Many thanks to all that have contributed so promptly & in great detail to my question. <<>> Maybe Alan will let us know if and when he orders the birth certificate or pays the £6 to view the Scottish census. Hopefully, this is his family. <<>> The issue of the transcription error on the Scottish census will have to wait for a few days as this is not my family, but that of a friend who had "lost" her grandfather. Now found I will have to wait on her decision, but if a certificate or census is purchased, I will most certainly share that result with the list. Regards, Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia

Tudhoe may well be correct as the Scottish census transcript says Turhone, England. However Tudhoe is in the Durham Registration District. J.T.A.. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HllYAH@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN > > Hi Geoff > > I agree that the birthplace information recorded on a census can > sometimes > only be used as a guide. I have often found that the older someone > becomes the > more general the location of birth becomes. > > With this in mind, I had also informed Alan of the Hartlepool Borough > Council website/Teesvalley-indexes site where there is a birth > registration that is > a likely contender, and for which a certificate can be requested, provided > the details he submits are in agreement. > > Furthermore, on an earlier census (transcription details sent) the > birthplace of James Murphy was transcribed as 'Turhone'. The original > census image > has not been seen as it the Scottish census and these are available only > (as > far as I am aware) on a pay to view facility. Perhaps with your > knowledge of > this area you could suggest to Alan where, or what, 'Turhone' might be in > the > West Hartlepool area. > > Best wishes > Yvonne. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Turhone sounds like a phonetic rendering of Tyrone as in Co Tyrone, Ireland to me. Mr J.T. Arthur. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HllYAH@aol.com> To: <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] JAMES JORDAN MURPHY - WHERE BORN > > Hi Geoff > > I agree that the birthplace information recorded on a census can > sometimes > only be used as a guide. I have often found that the older someone > becomes the > more general the location of birth becomes. > > With this in mind, I had also informed Alan of the Hartlepool Borough > Council website/Teesvalley-indexes site where there is a birth > registration that is > a likely contender, and for which a certificate can be requested, provided > the details he submits are in agreement. > > Furthermore, on an earlier census (transcription details sent) the > birthplace of James Murphy was transcribed as 'Turhone'. The original > census image > has not been seen as it the Scottish census and these are available only > (as > far as I am aware) on a pay to view facility. Perhaps with your > knowledge of > this area you could suggest to Alan where, or what, 'Turhone' might be in > the > West Hartlepool area. > > Best wishes > Yvonne. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

JTA and Geoff I can see the reasoning in Tyrone, especially as I noted the mother was Irish, and Tudhoe. However, having again looked at the census, they were living in the parish of Stranton at one time (1861 I think) which is part of West Hartlepool. I would suggest this is the place. Maybe Alan will let us know if and when he orders the birth certificate or pays the £6 to view the Scottish census. Hopefully, this is his family. Rgds Yvonne. In a message dated 03/03/2009 17:39:37 GMT Standard Time, NEGenealogy@aol.com writes: In a message dated 03/03/2009 14:10:00 GMT Standard Time, HllYAH@aol.com writes: Furthermore, on an earlier census (transcription details sent) the birthplace of James Murphy was transcribed as 'Turhone' My first reaction to this, thinking on a "Co Durham" basis, was that it would probably be Tudhoe, NE of Spennymoor, but considering that the surname involved is Murphy, hardly a Co Durham name, then my second thought is to agree that Tyrone seems much more likely. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 03/03/2009 14:10:00 GMT Standard Time, HllYAH@aol.com writes: Furthermore, on an earlier census (transcription details sent) the birthplace of James Murphy was transcribed as 'Turhone' My first reaction to this, thinking on a "Co Durham" basis, was that it would probably be Tudhoe, NE of Spennymoor, but considering that the surname involved is Murphy, hardly a Co Durham name, then my second thought is to agree that Tyrone seems much more likely. Geoff Nicholson

I am searching for the birth place and date of James Jordan Murphy. James was born about 1865 He married Margaret Benson in St Bennet's Church Sunderland in 1889 In the 1891 census he is with his wife (who is listed as Barbara) and their son William at 37 Southwick Lane, Southwick James birth place is given as Hartlepool, but no registration seems to exist on FreeBMD for James in that parish around that time. James died in 1893 in Sunderland. His marriage certificate lists his father's name as John Murphy. Are there any other records/indexes which might reveal his true birth place and his parents names ?. Alan

Hi Geoff I agree that the birthplace information recorded on a census can sometimes only be used as a guide. I have often found that the older someone becomes the more general the location of birth becomes. With this in mind, I had also informed Alan of the Hartlepool Borough Council website/Teesvalley-indexes site where there is a birth registration that is a likely contender, and for which a certificate can be requested, provided the details he submits are in agreement. Furthermore, on an earlier census (transcription details sent) the birthplace of James Murphy was transcribed as 'Turhone'. The original census image has not been seen as it the Scottish census and these are available only (as far as I am aware) on a pay to view facility. Perhaps with your knowledge of this area you could suggest to Alan where, or what, 'Turhone' might be in the West Hartlepool area. Best wishes Yvonne.

In a message dated 03/03/2009 01:13:25 GMT Standard Time, mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca writes: Does anyone know if the South Shields Gazette has been digitized, and if so, where it can be seen? TIA I'm almost certain it has not, but why not just Google for it and see what th eir web-site says? If you were hoping that eg S Tyneside Libraries might have done it, then, again, why not Google them and see whether they mention it - or use the details on their site to contact them directly and ask. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 03/03/2009 01:11:40 GMT Standard Time, elliottar@optusnet.com.au writes: James birth place is given as Hartlepool, but no registration seems to exist on FreeBMD for James in that parish around that time. I think it would be better to ignore the census birthplace until you have some other evidence for it, as they are often not correct. Also, the place of birth as given in FreeBMD (which, although these days almost complete, is not entirely so), and in the GRO indexes, as the Registration District, not the parish, as you have incorrectly stated. Hartlepool Registration District includes much more than the original Hartlepool parish, and, I would expect, much more then Hartlepool town. By the late 19th century the town of Hartlepool had grown well beyond the limits of the old Hartlepool parish anyway, and had "taken over" the neighbouring parish of Stranton, which had become known as West Hartlepool. It might help if you were to find a reference to James in some other census, as he might have told a different story about where he had been born. Geoff Nicholson

Thank you Geoff, but I had already Googled and searched their website. Their online archives started quite recently. I usually question the lists only after having tried on my own. But Google does not necessarily bring up the subscription databases e.g. Gale, so I asked.   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 3/3/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: From: NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> Subject: Re: [ENG-DURHAM] Q? South Shields Gazette digitized?? To: ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com Received: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:18 AM In a message dated 03/03/2009 01:13:25 GMT Standard Time, mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca writes: Does anyone know if the South Shields Gazette has been digitized, and if so, where it can be seen? TIA I'm almost certain it has not, but why not just Google for it and see what th eir web-site says? If you were hoping that eg S Tyneside Libraries might have done it, then, again, why not Google them and see whether they mention it - or use the details on their site to contact them directly and ask. Geoff Nicholson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/

Have sent a reply direct to Alan with census attachment. Yvonne.

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"Just to let you know that we have now scanned all English counties and have started on Wales. We anticipate that the East and North Ridings of Yorkshire, and Durham will be available by the end of March." http://blog.1911census.co.uk/tag/durham/ Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 26/02/2009 17:22:42 GMT Standard Time, pat.williams14@ukonline.co.uk writes: The following is taken from the 1911 census blog dated 6 Feb 2009-02-26 http://blog.1911census.co.uk/2009/02/ The remaining English counties should all be available on the site within two months - the best indication we can give for Wales, Islands and Military at present is summer 2009 but we hope this is more useful than saying nothing! As soon as we can give a closer indication on specific counties and a better steer on Wales, we will. _______________________________________________________________ The important word, apparently, was WERE. It seems they WERE hoping..., but are NOW hoping to have the Northern Counties online by end May... Stan Mapstone

They were not there this morning Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-DURHAM@rootsweb.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: [ENG-DURHAM] 1911 Census Nothern Counties > Apparently in a 1911 census article in 'Your Family Tree' they are > predicting the Northern Counties to be > added to www.1911Census.co.uk by end of February. > > Stan Mapstone > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DURHAM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There must be an easier way?!?!?!?! Ann ________________________________ I can't remember exactly the method I used to show my classes how to measure the approximate height of a tree by using a ruler in a simple, unscientific measurement system something like this: HEIGHT: 1. Have your partner stand at the base of the tree. 2. Back away from the tree, holding your ruler in front of you in a vertical position. Keep your arm straight. Stop when the tree and the ruler appear to be the same size. (Close one eye to help you line it up.) 3. Turn your wrist so that the ruler looks level to the ground and is in a horizontal position. Keep your arm straight. 4. Have your partner walk to the spot that you see as the top of the ruler. Be sure the base of the ruler is kept at the base of the tree. 5. Measure how many feet he or she walked. That is the tree's height. Round to the nearest foot and record your answer as the height. When you visit Scotland, therefore, and find this tallest tree, you can verify the height by yourself! Maisie ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in history. Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=lanark ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apparently in a 1911 census article in 'Your Family Tree' they are predicting the Northern Counties to be added to www.1911Census.co.uk by end of February. Stan Mapstone

The second volume on Sunderland in the Victoria County History, "Sunderland: Building a City" will be available this year, there are 46 items associated with the book shown at http://preview.tinyurl.com/cutvxm including a photograph of Gill Bridge Cemetery http://preview.tinyurl.com/aozqex Gill Bridge cemetery, or Thornton Place, Rector’s Gill, of 3.5 acres, was given by Dr. Wellesley, the then Rector in 1839. A chapel was erected in 1849 for the performance of the funeral service. It was closed in 1856. The chapel can be seen at the right hand side of the photograph. Stan Mapstone

Hi I wonder if anyone could help me locate the 1891 census for a CUTHBERT WESTGARTH D.O.B. 1862 married to a MARGARET CARTER D.O.B1869 CHILDREN ANNE D.O.B. 1884 ROBERT D.O.B 1887 CUTHBERT D.O.B. 1889 ELIZABETH D.O.B. 1892 JAMES D.O.B. 1894 HARRISON D.O.B. 1898 I have found the 1881 census with Cuthbert living with his mother Jane. Also found the 1901 with Cuthbert living with all his family. Any help to find the 1891 census would be much appreciated. Jan

Hello Heatha I am interested in the surname MANNERS, so we may have a connection. Sarah MANNERS b 1801 married John VINTON in 1831 in Heworth Her parents were Matthew MANNERS and Phyllis BROWN married in 1787 I have not been able to find any information about Matthew, who presumably was born in the 1760s. Perhaps you may have the missing link! Heather Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada hkitchin@aol.com wrote: > I thought I had better introduce myself and mention my interests. > > I am researching: > BLENKINSOPP (Heugh Hall, Bowburn); > CARTER (Haswell); > COOPER (Spennymoor, Coxhoe, Cornforth, Hartlepool); > COVENTREE (Hartlepool); > GRAHAM (Darlington, Hartlepool, Grindon, ....); > HUDSON (Coxhoe); > LOWES (Thorpe, Grindon); > MANNERS (Coundon); > MCKEAG?(Haswell, Rainton, Shotton, Moorsley, Belmont, Carrville, Quarrington); > MOHON (Coxhoe, Cornforth); > PURVIS (Hartlepool); > RAMSEY (Hurworth, Hartlepool); > ROBSON?(possibly Hartlepool - brick wall); > SMITH !! (Hartlepool); > STOTT (Gateshead, South Hetton); > SWIFT (Belmont); > VINE (Rainton); > WILSON (Rainton, Cornforth, Hartlepool); > WOOD (Hartlepool) > > Those are all the names?I have that are definitely from Co. Durham. Some more slipped in from both north and south! > > Regards, > > Heatha > >