Am looking for a birth date and any information for Jacob Grieve of Durham. He was an attorney-at-law and he married Jane Bowes, daughter of Thomas Bowes esquire of Bradley Hall. Also they had a daughter Elizabeth Mary Grieve who was christened on 19 Sept 1759 and who in turn married Robert Taylor. Any information regarding Elizabeth and Robert also appreciated. I do know that Robert was a divinity student but was never fully ordained as when his father, Anthony, died and Robert had to give up the church and look after the family estate. According to a letter written by their great great granddaughter Robert the family estate was the Great House, Great Lumley. They had 10 children who grew up in this house, the house of which I can find no history. Also, Elizabeth M Grieve was orphaned early but was left by her mother two estates named Gibside and Highfriars. Now, I can find Gibside, but I cannot find Highfriars. Any takers on this? Regards Jackie (South Africa)

There is one document listed at A2A (Access to Archives). I entered jacob grieve. Also, I google'd google book search and you will find a few more references to him, not much info. there but could point you in the right direction, Lynne. Papers of the North of England Institute of Mining and Mechanical Engineers Catalogue Ref. NRO 3410 Johnson Collection FILE - Colliery Deeds and Leases - ref. NRO 3410/John/1 - date: 1717 - 1773 item: [no title] - ref. NRO 3410/John/1/134 - date: 5 Dec 1758 [from Scope and Content] Lease for 28 years from Jacob Grieve of Durham, gent, to Alice, Lady Windsor, of a wayleave over High Friar Side, Tanfield, from Collierly and Lintz Hall Collieries > > In a message dated 28/08/2007 08:54:50 GMT Daylight > Time, [email protected] > writes: > > Am looking for a birth date and any information for > Jacob Grieve of Durham. > He was an attorney-at-law and he married Jane > Bowes, daughter of Thomas > Bowes esquire of Bradley Hall. > > Also they had a daughter Elizabeth Mary Grieve who > was christened on 19 Sept > 1759 and who in turn married Robert Taylor. Any > information regarding > Elizabeth and Robert also appreciated. I do know > that Robert was a divinity > student but was never fully ordained as when his > father, Anthony, died and > Robert had to give up the church and look after the > family estate. > According to a letter written by their great great > granddaughter Robert the > family estate was the Great House, Great Lumley. > They had 10 children who > grew up in this house, the house of which I can > find no history. > > Also, Elizabeth M Grieve was orphaned early but was > left by her mother two > estates named Gibside and Highfriars. Now, I can > find Gibside, but I cannot > find Highfriars. Any takers on this? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Many thanks Stan, I was able to track the change from 1890 to the present day. Next time we are visiting the City I shall take the tour and show my wife one of the areas her great grandfather lived in. We have already found his grave thanks to your listing of the link to the cemetery indexes and thanks to the lady who is doing the indexing. Keith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 25 August 2007 08:05 To: [email protected] Subject: ENG-DURHAM Digest, Vol 2, Issue 168 Today's Topics: 1. Re: old map of Sunderland ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:45:34 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] old map of Sunderland To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Keith, There are old maps at http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm Stan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 24/08/2007 14:59

Hi Keith, There are old maps at http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm Stan

Some time ago a very kind person listed a site which had an old map of Sunderland. Unfortunately I did not backup my hard drive before it crashed. Could I ask please? For the information to be repeated, as I am trying to locate Dock Street in Monkswearmouth. An ancestor one George Greatrex Lived at 3 Dock Street and was an Inn Keeper when he died in 1895. I live in Middlesbrough and know from visits to Sunderland that, that area has completely changed. TIA Keith Foreman No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/967 - Release Date: 22/08/2007 18:51

Hi Shannon, Thanks for your email & the instructions on how to use "Familysearch", I followed these & now see how you got the info, Thanks. I notice your address ends with ".ca", are you somewhere in (like me,London,Ontario) somewhere in Canada. Regards, Malcolm (Campbell) > When you enter the name, the page that comes up is a listing of > different documents - they are grouped as you scroll down the page - in > this case, the first group is Ancestral File, the next is Census - 1880 > US Census, the next is Census - 1881 British Census - this is what I was > interested in - I glanced down the list and saw that there was a Samuel > Burrell from Durham: > > 75. Samuel BURRELL - 1881 British Census / Durham > Head Gender: Male Birth: <1823> Lanchester, Durham, England > > Then I clicked on his underlined name and the page changed to the census > information: > > > > >

In a message dated 23/08/2007 08:50:07 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Rather than purchasing records on fiche or CD, here in Sydney I'll need to order an LDS film and your advice seems to indicate that the BT's and PR's will have lots of detail for the period I am looking at. David: Yes, getting a film of the original registers from the LDS is perhaps the best way of going about things for you. However, the BTs have not been filmed as far as I know. In any case, in Durham Diocese the BTs do not normally go back any further than the 1760s - ie just one more generation beyond where you have already reached. Hence you would be better concentrating on the parish registers. One LDS film will probably go further back than that. If films of the H M Wood transcripts are available (they have been filmed and copies are available here but I don't know whether it was the LDS that did it) then they may be a lot easier to use. Geoff Nicholson Geoff Nicholson

Dear Listers, I have a large family of Tinklers with the first 4 children being born in Staindrop 1799-1806 and the next 5 in Bishop Middleham 1808-1819. My problem is finding anything on their parents Michael Tinkler and Mary Alderson. Can anyone help with births of these two and their marriage which would have been around 1798. Any help would be appreciated. Regards David

Hi Patricia I did a search and couldn't find anyone that matched him. Regards Liz Vincent 02 4677 2044 / 0419 003 806 P.O. Box 111 Picton NSW 2571 Australia [email protected] www.lizvincenttours.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] 1871 Census lookup.....William BLYTH[E] > I wonder if anyone on the list can help me with a lookup of the Durham 1871 census for - > > William BLYTH[E] would be aged around 24 yrs, born Linkinhorne Cornwall, a miner > Mary BLYTH[E] his wife, aged around 28 year, born Cornwall. > Elizabeth Ann BLYTH[E] dau, aged around 4 yrs, born Linkinhorne, Cornwall. > They lived in Le Houghton Springs when their daughter Hannah was born in 1872, so they may be there in 1871. > Thankyou in anticipation. > Also love to hear from anyone connected to this family. > Pat > South Australia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder if anyone on the list can help me with a lookup of the Durham 1871 census for - William BLYTH[E] would be aged around 24 yrs, born Linkinhorne Cornwall, a miner Mary BLYTH[E] his wife, aged around 28 year, born Cornwall. Elizabeth Ann BLYTH[E] dau, aged around 4 yrs, born Linkinhorne, Cornwall. They lived in Le Houghton Springs when their daughter Hannah was born in 1872, so they may be there in 1871. Thankyou in anticipation. Also love to hear from anyone connected to this family. Pat South Australia

Shannon, not conclusive I am afraid. On the 1841 census, Samuel was with a Samuel aged 72 and a Mary aged 40. This could be his parents, his mother and Grandfather or unrelated, the 1841 does not give relationships. I have sent the census images off line. Richard Shaw Manufacturing Manager Aqualisa Products Ltd Registered in England & Wales Registration Number 1281596 "Greg and Shannon" <[email protected] To ca> <[email protected]> Sent by: cc eng-durham-bounce [email protected] Subject [ENG-DURHAM] Durham Census Look Up 22/08/2007 12:48 I was able to retrieve this information from familysearch.org and was wondering if someone could check an earlier census to see if we could find Samuel's parents names.. Thanks so much, Shannon ________________________________________________________________________ __________________ Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Samuel BURRELL Head M Male 58 Lanchester, Durham, England Farmer Of 39 Acres Ann BURRELL Wife M Female 56 Winlaton, Durham, England Joseph BURRELL Son U Male 34 Dalton Le Dale, Durham, England Assurance Agent John BURRELL Son U Male 19 Winlaton, Durham, England Coal Miner Margaret BURRELL Daur U Female 15 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar Isabella BURRELL Daur Female 12 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar Septimus J. BURRELL Son Male 10 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Source Information: Dwelling Broomhill Census Place Medomsley, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342190 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4950 / 29 Page Number 52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 5:43 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 22/08/2007 13:03:02 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have a large family of Tinklers with the first 4 children being born in Staindrop 1799-1806 and the next 5 in Bishop Middleham 1808-1819. My problem is finding anything on their parents Michael Tinkler and Mary Alderson. Can anyone help with births of these two and their marriage which would have been around 1798. David: Your problem should be a simple one. You are lucky in that these people were almost all born, an dpresumably baptised, during the "Barrington period" (1798-1812), when Shute Barrington, Bishop of Durham, ordered that all baptism registers within his Diocese should be kept in great detail, resulting in entries rather like the "Dade" ones found in some other parts of England. Amongst the information given is the maiden name of the mother and the name of the parish(es) of which each parent was a native. All you need to do is to access either a microfilm of the original registers (Durham County Record Office: they have a reasonably-priced "look-up" service) or else a copy or a microfilm/fiche of the H M Wood transcripts (Newcastle Central Library or available for purchase on fiche from Northfiche). Other transcripts and indexes will not have this detail. The IGI could be used to confirm the baptism dates and hte mother's maiden surname. It is much to be regretted that Rose's Act came into force on 1 January 1813, creating a uniform regime for the keeping of baptism registers throughout the country. What was a good step forward for most of the country was a great step back for Durham Diocese! Geoff Nicholson

Hi Shannon, How were you able to get info. from familysearch.org? I just went to that site, & all I got was Samuel Burrell, I wonder what I am doing wrong. I have just started, & would like to get as much of my info. myself, instead of bothering others, nor do I have any census's on CD's. Thanks for any help. Regards, Malcolm Campbell, London,Ontario,Canada Greg and Shannon wrote: > I was able to retrieve this information from familysearch.org

RG10 Piece 4980 Folio 48 page 50 Bank Top, Newbottle William Blythe Head Mar 25 Coalminer Cornwall Mary Blythe Wife Mar 26 Cornwall Elizabeth A Blythe Daur 5 Cornwall Richard Shaw Manufacturing Manager Aqualisa Products Ltd Registered in England & Wales Registration Number 1281596

I was able to retrieve this information from familysearch.org and was wondering if someone could check an earlier census to see if we could find Samuel's parents names.. Thanks so much, Shannon ________________________________________________________________________ __________________ Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Samuel BURRELL Head M Male 58 Lanchester, Durham, England Farmer Of 39 Acres Ann BURRELL Wife M Female 56 Winlaton, Durham, England Joseph BURRELL Son U Male 34 Dalton Le Dale, Durham, England Assurance Agent John BURRELL Son U Male 19 Winlaton, Durham, England Coal Miner Margaret BURRELL Daur U Female 15 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar Isabella BURRELL Daur Female 12 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar Septimus J. BURRELL Son Male 10 Lanchester, Durham, England Scholar ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Source Information: Dwelling Broomhill Census Place Medomsley, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342190 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4950 / 29 Page Number 52 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.0/959 - Release Date: 8/17/2007 5:43 PM

In a message dated 22/08/2007 07:27:48 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I wonder if anyone on the list can help me with a lookup of the Durham 1871 census for - William BLYTH[E] would be aged around 24 yrs, born Linkinhorne Cornwall, a miner Mary BLYTH[E] his wife, aged around 28 year, born Cornwall. Elizabeth Ann BLYTH[E] dau, aged around 4 yrs, born Linkinhorne, Cornwall. They lived in Le Houghton Springs when their daughter Hannah was born in 1872, so they may be there in 1871. Further to earlier answers, the name of the place is NOT "Le Houghton Springs" but Houghton le Spring. It is an ancient parish (ie existing in 1600) and during the 18th and 19th centuries became subdivided into eg Penshaw, West Rainton, East Rainton, Hetton le Hole, Newbottle, etc. Its name comes from its mediaeval ownership by a family named L'Espring. As a point of English, I don't think it is right to ask for a "look-up" when precise details (piece number and folio or else complete address) are not supplied. If the "looker-up" is not told precisely where to look then what is required is a search, not a look-up. The danger here is that since a search of the microfilm of the enumerators' notebooks could be lengthy, a respondent may well search only in an index, possibly an unreliable or on-line one, and that could introduce errors. I am not saying that that is what happened here - I just don't know. Incidentally, Newbottle is about a mile north of Houghton le Spring, and became a parish of its own in the 1840s. Geoff Nicholson

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Many thanks to Geoff, JK and Arthur for explaining this mystery to me, I appreciate you taking time to answer my post, Lynne.

I beg to differ from Geoff's explanation. Lynne's first suggestion is correct: when vicars, registrars etc make corrections in registers, they have to number each one in exactly the way she describes - figures by the alteration, and the number (in words) and initials in the RH margin. Anything in the RH margin should be reproduced on a certificate to the right of the printed boxes, and this is why you'll sometimes get a certificate with a diagonal strike-through to the right of the boxes, indicating that there were no marginal notes to copy. Arthur > In a message dated 18/08/2007 20:13:05 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > Hi, Regarding a birth certificate, in the "name and > surname of father" box the registrar started writing > the mother's name "Jan", (mother's name was Jane), and > put a line through it and the number 23. On the right > of the last box on the right he wrote "Twenty three > J.E." JE being his initials. Was this simply to > confirm that he, the Registrar, had made the mistake > or that there is another list somewhere giving an > explanation for no father's name being listed, or some > other reason entirely? Any help will be greatly > appreciated, thank you, Lynne. [email protected] replied: > It was just the registrar explaining the crossing-out, admitting > his > mistake and quoting regulation no 23, which allowed him to make the > alteration.