Thanks John, re the Richardsons. I have a lot of research to do in this area. My gg grandfather and ggg gf appeared to be heavily into ships. I believe 4x g grandfather was a George Richardson, and may have been a ship builder.. This is what I have to establish definitely. I have searched Lloyds captains registers, as best I could. re John Richardson... There are two, but I think my fellow would have done his training before Lloyd's apprentice/m/mariner records started. The George you mention could have been ggg gf's brother, as he had a brother George, but I haven't done too much on him yet. Descendants, used to live in the area around Villiers St, Sunderland. I haven't even attempted to track more modern relatives yet. I should try the 1881, 1891.. My gg grandfather died here in Aust in 1867. Glenda