since the old wooden castle on the River Tyne was replaced by a "New" stone one, yet that castle and the whole City which now surrounds it, is still called "Newcastle" (aka The Toon). Newbottle, near Houghton le Spring is probably an even older "New", older than many of the "Newton" villages. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Joy, Willington was in the parishes of Brancepeth St. Brandon (-1843) Crook St. Catherine (1843 - 1857) Willington St. Stephen (1857 -) http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 13/07/2007 16:06:36 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seeking information on the birth family of Margarete WESTWOOD who married John Horseley 1786 in Sunderland. ___________________________________________________________ That from a record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. Margaret Westwood, John Horseley Marriage: 09 MAY 1786 Sunderland, Durham, England This is from the Parish register transcripts of Sunderland 1719-1879 Church of England. Parish Church of Sunderland (Durham) Margaret Westwood JOHN HASLEY Marriage: 09 MAY 1786 Sunderland, Durham, England The Parish Register Transcripts are to be trusted more than a patron submission Regards Stan Mapstone

Seeking information on the birth family of Margarete WESTWOOD who married John Horseley 1786 in Sunderland. The family remained in Sunderland, with one daughter I know of, Jane. Perhaps other children. I estimate Margaret's birthdate at 1765, but I do not have any further information on her family. Any assistance or suggestions are appreciated. Bruce Martin Houston TX USA

Came across this interesting site Pit villages – the mining community http://www.ingenious.org.uk/Read/Work/Coalculture/Pitvillages/ Regards Stan Mapstone